ANIMAL ABUSE: Another Unfortunate Story

  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Jan 06, 2009 1:46 PM GMT
    I was talking on the phone yesterday afternoon with a new gay friend of mine (really an acquaintance at this point) and he was relating his trip to Kansas from Arkansas over the New Years weekend. He and his mother then traveled from Wichita out to the Dodge City area to see his sister and her family for gift exchange purposes.

    He explained that he enjoyed the time with his mother, but how his despised his brother in law. He described him as a "slob", a "raging drunk"
    kind of guy, overweight (gut exposed, hanging out under his shirt), who
    abused his sister and exposing the children to events kids shouldn't see.

    Apparently due to an unrelated disagreement with my friend's sister, the drunk took the family's german shepherd out and shot him quite a number of times with a gun to prove some sort of point recently. The argument had nothing to do with the dog and the shepherd was considered a well behaved animal. I was more than sick when I heard about this, I was angry. I want to report the SOB.

    The friend then told me that his sister bought the kids a new puppy to make up for the loss..... a beagle puppy.... now I'm really sick.

    icon_twisted.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
    WOW! I would have reported him to SPCA or what ever agency they have there to protect animals and then to children services that is a form of child abuse and at the very lease both parents should be investigated! You're right this sick! 8-) WOW!icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 3:23 PM GMT
    That MF needs to be the one shot.icon_twisted.gif
  • MuslDrew

    Posts: 463

    Jan 06, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    Somebody needs to report him. The puppy will eventually get shot.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
    I'm sick to my stomach now..... What waste of DNA!!!!!!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
    I'm sorry to say this, but his sister is stupid. Sounds like a codependency problem with a dangerous man. Divorce and a restraining order is what I suggest. I'm definitely worried about the kids more. Shooting the dog in a fit of rage? WTF, the guy is a borderline psychopath, if he isn't already one.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    Sedative saidI'm sorry to say this, but his sister is stupid. Sounds like a codependency problem with a dangerous man. Divorce and a restraining order is what I suggest. I'm definitely worried about the kids more. Shooting the dog in a fit of rage? WTF, the guy is a borderline psychopath, if he isn't already one.


    Very true and classic examples of disfuntion. Get the name of the SOB and family and report report report. Get it documented. Also call CFS Wichita and file a report. It is common knowledge that unwarranted animal abuse mimic/masks the high risk of child abuse as well. Don't just be sick report it and leave a paper trail. Law enforcement is likely to act if more info is there to warrant an action even if its a "routine" pass by. Don't delay, those children and animals are endangered.
  • cowboyupnorth

    Posts: 264

    Jan 06, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
    Sedative saidI'm sorry to say this, but his sister is stupid. Sounds like a codependency problem with a dangerous man. Divorce and a restraining order is what I suggest. I'm definitely worried about the kids more. Shooting the dog in a fit of rage? WTF, the guy is a borderline psychopath, if he isn't already one.


    Blaming the victim is what is stupid and promotes shame. This woman is in a dangerous situation and us blaming her rather than the perpetrator is misguided judgment. I know you mean well but every action, inaction and statement we make advances or impedes positive decision making. Like it or not we all constitute social forces that produce therapeutic or antitherapeutic results.

    HndsmKansan has every right to be very concerned for his friends sister and her children. The man is acting in very lethal ways. However just leaving is not always so simple. Here are some facts about intimate partner violence;

    1/2 of all murders of wives take place within two months of a separation

    up to 75% of domestic homicides occur after the relationship is over

    Emotional and economic hardship may also deter a women from leaving.

    Annually 4 million reported assaults and battering.

    4 thousand deaths for domestic violence in the US, (95%) females.

    Number one cause of death or injury for females ages 14 to 44

    A batterer will destroy a victims self confidence and cut off resources so she feels she can not leave.

    Some Resources;

    . . services for victims of domestic violence including information on finding an advocate or a shelter, contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) or 1-800-787-3224 (TTY).

    . . . your state domestic violence coalition, click here http://www.bwjp.org/services_statecoalitions.htm. State coalition websites can often provide lists of local resources and information on state domestic violence statutes.

    . . . stalking, contact the Stalking Resource Center or 1-800-FYI-CALL.

