The Most Brilliant Essay in Philosophical Jurisprudence of the Modern Era: Eben Moglen on Snowdon, Slavery, the Net, and the Democratic State.

  • WrestlerBoy

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    May 28, 2014 1:46 AM GMT
    Yes, I realize it is a very (VERY) long essay, but here it is, in all its glory:

    Metta, link help??

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/27/-sp-privacy-under-attack-nsa-files-revealed-new-threats-democracy

  • creature

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    May 28, 2014 2:03 AM GMT
    Not Metta, but here you go:

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/27/-sp-privacy-under-attack-nsa-files-revealed-new-threats-democracy
  • WrestlerBoy

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    May 28, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    Thank you! I don't know why that always fucks up on me!
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    May 28, 2014 4:26 AM GMT
    For those who've read that article and think you're hiding because you didn't reply to this thread, rest assured that RJ, thegaurdian, Facebook, Twitter, Google+, and the US govt knows you read it, how long you spent on the page, and where you were surfing before and after.

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  • WrestlerBoy

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    May 28, 2014 10:55 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidFor those who've read that article and think you're hiding because you didn't reply to this thread, rest assured that RJ, thegaurdian, Facebook, Twitter, Google+, and the US govt knows you read it, how long you spent on the page, and where you were surfing before and after.

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    Absolutely, clearly, and now undeniably correct.
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    May 29, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    Very interesting read. 2 memes come to mind

    We're drowning in data, thirsting for knowledge
    Ever since the Snowden scandal broke I always thought about the listeners: "have fun but don't choke"

    If you're getting stuff for free, you're not a customer, you're the product.
    Yes, here on RJ, on Facebook, hotmail etc. I'm the product. Somebody wants to know what porn I watch, have fun... For all the data mining that is done with my online activities, the provided advertising can be hilariously off the mark. Seen any straight Cougar ads lately?icon_lol.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    May 29, 2014 12:57 PM GMT
    Yes, and the legal argument to "consent" here is what has always been the most interesting for me, and he hits on it in the essay.

    We all know how it goes: "Well, once you click "I agree" to the Terms & Conditions, you're basically fucked." Well, are you? What IF the Terms & Conditions said, "By agreeing below, you are also agreeing to RJ (say) being allowed to physically break into your house at any hour of the day or night."

    Well, that won't work, "Consent to Terms & Conditions" or not. Why? Because breaking and entering is illegal, and you cannot "consent" to someone else's breaking the law, as the law trumps their "Terms & Conditions".

    So, what we need are laws that require sites specifically ASK for our consent on SPECIFIC data collection (and this, too, forms a perfect legal complement to our supposed prohibition on "general" warrants under the Fourth Amendment):

    "By agreeing to our Terms & Conditions below, you agree that we can:
    a) Mine ALL of your data that we can get our hands on. Yes/No?
    b) Use your data to re-sell to third parties for the purposes of.. Yes/No?
    c) USE none of your data, at all. Yes/No?
    .. and so on.

    That would leave US with a lot more privacy (the combination of secrecy, anonymity, and autonomy, as he brilliantly points out), but where would that leave FB, Yahoo, Google, and RJ?