Safe gay friendly place to live

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    Jan 03, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    I've been researching gay friendly areas to live in, and have only come up with "general statistics" so I thought I would post here and see where some of you would suggest. It can't be in the south - too hot for me- or anywhere out west. I was thinking of some north- northeastern areas. As long as it is safe, affordable to live there,and has a good job market. I'm not into the bar scene or the clubs. Just looking for an area that has nice restaurants, shoppes, cultural activites and amenities close by. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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    Jan 03, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    Ann Arbor. Where the term "gay PRIDE" was coined and the first out politician was elected to office. A nice small midwestern town with a cultural center that rivals big cities.

    (OK, maybe I'm biased.)
  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 04, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    Caesar,

    Ann Arbor must have change since the last time I was there in 1990. Me and a freind use to hang around gay bar "the Flame" and he told me a bunch of gay hater have throw egg at him and calling him faggot. But even then gays have more things to do like dancing on Tuesday night (boys nite) athe the Nectarine and cruising for guys at the Flame. I remember going to a lot of barbeque in some gay couple houses and the astmosphere is really gay friendly.
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    Jan 04, 2009 1:24 AM GMT
    The Flame closed several years ago. There's a new bar (since 1994) known as "Aut" which a few years ago won Out Magazine's award for best neighborhood bar (OK, maybe I'm not remembering the magazine or the exact category). Next door is the LGB bookstore Common Language. Across the courtyard is the Sh'aut gallery. All this at Braun Court across from the Farmer's Market. If you went out for sushi, back then the Fuji restaurant (at Braun Ct) was one of the few places in town to get it (now there are about 25).

    I've been out in Ann Arbor for 20 years. Haven't ever had anything thrown at me. Probably an isolated incident.

    Heh. I was hosting BBQs in the early 1990s (on the NE corner of town).
    We'd get between 40-125 people, many whom I didn't know.
    Maybe we met back then?!
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    Jan 04, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said...and the first out politician was elected to office.


    I'm a Michigander and I didn't know that! (OK, I went to Michigan State, so I tend to ignore Ann Arbor a bit out of habit, but it's a nice town icon_smile.gif ).

    Just to document the timeline, after some googling:

    1972: Allan Spear was elected to the Minnesota Senate, not out at the time, so no prize for him. He came out in 1974.

    1973: Nancy Wechsler and Gerry De Griek, both 22 year old U of M students, were elected to the Ann Arbor city council. Neither were out at the time, so they also don't get the prize. They came out together at a city council meeting, also in 1974.

    Jan 1974: Kathy Kozachenko was elected to the Ann Arbor city council as the first openly gay person to win elected office in the United States.

    November 1974: Elaine Noble, an out lesbian, was elected to the Massachusetts House of Representatives.

    1977: Harvey Milk elected to the SF board of supervisors (city council) as an openly gay man.


    Seems like there's a common practice of citing either Harvey Milk or Elaine Noble as the "first openly gay" elected official in the US. Poor Kathy is not getting her proper props!

    Go Kathy!!!
  • MuslDrew

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    Jan 04, 2009 3:54 AM GMT
    I have no idea what the job market would be like, but I was in saugatuck, Michigan a couple of times this past summer. Can't get much friendlier.
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    Jan 04, 2009 3:55 AM GMT
    Might want to check out Providence, RI. They have a gay mayor who is the leading candidate to run for governor in 2010. It's a small city with a lot going for it. It's also only 1 hour from Boston and 3 from NYC, and you can get to each via Amtrak, bus or car. Only problem is that the unemployment rate there is high, but if you've got a job it should be pretty good.

    Boston of course is great, but you mentioned affordability as a criteria. icon_biggrin.gif
  • reliable1

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    Jan 04, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    Columbus, Ohio is decent regarding safety and affordable compared to most cities its size. It isn't necessarily that way in surrounding areas here though. Gay friendly enough in my opinion.
  • Freddo

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    Jan 04, 2009 4:32 AM GMT
    Well, Pensacola FL definitely is not. Yes, we have a couple of gay bars, and there is a gay gathering on the beach every year. However, the vast majority of the uneducated population tends to have very old fashioned views on us "queers".

    Florida in general is probably the most gay hostile state in the union. We just passed an amendment that nixes both marriage and civil unions by a big margin, we were specifically banned from adopting until about a month ago (who wants to bet that the upcoming appeal to that ruling will overturn the ruling?), cannot have children in any capacity (surrogacy is illgegal here for non-married couples), and we have no state protections against work place discrimination. Arkansas is a close second.
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    Jan 04, 2009 4:42 AM GMT
    I live in Ft. Lauderdale where you can't get much gayer. It's cool - but I miss the "city" feel of the Northeast. I lived in Pittsburgh for 18 years - really like it now more than when I lived there. Not a real huge gay scene - but I lived in a suburb - Mt. Lebanon, and never hjad more good friends - straight and gay. Real estate taxes are sky high... but a lot of companies are HG there - American Eagle, Google has an office, Carnegie Mellon, Seagate... tons of hospital and academic jobs.
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    Jan 04, 2009 4:49 AM GMT
    I hear Asheville, North Carolina is a great place to live. I remember seeing a book advertised once when I went there called "The Purple Pages." It is a listing of gay friendly businesses and real estate agencies.
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    Jan 04, 2009 4:54 AM GMT
    Northampton and Amherst of western MA. Relatively stable, education-based economy; artist mecca; gay-friendly (you can marry whomever you love here. Simply not an issue.); surrounded by farms; recreation on the Connecticut river and in the Berkshires to the west; educated, progressive-thinking people (Kerry and Obama each got 87% of the vote in Amherst); many outdoor enthusiasts. Sorta like Boulder, only the weather is better there, though you've ruled the west out. Google us! and best of luck.
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    Jan 04, 2009 4:56 AM GMT
    SouthillsmuscleFL saidI live in Ft. Lauderdale where you can't get much gayer.

