Minute 0:03:50 absolutely astounded me! A long establish religion that requires transgendered priests!?

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    Jan 05, 2009 1:44 AM GMT
    This BBC Documentary looks incredible to me!




    Around the World in 80 Faiths
    BBC2 21:00 Tuesday 2nd Jan 2008

    Anglican vicar Pete Owen Jones presents the definitive guide to faith on earth, with eighty rituals across six continents in the space of a year.

    Part 1/8 - Australasia and the Pacific Ring of Fire

    Pete travels to Australasia to find out how tribal faiths have survived into the 21st century. He goes into the Australian outback in search of the meaning of aboriginal dreaming, to Indonesia for the elaborate funeral of a woman who died 20 years ago; to Sydney to witness the survival of ancient persecuted faiths like the Iraqi Mandeans and witchcraft, and to the remote volcanic islands of Vanuatu in the Pacific ring of fire to unravel the mystery of the cargo cult.
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    Jan 05, 2009 6:31 AM GMT
    Wow, that is incredibly interesting!
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    Jan 05, 2009 8:18 AM GMT
    Thanks for posting !

    Shall try to follow his journey.

    Regards,R.
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    Jan 05, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    Indeed, very interesting, and sorely needed given all the religion-based bullshit we're having now. A little wider worldview goes a long way towards peace.

    Those rituals btw and the views of the Indonesian animist-muslims are very much similar to the animist-catholics of the Philippines. Sometimes even chinese traditions get mixed in with catholic rituals here. The same justification is made - one is tradition and the other is religion.

    Transgendered people have also always been holy in some cultures, though I didn't know the people of Sulawesi had a tradition of that. icon_surprised.gif The cult of Cybele and Attis in the Mediterranean for example, and the Hijra of India.

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    Jan 10, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
    I know that this would irritate Sedative, whose post is right above mine, but allow me to just define what religion is.
    Religion is mankind's attempt to find favour with God or a state of heavenly bliss after death through self-effort. In other words, trying to earn your way to Heaven by works. This includes Roman Catholicism, which teaches that nobody can be sure of his salvation while alive here on earth. As I was born a Catholic, and like Sedative, I too hated my religion of birth.
    The Bible teaches that Salvation is a free gift given to anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour, without working for it. Salvation is a free gift. If it is a gift, then it cannot be earned. I want to serve God because I am saved, not because I'm trying to earn it, as Catholicism teaches.
    The Vicar in the above video (and I actually watched more than one clip) seem to favour the view that all religions lead to God. It does not. Faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour is the only way one can be reconciled to God, which He Himself instigated to be received as a free gift, without trying to earn it.
    No doubt, Sedative (and others, perhaps) will flame me for posting this...
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    Jan 10, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
    NotThatOld, God wants you to know you're the reason he keeps having his number changed. He's asked me to tell you that he's not much of a saver, he's more of a recycler.
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    Jan 11, 2009 7:30 AM GMT
    NotThatOld saidI know that this would irritate Sedative, whose post is right above mine, but allow me to just define what religion is.
    Religion is mankind's attempt to find favour with God or a state of heavenly bliss after death through self-effort. In other words, trying to earn your way to Heaven by works. This includes Roman Catholicism, which teaches that nobody can be sure of his salvation while alive here on earth. As I was born a Catholic, and like Sedative, I too hated my religion of birth.
    The Bible teaches that Salvation is a free gift given to anyone who has faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour, without working for it. Salvation is a free gift. If it is a gift, then it cannot be earned. I want to serve God because I am saved, not because I'm trying to earn it, as Catholicism teaches.
    The Vicar in the above video (and I actually watched more than one clip) seem to favour the view that all religions lead to God. It does not. Faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour is the only way one can be reconciled to God, which He Himself instigated to be received as a free gift, without trying to earn it.
    No doubt, Sedative (and others, perhaps) will flame me for posting this...


    Yes, it irritates me. If your religion has no room for tolerance, this world has no room for your religion.

    Other religions may seem ridiculous to you, but YOUR religion is also just as ridiculous to them.

    That kind of thinking (The 'only my way is right, everyone else is destined for hell and I shall help them get there sooner' kind of insanity) has led to enough wars already. Thankfully that time is waning. When your religion becomes something personal and not something you're always driven to push into others regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof, that's the time I start respecting your religion. Until then, it'll be nothing more than another form of bigotry to me. Good day.