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    Jun 05, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    Catholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
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    Jun 05, 2014 11:53 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.
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    Jun 06, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.

    They'd have to be lapsed Catholics, or Catholics who don't practice what they preach. The Catholic Church has a central leadership, which does not permit gay marriage. There have been no gay marriages in Catholic Churches that I'm aware of, and it would be an act of rebellion for a Catholic priest to perform a same sex marriage. Other denominations have different rules.

    I went to Catholic school for 9 years and although they didn't outright condemn gay people, they believed that any and all sex outside of marriage was a sin, and since they don't support gay marriage they considered all gay sex a sin. Their view was that it was OK to be gay, as long as you don't act on it... In other words, for gay people, same sex love and marriage is strictly forbidden.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.

    They'd have to be lapsed Catholics, or Catholics who don't practice what they preach.
    Just like gay Muslims, gay Hindu's, gay Buddhists, gay Christians, gay Mormons, and gay any-other-older-religion.

    Up until recent years, ALL religions preached against homosexuality.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:52 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe said
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.

    They'd have to be lapsed Catholics, or Catholics who don't practice what they preach.
    Just like gay Muslims, gay Hindu's, gay Buddhists, gay Christians, gay Mormons, and gay any-other-older-religion.

    Up until recent years, ALL religions preached against homosexuality.

    True. But there are gay Christians who recognize all marriages (gay and straight) as holy, so I think those are the Christians I support on RJ.

    Episcopalians support gay marriage. Catholics don't. There's really no need for us to defend the people who have made us feel like outcasts. I don't really attack them either. I just think they're lost and in the dark.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:55 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.

    They'd have to be lapsed Catholics, or Catholics who don't practice what they preach.
    Just like gay Muslims, gay Hindu's, gay Buddhists, gay Christians, gay Mormons, and gay any-other-older-religion.

    Up until recent years, ALL religions preached against homosexuality.

    True. But there are gay Christians who recognize all marriages (gay and straight) as holy, so I think those are the Christians I support on RJ.

    Episcopalians support gay marriage. Catholics don't. There's really no need for us to defend the people who have made us feel like outcasts. I don't really attack them either. I just think they're lost and in the dark.
    If it weren't for people in those religions who went against the grain, they'd still be non-supportive of us. I'm glad there are Catholics who support us. There needs to be more of them. That's the only way change is made. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 06, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe said
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe said
    paulflexes said
    HottJoe saidCatholics reject gay marriage. They compare gay marriage to abortion. Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians? You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.
    There are also Catholics who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    While I could easily say lots of bad things about Catholics, it's not ALL Catholics I have a problem with, so grouping them as a whole is undeserving.

    They'd have to be lapsed Catholics, or Catholics who don't practice what they preach.
    Just like gay Muslims, gay Hindu's, gay Buddhists, gay Christians, gay Mormons, and gay any-other-older-religion.

    Up until recent years, ALL religions preached against homosexuality.

    True. But there are gay Christians who recognize all marriages (gay and straight) as holy, so I think those are the Christians I support on RJ.

    Episcopalians support gay marriage. Catholics don't. There's really no need for us to defend the people who have made us feel like outcasts. I don't really attack them either. I just think they're lost and in the dark.
    If it weren't for people in those religions who went against the grain, they'd still be non-supportive of us. I'm glad there are Catholics who support us. There needs to be more of them. That's the only way change is made. icon_wink.gif

    Catholics are still against divorce, female priests, and masturbation. I remember my best friend's father growing up lecturing him on how to prevent masturbation. It's really crazy what some of them think.

    I see your point. The same is said about the GOP. Trouble is, the gay people who participate in the GOP end up voting against gay rights by association. And gay Catholics give money and support to a church that actively plays anti gay politics.

    If you go to church every Sunday and give 10% of your income to the church, then you should make sure that church isn't using your money to persecute you.
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    Jun 06, 2014 9:35 PM GMT
    HottJoe: Catholics reject gay marriage.

    "In March 2011, The Post-ABC News poll asked about support of same-sex marriage. An astounding 63 percent of white Catholics thought it should be legal. That same month a poll from Public Religion Research Institute revealed that Catholics were more supportive of LGBT issues than the general population."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/02/11/catholics-still-lead-way-on-gay-marriage/

    If you mean to say that the official position of the Catholic Church is that marriage is between one man and one woman, fine.

    Conservatives reject the trendy politicized redefinition of a fundamental 3000-plus-year-old institution, imposed by thugs in black robes.

    HottJoe: They compare gay marriage to abortion.

