Rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline

  • metta

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    May 13, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    A new study by researchers at NASA and the University of California, Irvine, finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.




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    http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/may/nasa-uci-study-indicates-loss-of-west-antarctic-glaciers-appears-unstoppable/
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    May 13, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
    tell China they cant feed their billions.
    Inform Bubba Gump down the street he cant buy that 5ton pickup truck?
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    May 13, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    I can't watch videos like that anymore. They depress me for days on end. And the apathy of members here like Riddler and Southbeach depress me even more.
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    May 13, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    pellaz saidtell China they cant feed their billions.
    Inform Bubba Gump down the street he cant buy that 5ton pickup truck?


    the US is the single largest contributor to global warming with 20% since industrialization. china comes in at less than 10%.


    get the facts right.
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    May 13, 2014 3:31 PM GMT
    and here is a funny satirical peace, with some accurate quotes. kinda funny. very scarry:

    "Senator Rubio: If God Wants the Climate to Change, We Must Let It"

    http://www.newslo.com/senator-rubio/

    someone pls piss on this guy. him and the koch brothers.
  • tj85016

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    May 13, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidI read several articles in the NYT that the whole process is now irreversible even if everyone were to stop polluting the environment. The last time this happened the Earth experienced the greatest extinction in the entire geological history of our planet.


    I think that was just a cowinkydink
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    May 13, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidI read several articles in the NYT that the whole process is now irreversible even if everyone were to stop polluting the environment. The last time this happened the Earth experienced the greatest extinction in the entire geological history of our planet.

    The NYT knows the reason for the Permian Mass Extinction?
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    May 13, 2014 4:26 PM GMT
    kayakolic said
    pellaz saidtell China they cant feed their billions.
    Inform Bubba Gump down the street he cant buy that 5ton pickup truck?


    the US is the single largest contributor to global warming with 20% since industrialization. china comes in at less than 10%.


    get the facts right.

    It is maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways are always the first to blame China. We're all on this planet together.
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    May 13, 2014 4:39 PM GMT
    HottJoe said ... maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways ...


    so if China contributes 10% and the US another 20% there is 70% that comes from an undefined alien source. really guys?

    are we on a soap box or what. We are doomed, so?


    i just dont know of any American who wants to live in a 600 sq-ft house and drive a less than 1000 lb car for 3 of 7 days. There is only one guy (not me) on this forum who sorta championships a minimalistic style.

    shouldn't china want to feed cloth its billions of citizens? I think every one should aspire to own a Chevy 2014 Suburban.

    get the concept?

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    May 13, 2014 4:43 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    HottJoe said ... maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways ...


    so if China contributes 10% and the US another 20% there is 70% that comes from an undefined alien source. really guys?

    are we on a soap box or what



    So if I put 30% poison in your drink and you die, that means I'd be found not-guilty because 70% of your drink was uncontaminated? icon_confused.gif
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    May 13, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    kayakolic said
    pellaz saidtell China they cant feed their billions.
    Inform Bubba Gump down the street he cant buy that 5ton pickup truck?


    the US is the single largest contributor to global warming with 20% since industrialization. china comes in at less than 10%.


    get the facts right.

    It is maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways are always the first to blame China. We're all on this planet together.


    what is truly maddening is that Obama wants to increase taxes on carbon-based fuels (making the lives of the US lower and middle classes even more miserable) and the let banks trade carbon futures.

