The case for reparations

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    May 23, 2014 1:57 AM GMT
    Wow.

    A very lengthy read, but very powerful

    Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/#x-there-will-be-no-reparations-from-germany
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    May 23, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    Feel free to donate your money. Then donate your home to the nearest indian tribe, since the land used to be theirs.
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    May 23, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
    Your fatalism is not very conducive to an open discussion on the topic.

    The fact that the topic of reparations does not even get officially studied, shows that everyone in government is too scared of the possible results.
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    May 23, 2014 3:14 PM GMT
    I dunno.

    I'm not one of those people who doesn't think racism exists - I know it does, and it affects people in many subtle and varied ways.

    I'm all for an ongoing national discussion about racism.

    Would I want to open my own personal checkbook for a non-need focused government giveaway? No.
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    May 23, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    I watched a debate about this on a sunday morning debate show and I agree slavery was awful but I do not want to have to pay financially for crimes that were done WAY before I was born just because I'm white.

    I think instead of financial reparations there should be government run leadership schemes to empower black men and women and also maybe there should be more peer mentoring from successful black people to help the younger generations to be successful in business, banking, politics etc.
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    May 23, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
    Haven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.
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    May 23, 2014 4:13 PM GMT
    The notion of reparations for past history is in my view ridiculous. Just to be fair, we would d have the Russians making reparations to all the Baltic sates; the Danes to the Norwegians, The Aztecs to the other surviving Indian tribes of central America; the Incas making reparations to the other tribes of South America; the Spanish and the Portuguese making reparations to half the world; the Catholic church making reparations to nearly the entire world; the Italians (descendants of the Romans) making reparations to all of Europe, the mideast, and northern Africans. And western African countries joining with the USA in making reparations for all their own inhabitants they kidnapped and sold into slavery. That's just the beginning of the list. Just imagine the greatest bureaucracy the world has ever known, just to keep track of all these reparations. Full employment for the entire world. Any other bright ideas?
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    May 23, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidHaven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.


    So a serial killer is forgivable if there is many other serial killers ?

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    May 23, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidHaven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.

    That's why there is a movement for reparations in The UK too.
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    May 23, 2014 4:17 PM GMT
    minox said
    tj85016 saidHaven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.


    So a serial killer is forgivable if there is many other serial killers ?



    No, I'm say good luck suing 5-6 countries
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    May 23, 2014 4:18 PM GMT
    Danny_boy93 said
    tj85016 saidHaven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.

    That's why there is a movement for reparations in The UK too.


    lol the England would owe reparations for 1/2 of Africa, Burma, India, China, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and the US just for starters
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    May 23, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    Danny_boy93 saidI watched a debate about this on a sunday morning debate show and I agree slavery was awful but I do not want to have to pay financially for crimes that were done WAY before I was born just because I'm white.


    You are correct, you're not accountable for other people actions.

    The moral problem is that, as white westerner, I enjoy a good lifestyle out of nation wealth which was, in part, build using slave labor and slave trade.

    I'm richer today because money was made out of slavery.

  • HottJoe

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    May 23, 2014 4:22 PM GMT
    I think there should be reparations. The U.S. economy was built on the backs of slaves who never got paid. It's simple, and it's just.

    It's naïve of white people to think they haven't benefited from the racism in our culture, or that we're not culpable for the ongoing racism in western society. The evidence is everywhere, and it's overwhelming. I say we do whatever it takes to fix the problem. It's the only decent thing left to do in a world that's suffering great consequences from our actions.

    Is it risky? Is it difficult? Sure is! But at least we're not being legally kidnapped by the feds, whipped, treated as possessions, raped, and worked to death.

    #BlackPower
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    May 23, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    minox said
    Danny_boy93 saidI watched a debate about this on a sunday morning debate show and I agree slavery was awful but I do not want to have to pay financially for crimes that were done WAY before I was born just because I'm white.


    You are correct, you're not accountable for other people actions.

    The moral problem is that, as white westerner, I enjoy a good lifestyle out of nation wealth which was, in part, build using slave labor and slave trade.