    Unless you can offer any evidence, this sounds like you've gone off the deep end again, sort of like the time you called Republicans "criminals".

    HottJoe: Why not promote the Christians who see all marriages as a holy union, like Episcopalians?

    I'm a Catholic. The Episcopal Church has been in significant decline for over a decade according to the evidence I've seen.

    This is in line with the basic conservative idea that liberalism corrupts just about every institution it touches.

    HottJoe: You just come off as cruel by promoting a religion that treats gay people like we are outcasts, especially since there are Christians who do not call us sinners simply based on who we love and marry.

    Judeo-Christian societies generally offer the highest standards of freedom, prosperity, individual liberty, and tolerance known to man.

    If you want to see "cruel", maybe you should try pursuing a militant gay agenda in a communist/atheist or Islamic society.

    The way "gay marriage" is being forced on people, by little dictators in black robes, is "cruel" because it undermines a civil, self-governing society, in my opinion.

    "Gay marriage" is in all likelihood part of the Left's agenda to dissolve the institution of marriage altogether. Speaking on behalf of children who need a biological father and mother, I think that's "cruel."

    Last but not least, to the extent that the militant gay movement supports the Obama regime -- the most corrupt, lying, lawless, unconstitutional, and destructive regime in U.S. history -- it is "cruel", because it is helping to destroy a civil, free, prosperous society, in my opinion.

    In my view, the flirtation of the militant gay movement with Obama and his accomplices is like gleefully dining at the Captain's table...on the Titanic.
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    Jun 07, 2014 3:14 PM GMT
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    The first two or so minutes, our attention is on the crucifixion of Jesus.

    For one who has mastered and continue to master the history of first century Palestine, including the First Jewish-Roman War, I am reminded of the one who ostensibly was crucified for the sins of the world while many more (and he) were crucified for various degrees of revolt against the Roman Empire.

    When I see the Mother and Child, I remember the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, when a mother, Mary, partook of her child's body and offered to the destroyers her child's body to eat. And, during this mass, the congregation will commune, feasting on a human body, son of Mary; for, God was made flesh, and the Word was made flesh.

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    Jun 07, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidWhen I see the Mother and Child, I remember the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, when a mother, Mary, partook of her child's body and offered to the destroyers her child's body to eat. And, during this mass, the congregation will commune, feasting on a human body, son of Mary; for, God was made flesh, and the Word was made flesh.

    Cannibalism...the other other white meat.
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    Jun 07, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
    You don't know if the Ancient Palestinian named Mary, who ate half of her child and offered the other half to the Jewish rebel soldiers (not the Roman soldiers) was White or not.

    Josephus relates that there was a Mary, daughter of Eleazar originally from the village of Bethezuba in the district of Perea, east of the Jordan River, who had previously fled to Jerusalem. Distinguished in family and fortune, her property, treasures and food had been plundered by the Jewish defenders of the city during the siege. Famine was “eating her heart out, and rage consuming her still faster”. Maddened by hunger she took the infant at her breast and said to him: “Poor little mite! In war, famine, and civil strife why should I keep you alive? With the Romans there is only slavery and that only if alive when they come; but famine is forestalling slavery, and the partisans are crueler than either. Come you must be food for me, to the partisans an avenging spirit, and to the world a tale, the only thing left to fill up the measure of Jewish misery”. And in “defiance to all natural feeling” she killed her son, then roasted him and ate one half, hiding the rest.

    Almost immediately the rebels appeared (“sniffing the unholy smell”) and threatened to kill her on the spot unless she revealed what she had prepared. As she uncovered what was left of the child she offered them a share. They left her in horror and the “entire city could not stop thinking of this crime and abomination”. When the news reached the Romans, “some refused to believe, some were distressed but on most the effect was to add enormously to their detestation” of the enemy at hand. Titus disclaimed all responsibility as he had repeatedly offered peace and amnesty for surrender.

    See War of the Jews by Josephus, Book 6, Chapter 3, Section 4 (about Mary of the village Bethezub, House of Hyssop, eminent for her family and her wealth).
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    Jun 07, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidYou don't know if the Ancient Palestinian named Mary, who ate half of her child and offered the other half to the Jewish rebel soldiers (not the Roman soldiers) was White or not.
    Apparently you didn't catch the movie reference.

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    Jun 13, 2014 2:30 AM GMT
    A reading from the Letter of Saint Peter to the Colossians? @ 22:30?
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    Jun 13, 2014 2:55 AM GMT
    The Alleluia and incense at about 28 minutes is nice.