    Meanwhile Africa, China and India get another 300-400 million cars and 1500 more power plants
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    May 13, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    HottJoe said ... maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways ...


    so if China contributes 10% and the US another 20% there is 70% that comes from an undefined alien source. really guys?

    are we on a soap box or what. We are doomed, so what?





    no wonder the americans have such a bad rep globally.

    here's the list of the top 10 energy-related emitters between 1850 and 2008

    United States: 28.5%
    China: 9.36%
    Russian Federation: 7.95%
    Germany: 6.78%
    United Kingdom: 5.73%
    Japan: 3.88%
    France: 2.73%
    India: 2.52%
    Canada: 2.17%
    Ukraine: 2.13%

    source: World Resources Institute (WRI)
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    May 13, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
    I agree that Americans are too wasteful and take too much for granted but at the same token what do you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here expect us Americans to do, go back to living in the colonial timesicon_question.gif
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    May 13, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    no, this is what is truly maddening. tax the sun!!!! fuckin assholes. (by fuckin assholes i mean the koch brothers and all the blind idiots that support their lobbying.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html?_r=0

    tj85016 said
    HottJoe said
    kayakolic said
    pellaz saidtell China they cant feed their billions.
    Inform Bubba Gump down the street he cant buy that 5ton pickup truck?


    the US is the single largest contributor to global warming with 20% since industrialization. china comes in at less than 10%.


    get the facts right.

    It is maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways are always the first to blame China. We're all on this planet together.


    what is truly maddening is that Obama wants to increase taxes on carbon-based fuels (making the lives of the US lower and middle classes even more miserable) and the let banks trade carbon futures.

    Meanwhile Africa, China and India get another 300-400 million cars and 1500 more power plants
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    May 13, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    kayakolic said
    pellaz said
    HottJoe said ... maddening that the people in the U.S. who won't change their ways ...


    so if China contributes 10% and the US another 20% there is 70% that comes from an undefined alien source. really guys?

    are we on a soap box or what. We are doomed, so what?





    no wonder the americans have such a bad rep globally.

    here's the list of the top 10 energy-related emitters between 1850 and 2008

    United States: 28.5%
    China: 9.36%
    Russian Federation: 7.95%
    Germany: 6.78%
    United Kingdom: 5.73%
    Japan: 3.88%
    France: 2.73%
    India: 2.52%
    Canada: 2.17%
    Ukraine: 2.13%

    source: World Resources Institute (WRI)


    well maybe if Europeans and Asians didn't kill 400 million of each other over the past 200 years, they could have driven more icon_smile.gif
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    May 13, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI agree that Americans are too wasteful and take too much for granted but at the same token what do you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here expect us Americans to do, go back to living in the colonial timesicon_question.gif


    that is silly. seriously. it is not a choice between this or that. there is a lot that can be done, but because your system allows for unlimited lobbying, assholes with tons of money manipulate the masses to think and say what you just did.
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    May 13, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    well maybe if Europeans and Asians didn't kill 400 million of each other over the past 200 years, they could have driven more icon_smile.gif



    are you for real?!
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    May 13, 2014 5:21 PM GMT
    kayakolic said
    tj85016 said
    well maybe if Europeans and Asians didn't kill 400 million of each other over the past 200 years, they could have driven more icon_smile.gif



    are you for real?!


    no, it's probably more like 500-600 million over 1000 years - want to dispute that?
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    May 13, 2014 5:23 PM GMT
    [quote]roadbikeRob saidI agree that Americans are too wasteful and take too much for granted but at the same token what do you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here expect us Americans to do ... [/quote]

    use less energy?
  • metta

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    May 13, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
    The West Antarctic Collapse Is Now Unstoppable — Here's What That Will Do To The World


    1) The demise of the Thwaites glacier could raise sea level by almost two feet all on its own. The bulk of the ice breakdown won't happen for at least another 200 years, though.

    2) This kind of a sea level rise will have devastating impacts on coastal cities. In the case of a major storm, this measly 1.5 foot sea level rise combined with a storm surge during a hurricane could lead to $3.5 trillion in assets and 4.8 million people at risk in Miami


    3) "Very crudely, we are now committed to global sea level rise equivalent to a permanent Hurricane Sandy storm surge," glaciologist Richard Alley of Pennsylvania State University said in Science Magazine.
    4) Melting of the Thwaites — the "linchpin" for the ice mass around the Amundsen — will destabilize the surrounding area, undermining much of West Antarctica.

    5) This area of West Antarctica has already made significant contributions to sea level rise, releasing almost as much ice into the ocean every year as the entire Greenland ice sheet does.