    . . . services for victims of sexual assault, contact the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network or 1.800.656.HOPE.

    . . . finding an attorney, contact:

    *

    Your state domestic violence coalition
    Kansas Coalition Against Sexual and Domestic Violence
    Sandra Barnett
    634 SW Harrison St. Topeka, KS 66603
    (P) 785-232-9784 (F) 785-266-1874 (E) coalition@kcsdv.org(click here)
    *

    Your state bar (Attorney's Association) (click here) http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/findlegalhelp/home.cfm
    *

    If you are a battered woman and need help with your legal defense, contact the BWJP Defense Office at 1-800-903-0111, ext. 3 or 215-351-0010

    . . . resources for domestic violence-related health issues, contact the National Health Resource Center on Domestic Violence or (88icon_cool.gif Rx-ABUSE.

    If I were HndsmKansan friend I would learn all I could about domestic violence so I could talk to my sister in a non shaming way, and say things that empower her and promote safety. If your friend wants to call or e-mail me I would be happy to talk with him. PVT me if you want my contact information. The last thing we want to see is this young women on the news and from what you have told us he appears lethal. Best of luck

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 5:52 PM GMT
    Good work cowboyupnorth. Im not familiar with that section of the country.
    Good to know that you were able to list the necessary resources and support. Kudos.
  • cowboyupnorth

    Posts: 264

    Jan 06, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    smthbear808 saidGood work cowboyupnorth. Im not familiar with that section of the country.
    Good to know that you were able to list the necessary resources and support. Kudos.


    I just got back from doing a month of training on 4 of your Islands in Hawaii. I train investigators on how to collect evidence and how to talk to those victimized by violence, then prospectors on how to convict with said evidence, and finally probation officers on how to assess lethality and how to look at collateral consequences when sentencing.

    It is very complicated and often the system hinders victims and children. We are in the proses of changing our way of collecting evidence and re-evaluating our priority's. The bottom line is;
    “The primary responsibility of prosecution is to see that justice is accomplished.”
    §1.1 NDAA National Prosecution Standards, 2nd Ed., 1991

    So we have to ask ourselves if Justice has been done if;

    The system fails to stay involved after conviction?

    The consequences for the victim are harsher than those given to the defendant?

    We offer the victim false hope?

    We taught the victim to never trust us again?

    I can get a man to report to probation, attend classes and pay fees but that does not count if he is still a terrorist at home. I have to make it safe for the victim to be able to inform me and that's a proses.

    You have some great people there in Hawaii working on this issue. I was inspired by what I saw happening.



  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
    Thank you and yes things are changing.
    Last year alone we've had quite a few murders where the boyfriend
    recently hunts down the ex- girl friend and executes her in public
    in the street. Several people come to her aid in the street but along
    with crack he succeeded in his deathly tyraid on her. It hit home to many residents of Honolulu in many ways.

    Since then the public has been a little more active and a part of the training the public got was the correlation between pet/animal abuse and neglect with in home abuse and neglect of the children, spouse and elderly. Its pretty on key when identifying the abuse to both.

    I applaud what you do in the justice system and again thank you for the information and willingness to be of support. aloha.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    cowboyupnorth said
    Sedative saidI'm sorry to say this, but his sister is stupid. Sounds like a codependency problem with a dangerous man. Divorce and a restraining order is what I suggest. I'm definitely worried about the kids more. Shooting the dog in a fit of rage? WTF, the guy is a borderline psychopath, if he isn't already one.


    Blaming the victim is what is stupid and promotes shame. This woman is in a dangerous situation and us blaming her rather than the perpetrator is misguided judgment. I know you mean well but every action, inaction and statement we make advances or impedes positive decision making. Like it or not we all constitute social forces that produce therapeutic or antitherapeutic results.

    HndsmKansan has every right to be very concerned for his friends sister and her children. The man is acting in very lethal ways. However just leaving is not always so simple. Here are some facts about intimate partner violence;

    1/2 of all murders of wives take place within two months of a separation

    up to 75% of domestic homicides occur after the relationship is over

    Emotional and economic hardship may also deter a women from leaving.