    I'm richer today because money was made out of slavery.



    oh good, let's begin with the Romans, Egyptians and Greeks then lol

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    May 23, 2014 4:28 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    minox said
    tj85016 saidHaven't we been down this road 100 times? The English, Dutch, French and Spanish would be just as culpable.


    So a serial killer is forgivable if there is many other serial killers ?



    No, I'm say good luck suing 5-6 countries


    'would be' ? So you think there is a doubt about our collective responsibility ? I don't.

    The question is more about the need for reparation by people who did nothing to people who did not suffer slavery.

    But to consider there is no problem if there is no practical way to demand reparation is despicable.
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    May 23, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    minox said
    Danny_boy93 saidI watched a debate about this on a sunday morning debate show and I agree slavery was awful but I do not want to have to pay financially for crimes that were done WAY before I was born just because I'm white.


    You are correct, you're not accountable for other people actions.

    The moral problem is that, as white westerner, I enjoy a good lifestyle out of nation wealth which was, in part, build using slave labor and slave trade.

    I'm richer today because money was made out of slavery.



    oh good, let's begin with the Romans, Egyptians and Greeks then lol



    Lol ? just curious : are you amoral or immoral ? I wonder.
  • tj85016

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    May 23, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
    ^^

    Moral, but the entire notion of "reparations" only in the US is just nonsense, hence the "lol"
  • tazzari

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    May 23, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    I haven't read the article yet, but I suspect that the intent is less for actual financial reparations, than to promote discussion of the racism that still exists in America. Given that a lot of people are "tired of it," an out-there article in a leading journal might just jolt some into a useful discussion.
  • mke_bt

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    May 23, 2014 8:30 PM GMT

    This is going to sound incredibly reactionary but here's an idea (not one I agree with).

    How about the government makes a one time reparations payment and then cuts the social welfare safety net?
  • HottJoe

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    May 23, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
    mke_bt said
    This is going to sound incredibly reactionary but here's an idea (not one I agree with).

    How about the government makes a one time reparations payment and then cuts the social welfare safety net?

    I'm glad you don't agree with it, because it's a really short-sighted idea.
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    May 23, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    bhp91126 saidYour fatalism is not very conducive to an open discussion on the topic.

    The fact that the topic of reparations does not even get officially studied, shows that everyone in government is too scared of the possible results.


    I can't be held responsible for the actions of previous generations of americans any more than I can take credit for their achievements. It's THAT simple.
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    May 23, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge saidThe notion of reparations for past history is in my view ridiculous. Just to be fair, we would d have the Russians making reparations to all the Baltic sates; the Danes to the Norwegians, The Aztecs to the other surviving Indian tribes of central America; the Incas making reparations to the other tribes of South America; the Spanish and the Portuguese making reparations to half the world; the Catholic church making reparations to nearly the entire world; the Italians (descendants of the Romans) making reparations to all of Europe, the mideast, and northern Africans. And western African countries joining with the USA in making reparations for all their own inhabitants they kidnapped and sold into slavery. That's just the beginning of the list. Just imagine the greatest bureaucracy the world has ever known, just to keep track of all these reparations. Full employment for the entire world. Any other bright ideas?


    But these are ... drum roll ... African-Americans. You should be bowing before them to honor their greatness. icon_wink.gif
  • HottJoe

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    May 23, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
    I think it's hard for many of us to imagine what it would be like to be a slave (I recommend the book 12 Years a Slave), but what's also disturbing and difficult to understand is that it was done for money. MONEY! Imagine how pathetic that sounds.... So, to hear white people say they'll do anything to make amends BUT part with their money makes me wonder if anyone has leaned anything from the lessons of history.icon_sad.gif
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    May 24, 2014 2:06 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidI think it's hard for many of us to imagine what it would be like to be a slave (I recommend the book 12 Years a Slave), but what's also disturbing and difficult to understand is that it was done for money. MONEY! Imagine how pathetic that sounds.... So, to hear white people say they'll do anything to make amends BUT part with their money makes me wonder if anyone has leaned anything from the lessons of history.icon_sad.gif



    Feel free to donate your money and home.
  • AMoonHawk

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    May 24, 2014 2:12 AM GMT
    reparations to who .... dead people?