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    May 16, 2014 6:15 AM GMT
    holy shhitt, 6-7-8 grade statistics and probability? no wonder so many teachers and parents are complaining about this, doesn't surprise me the Defense department, and probably its contractors along with Bill Gates was in on this 'program', I didn't learn any stats until college

    "Giving quantitative measures of center (median and/or mean) and variability (interquartile range and/or mean absolute deviation)"---that is assuming that the now 6th grader learned the difference between median and mean in 5th grade icon_rolleyes.gif

    your going to explain to a 12 year old what variability and distributions are the way engineers talk to eachother? Construct and interpret scatter plots?
    http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/SP/

    this is a bit much, maybe stats in high school only, 11-12 year olds I don't think care about this as much as getting home and riding their bikes or playing video games, worrying about body changes and puberty icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://news.yahoo.com/2-2-parents-rail-against-common-core-math-060635222.html
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    May 16, 2014 6:31 AM GMT

    "STEM crisis" is a myth icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.rit.edu/news/pdfs/CHE_Hira.pdf

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/09/common_core_either_you_re_against_this_new_push_for_academic_standards_and.html
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    May 16, 2014 6:37 AM GMT
    Stats is actually pretty easy compared to calculus and trigonometry .... I think they had stats when I was in hs, I just don't think it was as popular as algebra and trig
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    May 16, 2014 7:24 AM GMT

    Gates and company, building soldiers for the future, teaching college level concepts in grade school, omg icon_eek.gif


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    May 16, 2014 7:31 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidStats is actually pretty easy compared to calculus and trigonometry .... I think they had stats when I was in hs, I just don't think it was as popular as algebra and trig



    um, not easy for a 11 or 12 year old and or their parents who never had stats, geez, its the evil corporate design, I am really surprised that Economics isn't part of the new math program, kids should understand how the real world economy works first, by high school, know how to balance a check book and do their own taxes, there is definitely a corporate agenda here icon_twisted.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 16, 2014 8:16 AM GMT
    Its the same argument when I was a kid, some cant, wont, don't need to go to college, the year I graduation high school, only 25% of graduates went on to college, and I went to a college prep school!. The corporate agenda has contributed to the decline of the tradesmen and manufacturing by crying and lying about "STEM crisis", (which also translate into "I cant find qualified people")
    that is all this appears to be, but with this program, it forces every kid "into college" regardless of their ability or want, the kids not meant to be in college, will end up dropping out of high school, and then they will wonder why the high school drop out rate continues to rise. Its almost like these people want to create a utopia, and separate by class, those who make it and those who dont icon_rolleyes.gif


    Maybe IQ tests should be the standard and not some calculus class icon_rolleyes.gif
  • tj85016

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    May 16, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
    Get rid of the Federal Department of Education. I'm 53 and have been watching the US education system go to hell and suck up money for 30 years.

    All that matters are the damn teachers unions (yeah I'm pretty much a Democrat too).
  • Destinharbor

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    May 16, 2014 4:25 PM GMT
    I'm surprised to read these comments. Core standards was devised over a long period of time by some truly knowledgeable people as a reaction to our slipping further and further behind our fellow first world countries around the world. Ya, it looks hard compared to what we learned but we were leaning on our advantage following WW2 for 50 years and now that the rest of the world has caught up, we'd better start trying a little harder. These standards were set looking at what kids around the world are learning and at what age. Crazy to call it a sinister plot. Luckily we still have a good college system comparatively.
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    May 16, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
    The problem is the US educational system became less concerned in learning than it did in "social development" (which is not what it's supposed to do)

    We never had annual standardized tests in elementary school (Franklin Lakes and Oakland, New Jersey).

    Kids got "left back" if they didn't make it, not this social grade advancement nonsense.

    When my friend's mom (a teacher in Oakland, NJ was forced to teach a class called "Coping" to 4th graders in the mid-80's, I knew we were done as a great educational country.

