What comes to mind when you think of fem gays?

  • Being

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    Jun 06, 2014 1:08 PM GMT
    What do you imagine when that word comes to your mind?
  • mybud

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    Jun 06, 2014 1:28 PM GMT
    I think bottom, with a gentler nature.
  • Being

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    Jun 06, 2014 2:28 PM GMT
    I asked because fem gays seem to have a lot of negative stereotype attached to them.
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    Jun 06, 2014 2:35 PM GMT
    Feminazis
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    Jun 06, 2014 2:42 PM GMT
    Are you asking because you're fem? Is that why you have no photos nor stats in your profile?
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:00 PM GMT
    I think the fem gay get a bad rap cause they're associated with women by people who internally dislike women.
  • Svnw688

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:07 PM GMT
    Bottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    what comes to mind:
    masculinity is a lie too.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:11 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.


    What the fuck?
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:19 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.

    Eew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!

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  • MikeW

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:34 PM GMT
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
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    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

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    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.


    The irony is that the dude that said the statements looks super fem himself icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 06, 2014 3:55 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.


    'Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.'

    Doesn't sound like he's kicking anyone around.
  • MikeW

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:56 PM GMT
    HJ, I made my point and I don't want to get into a back-and-forth with you. Not because you're fem but because you're judgmental. You have your opinion, I have mine.

    I question the OP's motives for starting this thread. Either he is a troll stirring up shit or he has issues with his own self identity.

    If you're a troll, OP, you should just go away.

    If you're having issues with your own self-worth and self-identity, I'd like to be supportive. It's true there is a lot of prejudice against men who are *perceived* to be effeminate. These prejudices and perceptions are a form of social indoctrination.

    Like racism or any number of other prejudices, these attitudes prevent us from seeing the person in front of us. We *all* have these prejudices in one form or another. We all need to be self-aware enough to acknowledge we have them so we can take responsibility for them and consciously counteract them when we see them in ourselves. We can't do that if we're in a forum where honesty gets one judged for having been socialized in the first place.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 3:56 PM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    HottJoe said
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.


    'Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.'

    Doesn't sound like he's kicking anyone around.

    It does to me. Those stereotypes are hurtful, and if he doesn't want to hurt anyone he should keep it to himself.
  • venue35

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
    Joe i honestly don't think you are as fem as you think you are.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
    MikeW saidHJ, I made my point and I don't want to get into a back-and-forth with you. Not because you're fem but because you're judgmental. You have your opinion, I have mine.

    I question the OP's motives for starting this thread. Either he is a troll stirring up shit or he has issues with his own self identity.

    If you're a troll, OP, you should just go away.

    If you're having issues with your own self-worth and self-identity, I'd like to be supportive. It's true there is a lot of prejudice against men who are *perceived* to be effeminate. These prejudices and perceptions are a form of social indoctrination.

    Like racism or any number of other prejudices, these attitudes prevent us from seeing the person in front of us. We *all* have these prejudices in one form or another. We all need to be self-aware enough to acknowledge we have them so we can take responsibility for them and consciously counteract them when we see them in ourselves. We can't do that if we're in a forum where honesty gets one judged for having been socialized in the first place.

    You quoted me, and used my statement as an example. You judged me. Am I not allowed to defend my own statements?

    This thread is about what people think of fem guys, and I do see myself in that camp.

    People use it against me all the time in debates. And your response that your dislike of me has nothing to do with my being fem has nothing to do with my response to people who diss fems.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:04 PM GMT
    venue35 saidJoe i honestly don't think you are as fem as you think you are.

    Gurl. I can be whatever I want to be.icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 06, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
    lol And this is why unverified and hidden members shouldn't be allowed to post. They always post trollish shit.
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    Jun 06, 2014 4:11 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Sweetooth said
    HottJoe said
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.


    'Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.'

    Doesn't sound like he's kicking anyone around.

    It does to me. Those stereotypes are hurtful, and if he doesn't want to hurt anyone he should keep it to himself.


    Nah, he should share.
  • MikeW

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    kevex saidThe irony is that the dude that said the statements looks super fem himself icon_lol.gif

    Nothing judgmental in that statement, eh, Kev?

    See, this right here is the problem. I don't know whether he is 'fem' or not, nor do I really care. The double irony could be you look 'super fem' yourself! But I'm just saying that to make a point. "Fem" is a prejudicial concept--one we need to understand in take responsibility for.