    Sorry. icon_redface.gif I meant to say that if his sister's husband is doing this and neither he nor his mother, nor his sister herself is doing anything about it (and with kids at risk) then something definitely is wrong. Why isn't he or their mother helping? May I hazard a guess that they don't even admit that the guy is dangerous and not merely 'despicable'?

    I know about these kinds of domineering men murdering their wives when they left them (the recent Santa Claus shooting is an example of that) which is why I also suggested a restraining order. I did not mean to shame her nor blame her, sorry about that, icon_redface.gif but something should already have been done when that dog was shot. This is NOT merely animal abuse.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 6:54 PM GMT
    Having grown up in the south mostly I must say that that is typical behaviour of a redneck, they have this mindset that animals are replaceable and expendable. I'd rather see a kid get the shit beat out of it than see an animal abused like that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
    luvjunkie saidHaving grown up in the south mostly I must say that that is typical behaviour of a redneck, they have this mindset that animals are replaceable and expendable. I'd rather see a kid get the shit beat out of it than see an animal abused like that.


    I'm not even going to go there.icon_confused.gif
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Jan 06, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
    This is a dangerous man ....
    This is EXACTLY the kind of trash and I do mean that is the most derogatory terms possible
    that will abuse people sexually and physically
    Animal abuse is just a stepping stone for trash like him
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 06, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    This guy's sure kicking goals for the right to bear arms. If he'd've had to stab the dog to death, I wonder if the family would have been so passive about it all.
  • cowboyupnorth

    Posts: 264

    Jan 07, 2009 4:59 AM GMT
    luvjunkie saidHaving grown up in the south mostly I must say that that is typical behaviour of a redneck, they have this mindset that animals are replaceable and expendable. I'd rather see a kid get the shit beat out of it than see an animal abused like that.


    Your comments are disturbing. Most "rednecks" or southerners as you claim, do not kill their animals to intimidate or punish someone. Also your comments about the kid being beaten rather than an animal abused is outlandish. I do not agree with animal abuse but, it is still quite different than abuse of another human being, your acceptance of violence against women and children should be examined.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 07, 2009 5:05 AM GMT
    People like that need to be shot.

    I can just picture the fucker in my head now and it angers me..

    Poor dog icon_cry.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 07, 2009 5:06 AM GMT
    Smithbear is right. There is a high correlation between those that hurt or kill animals and those that abuse kids (and others).

    If possible, I would try to get this tragic event reported somehow.
    I can totally see why this story from your new acquaintance made you feel sick, HndsmKansan
  • cowboyupnorth

    Posts: 264

    Jan 07, 2009 5:09 AM GMT
    Sedative said




    Sorry. icon_redface.gif I meant to say that if his sister's husband is doing this and neither he nor his mother, nor his sister herself is doing anything about it (and with kids at risk) then something definitely is wrong. Why isn't he or their mother helping? May I hazard a guess that they don't even admit that the guy is dangerous and not merely 'despicable'?

    I know about these kinds of domineering men murdering their wives when they left them (the recent Santa Claus shooting is an example of that) which is why I also suggested a restraining order. I did not mean to shame her nor blame her, sorry about that, icon_redface.gif but something should already have been done when that dog was shot. This is NOT merely animal abuse.


    I thought you had good intentions, and I am sorry if I came of too hard. I try to be cognizant of how I come off when talking about victims of crime. It is too easy to blame the victim or come off as judgmental. Things are never as cut and dry as they appear. Sometimes restraining orders set men off and sometimes admitting the man you love is dangerous is psychologically too frightening. We should never tell someone what they should do, but rather let them know of our concerns and support.
  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Jan 07, 2009 1:04 PM GMT
    I appreciate the input. Hearing about it all was pretty disturbing and he and I talked about it again last night.... I know he is very concerned.
  • wolfgang57

    Posts: 6

    Jan 07, 2009 2:05 PM GMT
    I just do not understand people who can abuse any animal. Just pisses me off to no end. This guy needs to have his ass kicked 8 ways to Sunday.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jan 08, 2009 4:23 AM GMT
    Why are you so outraged about killing a dog and not about the abuse of the guy's wife and children? It's too bad he shot the dog, but the real tragedy is the actual human beings he made suffer.
    It seems so much easier to care about animals than people these days.