    30% of the kids in college now don't even belong there (considering 30-40% of the new jobs created don't even require a college degree)
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    May 16, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
    Nothing is easy when you don't know it, that is why you take classes ... so you can learn it ... parents aren't going to know every thing their kids are learning. By the time it comes around again, they have already forgotten most of it from lack of use. That's why they have after school tutors.
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    May 17, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    NOT EVERYONE CAN DO THIS, these are child prodigy's, one or two in the US, it does not represent real life in America. Its in the best interest of the child and their parents to decide where they will fit, not forced indoctrination, with the onset of puberty earlier and earlier, add the push for college at 12 and you have totally lost the youth experience, why do we want kids to grow up so fast? icon_evil.gif


    This girl prodigy - Bill Gates and Corporate Americas wet dream fantasy, oh, they're drooling all right icon_rolleyes.gif

    In college at 12, off to start her Ph.D. at 16, Tigard's Tesca Fitzgerald blazes new intellectual territory
    http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2013/06/in_college_at_12_off_to_start.html

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    Now 16, the self-possessed teen from Tigard will graduate Sunday from Portland State University with honors in computer science
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    May 17, 2014 5:35 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidThe problem is the US educational system became less concerned in learning than it did in "social development" (which is not what it's supposed to do)

    We never had annual standardized tests in elementary school (Franklin Lakes and Oakland, New Jersey).

    Kids got "left back" if they didn't make it, not this social grade advancement nonsense.

    When my friend's mom (a teacher in Oakland, NJ was forced to teach a class called "Coping" to 4th graders in the mid-80's, I knew we were done as a great educational country.

    30% of the kids in college now don't even belong there (considering 30-40% of the new jobs created don't even require a college degree)


    I feel like you're just ranting without any substance. Social promotion has been out of favor for about 30 years. It started in the 1930s and was phased out in most places in the 1980s. America wasn't exactly struggling for global competitiveness during that time.

    Most jobs don't really require a college degree - that hasn't really changed, but now it's more an indicator of social class than anything. But I have to laugh at the assessment of college students' skills. I had to take an undergrad physics course as a graduate student to meet a missing prerequisite. The kids in that class were freshmen who already knew differential equations. The difficulty of that physics class was probably well beyond the ability of most people who rant about today's college students.
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    May 17, 2014 7:04 AM GMT
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    tj85016 saidThe problem is the US educational system became less concerned in learning than it did in "social development" (which is not what it's supposed to do)

    We never had annual standardized tests in elementary school (Franklin Lakes and Oakland, New Jersey).

    Kids got "left back" if they didn't make it, not this social grade advancement nonsense.

    When my friend's mom (a teacher in Oakland, NJ was forced to teach a class called "Coping" to 4th graders in the mid-80's, I knew we were done as a great educational country.

    30% of the kids in college now don't even belong there (considering 30-40% of the new jobs created don't even require a college degree)


    I feel like you're just ranting without any substance. Social promotion has been out of favor for about 30 years. It started in the 1930s and was phased out in most places in the 1980s. America wasn't exactly struggling for global competitiveness during that time.

    Most jobs don't really require a college degree - that hasn't really changed, but now it's more an indicator of social class than anything. But I have to laugh at the assessment of college students' skills. I had to take an undergrad physics course as a graduate student to meet a missing prerequisite. The kids in that class were freshmen who already knew differential equations. The difficulty of that physics class was probably well beyond the ability of most people who rant about today's college students.



    its really sad, many children will be left behind, im sure these young people will just say fuck it and become societies throw aways



    real life, normal, 12 year old thing

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    12 year old physics major, a fantasy corporate CEO at 18, icon_rolleyes.gif

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    and I thought these kids pageants were weird, by weird pushy parents no doubt icon_mad.gif

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    May 17, 2014 7:11 AM GMT
    Abuse is abuse, body or mind icon_evil.gif


    the making of a 12 year old college student, It’s irrefutable that child pageants cause numerous psychological and physical harms

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    http://kylajo.wordpress.com/written-pieces/repurposed/


    There are plenty of other ways in which parents can regulate their own child’s actions that are similar to pageant life, like deciding when it’s time that they can appear “mature” and “adult-like”—even “sexy”. Some parents let their children wear make-up when they become a teenager; while others buy their daughters vanities and make up kits by the time their daughters are old enough to twist off the cap of lip-gloss.
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    May 17, 2014 4:53 PM GMT
    -students are not safe in schools. Big need to have standards for social acclimation start per-school and continue through college.

    -Proper appreciation for statistics and math are essential for critical thinking. That way citizens will not be pray to every junk science Mark Regnerus theory.

    -Books are 4sure not coming back for the next generation tho most schools still have a book filled library and lo quality wifi. Example; at school i found quite a few students had their laptop tablet tethered off a single friends iPhone.
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    May 22, 2014 2:53 AM GMT

    I wouldn't push it that far icon_lol.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Florida Lawmaker Warns Common Core Will Turn Children 'Homosexual'
    http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-news-politics.html
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    May 22, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    I wouldn't push it that far ...


    true:
    educators will probably phuck it up