    Again, he was being honest about his thoughts. I think you're intelligent enough to understand certain things about human nature. For example, we often think contradictory things. It is possible for a guy to be gay *and* homophobic (not sure about these days but it used to be *very* common). It is obviously possible for guys to be part of a minority and yet be prejudiced toward other minorities. All this should come as no surprise to you at all.

    Here's an idea, guys: Rather than judging other people, try being honest with YOURSELVES about your own prejudices and attitudes. You can't take responsibility for anything you're not aware of in yourself. Anyone can say, "Oh you're 'this' and you're 'that'…" but until a person sees it in himself *and takes responsibility for it* he won't change. The point being the only person responsible for how I think or act is ME; same goes for all of us.
  • MikeW

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    judgingyou saidWhen I think of fem:
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    When I think of masc:
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    LOL, perfect! icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 06, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
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    kevex saidThe irony is that the dude that said the statements looks super fem himself icon_lol.gif

    Nothing judgmental in that statement, eh, Kev?

    See, this right here is the problem. I don't know whether he is 'fem' or not, nor do I really care. The double irony could be you look 'super fem' yourself! But I'm just saying that to make a point. "Fem" is a prejudicial concept--one we need to understand in take responsibility for.

    Again, he was being honest about his thoughts. I think you're intelligent enough to understand certain things about human nature. For example, we often think contradictory things. It is possible for a guy to be gay *and* homophobic (not sure about these days but it used to be *very* common). It is obviously possible for guys to be part of a minority and yet be prejudiced toward other minorities. All this should come as no surprise to you at all.

    Here's an idea, guys: Rather than judging other people, try being honest with YOURSELVES about your own prejudices and attitudes. You can't take responsibility for anything you're not aware of in yourself. Anyone can say, "Oh you're 'this' and you're 'that'…" but until a person sees it in himself *and takes responsibility for it* he won't change. The point being the only person responsible for how I think or act is ME; same goes for all of us.



    He made idiotic stereotypes. Bottoms? lol Aren't there also masculine bottoms? That's why I think he's an idiot.
  • HottJoe

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    Jun 06, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    HottJoe said
    Sweetooth said
    HottJoe said
    MikeW said
    kevex said
    Svnw688 saidBottoms. Guys who are more narcissistic and who are louder than most. A person who hates what he is by his own admission and exhibits a level of hypocrisy that cognitive dissonance comes to mind (fem guys rarely want another fem guy, fem guys want "average" or masculine guys).

    Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.
    What the fuck?


    HottJoe saidEew, your mind is full of nastiness!!!
    icon_cry.gif

    "Think happy thoughts."

    ---Tinkerbell

    icon_razz.gif


    TWO EXAMPLES why a guy should never tell the honest truth about what goes on in his mind on RJ. If you do, you'll be JUDGED and basically told you're fucked up.

    Did you all miss the part where he said "Not saying those stereotypes are accurate"? He's saying this goes through his mind but he knows they are prejudices. He is self-aware AND he is *honest* about it. Same thing as saying I know I'm a racist because I've been conditioned to 'think' that way by my society. That doesn't mean I *like* or *accept* those racist 'reactions' in myself. On the contrary, I'm aware they are there and I *actively and consciously* work against believing them. Rather, I see they are there and then look beyond them to the person in front of me.

    Svn, you should be thanked for your honesty and self-awareness, not judged for it. icon_mad.gif

    Hey, I'm a fem guy and I thought his statements were below the belt. I was just handling it in a way that seemed lighthearted, because I've been dragged into waaaay too many debates with guys who project unseemly stereotypes onto fems.

    In a perfect world, I wouldn't have to read, hear or have to think about his opinions, since he got them from the playground bully.

    Hell, it's a lose-lose situation for fems, because people just think bigots should be treated fairly, and that fems should just accept being kicked around.


    'Not saying those stereotypes are accurate, they're just what my mind thinks of.'

    Doesn't sound like he's kicking anyone around.

    It does to me. Those stereotypes are hurtful, and if he doesn't want to hurt anyone he should keep it to himself.


    Nah, he should share.

    Is that because you enjoy reading that he thinks fems are loud, self hating, etc? It's just verbal diarrhea.

    Besides, I'm just sharing, too. My opinion is that people like to say nasty things about fems to make themselves feel better, but that they are in fact just being abusive.