Prisons Turning Inmates Into Intellectuals

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    Jun 02, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
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    NYT: Otisville Correctional Facility is a medium-security state prison, 79 miles northwest of Manhattan, on the site of a former tuberculosis sanitarium — with an equalizing element of portent, near the town of Mount Hope. Many of its prisoners are serving life sentences; they are men whom time, as one guard put it “has mellowed out.” Nearby, but unrelated, is the Otisville federal prison, named by Forbes Magazine as one of America’s “cushiest” incarcerators. Observers have likened it to a college, which is not an analogy you would easily draw at the state prison, where inmates rely largely on encyclopedias for the retrieval of information, in volumes that look as if they were last current when the nation was debating the merits of Dan Quayle.

    Still, an intellectual firmament has taken hold. On a recent afternoon, 10 men gathered under the tutelage of Baz Dreisinger, a professor of English at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, to share some of their writing and to talk about the Brazilian philosopher Paulo Freire’s “Pedagogy of the Oppressed.” One of the students, Theron Smith, serving time on a second-degree murder conviction, noted that Freire’s work called to mind Hegel and the theory of double consciousness. Mr. Smith is an avid consumer of sociological texts; his longtime friend Rowland Davis, next to him in class that day, has immersed himself in theology. Another student had been creating an elaborately illustrated graphic novel.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/nyregion/prison-program-turns-inmates-into-intellectuals.html?hp&_r=0
  • tj85016

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    Jun 02, 2014 1:08 AM GMT
    why not, they have nothing better to do

    maybe they can figure out a better way to administer lethal injections
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    Jun 02, 2014 1:18 AM GMT
    While I do agree with rehabilitation I do get sick of the fact that in the UK prisoners have a wider range of training and qualifications available to them (city and guilds qualifications up to level 8 etc) and it's all free to them paid out of my taxes. If I want to retrain though I have to pay through my nose for it.
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    Jun 02, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    Yes ... critical teaching of the oppressed. Perhaps they will lead the next riot or revolution when released from prison and add to their resume of crimes. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 02, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
    Danny_boy93 saidWhile I do agree with rehabilitation I do get sick of the fact that in the UK prisoners have a wider range of training and qualifications available to them (city and guilds qualifications up to level 8 etc) and it's all free to them paid out of my taxes. If I want to retrain though I have to pay through my nose for it.

    In exchange for which you get to go out when you want, eat what you want at home or in a restaurant, go to the movies, date, fuck, sleep, talk on the phone, go on the internet, all without restriction.
    Still think you got the short end of the stick?
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    Jun 02, 2014 4:52 AM GMT
    Sharkspeare said
    Danny_boy93 saidWhile I do agree with rehabilitation I do get sick of the fact that in the UK prisoners have a wider range of training and qualifications available to them (city and guilds qualifications up to level 8 etc) and it's all free to them paid out of my taxes. If I want to retrain though I have to pay through my nose for it.

    In exchange for which you get to go out when you want, eat what you want at home or in a restaurant, go to the movies, date, fuck, sleep, talk on the phone, go on the internet, all without restriction.
    Still think you got the short end of the stick?


    I think the victim (and their family) of some inmate doing 20-25 for murder 2 got the short end of the stick
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    Jun 02, 2014 5:58 AM GMT
    Does this mean they're qualified to work in politics now?
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    Jun 02, 2014 6:01 AM GMT
    Hmmm...so prisoners get free health care, free room and board, free meals, and now free education.

    No wonder there are so many repeat offenders.
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    Jun 02, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
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    Sharkspeare said
    Danny_boy93 saidWhile I do agree with rehabilitation I do get sick of the fact that in the UK prisoners have a wider range of training and qualifications available to them (city and guilds qualifications up to level 8 etc) and it's all free to them paid out of my taxes. If I want to retrain though I have to pay through my nose for it.

    In exchange for which you get to go out when you want, eat what you want at home or in a restaurant, go to the movies, date, fuck, sleep, talk on the phone, go on the internet, all without restriction.
    Still think you got the short end of the stick?


    I think the victim (and their family) of some inmate doing 20-25 for murder 2 got the short end of the stick

    True, but not apposite. Keeping inmates from learning things isn't going to bring victims back.