    6) This will just increase — the combined melt from West Antarctica's Amundsen Sea glaciers would yield 4 feet of sea level rise.

    7) If all of the West Antarctic Ice sheet were to melt, we could expect 13 feet of sea level rise — though that will take centuries.

    8. Predictions indicate that a 12 foot sea level rise leads to 73% of Miami being flooded, 22% of New York City, and 20% of Los Angeles.

    9) These numbers also do not take into account sea level rise from non-ice sources like ocean thermal expansion — as sea water warms, it expands. From 1993 to 2010, 1.1 millimeters of sea level rise per year were from thermal expansion compared with .27 millimeters from the Antarctic Ice sheet.




    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-means-2014-5
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    roadbikeRob saidI agree that Americans are too wasteful and take too much for granted but at the same token what do you EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS on here expect us Americans to do, go back to living in the colonial timesicon_question.gif


    "Colonial times?" What exactly are you referring to when you say something like this? Pretty much everyone I know drives a car, has at least one cell phone, and is still drinking bottled water. How exactly are we in danger of returning to "Colonial times?"
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    May 13, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
    hi tj85016

    i was not going to reply to your post because i figured that there is no point in arguing someone like you. someone who debates through highly irrelevant diversions. but after a couple of drinks out, and now that i am back home.... fuckit, why not... : )

    you are talking about demography, and the fact that had the colonialists not wiped out the millions you mention, these millions could have bred and produced millions more... or something as stupid as that....

    i think you just got pissed off because i am stressing that the US, with a population of only 300 million is the actual largest contributor to climate change. where as china+india= a population of gazillions does not even make for half of that.

    what is really sad here is that your attitude represents a large chunk of americans. not all. hopefully not half (and i am an optimist) but still, enough of a negative impact.

    you need radical change, man. and this is not personal. you mentioned something about obama's tax proposal. i wont argue you because i am no economist. but i do believe that when big industry sees that it would cost too much to operate the way they are, they will seek alternatives. when enough money and resources are spent developing these cleaner alternatives, they will mainstream, become cheaper, etc...

    anyhow. whatever. thanks for your mc donald's & co. the american dream is lovely.


    tj85016 said
    kayakolic said
    tj85016 said
    well maybe if Europeans and Asians didn't kill 400 million of each other over the past 200 years, they could have driven more icon_smile.gif



    are you for real?!


    no, it's probably more like 500-600 million over 1000 years - want to dispute that?
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    May 13, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    ^^

    look fool, you add up all the energy-related emitters in Europe, UK, Western Russian and Ukraine (totaling roughly the same population and area as the US and Mexico, more or less) and you get the same 28-30% as the US.

    The US has developed more energy efficient technologies than all other nations combined.

    You hypocrites want us to lower our standard of living over a blatant lie and bullshit statistics, and we're NOT going to do it.

    In the meantime, Africa, China and India get another 300-400 million cars and 1500 more power plants. So why bother?
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    May 13, 2014 11:00 PM GMT
    : /

    i am just going to quote you in case you delete your post because you realize how stupid what you wrote sounds.

    tj85016 said^^

    look fool, you add up all the energy-related emitters in Europe, UK, Western Russian and Ukraine (totaling roughly the same population and area as the US and Mexico, more or less) and you get the same 28-30% as the US.

    The US has developed more energy efficient technologies than all other nations combined.

    You hypocrites want us to lower our standard of living over a blatant lie and bullshit statistics, and we're NOT going to do it.

    In the meantime, Africa, China and India get another 300-400 million cars and 1500 more power plants. So why bother?


    did you just reread it? it is pretty darn stupid.
  • tj85016

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    May 13, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
    ^^

    you're just dumber than I figured

    you can't compare a country like Italy, Germany or France to the US - you need to do it on a per capita basis

    I would bet a lot of money that if you measured the annualized carbon usage per capita of UK, Germany, Russia and the US over the last 200 years, the US would have emitted the least per capita