    Actually you can get a lot gayer in Wilton Manors, Florida, right next to Fort Lauderdale. The Mayor and most of the city commissioners are gay, the majority of the residents are gay, and most of the businesses are gay-owned.

    Community rivalries aside, this whole area is very gay-friendly. And it's not as hot as you may think, although July & August have this humidity thing going. Consider them your beach months.

    If you can't take the heat, then consider Seattle, where I lived for 5 years. Very gay friendly, and a whole gay community lives on Capitol Hill.

    Finally, for some real cold, there's Minneapolis, which I also know quite well. Gays everywhere, and the site of this country's third largest gay pride parade, after SF and NYC. Choose the Twin Cities and I'll give you some contacts to get you started.
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    Jan 04, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    Buffyfan84 saidI hear Asheville, North Carolina is a great place to live. I remember seeing a book advertised once when I went there called "The Purple Pages." It is a listing of gay friendly businesses and real estate agencies.


    Atlanta's a lot like that. It's a pretty gay-friendly city, especially the Midtown area.
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    Jan 04, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist saidNorthampton and Amherst of western MA. Relatively stable, education-based economy; artist mecca; gay-friendly (you can marry whomever you love here. Simply not an issue.); surrounded by farms; recreation on the Connecticut river and in the Berkshires to the west; educated people; many outdoor enthusiasts. Sorta like Boulder, only the weather is better there, though you've ruled that out. Google us! and best of luck.


    I went to UMass for my first two years of undergrad (didn't like the school or the price tag for out of state students). NoHo is such a fantastic little town. If I wasn't such a city person I would move there in a heartbeat. It is absolutely beautiful year round. Even in the cold dead of winter you can't help but smile at the gorgeous landscape.
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    Jan 04, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    Southhills I know you were not into the gay scene but you must have known some nice places to go. Help a fellow Pittsburgher out please.
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:13 AM GMT
    Maine is a very gay friendly place to live. One day I was....


    Okay hahahaha I thought I could go on with that joke longer..... but I just can't anymore. I'm the only gay guy in Maine. I'm leaving as soon as possible!
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:18 AM GMT
    I don't think anyone's gonna care if you're gay unless you're hanging rainbow flags all over your front door.
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:22 AM GMT
    Ann Arbor, again.

    What other city can boast intersections such as "Gott & Hiscock" or "Hiscock & Felch"? (We've also got "Nixon & Bluett", but that's not gay themed.)
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidMaine is a very gay friendly place to live. One day I was....


    Okay hahahaha I thought I could go on with that joke longer..... but I just can't anymore. I'm the only gay guy in Maine. I'm leaving as soon as possible!


    Don't leave! I've always wanted to live in Maine (for the coast) and you were going to be my excuse! ;)-

    Well, there is always Palm Springs...but don't get your hopes up boys. PS is mostly full of guys in their 60's that spend most of their time in bars drinking all day. The majority of the younger crowd are on meth, and all the rest stay for less than two years and run back to the city they came from once they figure out that this is more of a gay retirement village, rather than a gay playground.

    I stay because I'm the prettiest.....JUST KIDDING! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 04, 2009 6:27 AM GMT
    "Safe"? Wtf is that? I'm laughing right now. Really. Haha.

    Your safety is YOUR responsibility. Not the cops'(joke). Not the law's(bigger joke).

    Sure, you can do some internet searching and go huddle with the rest of the sheep, hoping the wolves won't meander by and pillage you if that's what suits you.

    You've got VICTIM writing all over you man, you need to check that.

    I don't mean this in a mean or vicious way, but why don't people realize that this world is seriously fucked up, and no amount of wishful thinking will do a damn bit of good? You can't wish away bad shit, or hide from it, and expect a Care Bear stare to save you. Just remember Smokey the Bear's message:
    Smokey-Bear---Only-You-Tin-Sign-C1175117



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    Jan 04, 2009 6:57 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidMaine is a very gay friendly place to live. One day I was....


    Okay hahahaha I thought I could go on with that joke longer..... but I just can't anymore. I'm the only gay guy in Maine. I'm leaving as soon as possible!


    I know a gay guy in Maine. That makes at least two.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 04, 2009 11:24 AM GMT
    South Florida is very gay and for the most very tolerant of gay culture in general but that is only the Southern part
    All that tolerance and generosity is washed away by the knuckle dragging bible thumping Creationist fools who live up in the Nooks and Crannies of this State
    For true tolerance you're going to have to look up in the Northeast and in the Northwest
    Places like NY and Mass
    And Washington and Oregon
    for places to be able to live your life without needing to look over your shoulder

    But even in those places there are still occasional hate crimes

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    Jan 04, 2009 11:51 AM GMT
    I lived in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for 11 years.

    I moved to Newton, Massachusetts (which is just a few miles west of Boston) in October of 2008. I like it up here in New England despite the cold. Politically, Massachusetts is largely blue, you can marry here (my spouse and I were married here in Mass and he's on my health insurance). Also, if you're close to Boston then you have access to a great public transit system and if you like old things (history, buildings, etc.) you'd be in a perfect spot.

    A lot of things happen first in the Northeast, New York, and Washington. Medical and technology opportunities come to mind for starters.

    As matt45710 mentioned, it is more expensive up here and it is not Utopia, but it is considerably more progressive (than most of the US and Florida in particular).

    You'll never get anything close to these things anywhere in Florida.

    However, gqjock and jprichva are in Fort Lauderdale and are friendly so there's something to be said for that. icon_razz.gif
  • Delivis

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    Jan 04, 2009 12:51 PM GMT
    Toronto