Bowe Bergdahl: An Real Private Idaho Look at how this is playing out on the ground. Edited (for privacy) conversation tonight on FB.

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    Jun 08, 2014 6:46 AM GMT
    Seems to me that the people who are most vocal about the Bowe Bergdahl situation are those who probably don't have all of the facts.. Since I will likely never have all of the facts and I am NOT called to pass judgment, I am focusing on how incredibly relieved his parents must be to have their son released. Let the comments begin!
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    Jen: I rejoice in his release. On Google there were 90 million hits for Bowe Bergdahl. I hope he writes a book and I hope he has wilderness and solitude to heal himself with kin folk.
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    Stephanie: I think his case is for an appropriate court and law to decide, but totally independent of that I think Obama made a huge mistake and set a very dangerous precedent.
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    Jane: President Richard Nixon exchanged prisoners for American POWs including John Mccain.
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    Shelley: And John McCain made a big deal about how these guys were "warriors"---guys who would continue the fight.
    Wasn't he the same thing?
    It's all very disturbing to me.

    Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

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    Debbie: I agree Jane! He is human, needs to be with family and they need to be with him. If one of my sons were in this situation I would want this. I focus on what I would want if it were me and go from there.
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    Gail: The Iran-Contra Scandal, The Reagan Administration traded arms for hostages in Beirut. Selective memory disorder--rampant in American politics.
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    Maryon: I agree with you. . .I think that there is a whole lot of talking and very little actual facts. I feel so happy on one hand for his parents that he is back in US control. And so very sad for them at all the ignorant & hurtful remarks that are flying. Once again, I think we are losing sight of the job at hand & being way too busy trying to prove a "side".
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    Carol: You hit the nail on the head.
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    Katie: Thank you so much for saying that Jane. I have been appalled at all of the judgment and hate going around this situation.
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    William: An appropriate venue to bring out the factual truth of this matter is for a Courts Martial, under the UCMJ, for Bergdahl. Please click on this link for a counterpoint to the Rolling Stone article and certain White House positions:

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-questionable.../

    Obama's Questionable Exchange
    www.westernjournalism.com
    It’s a question of great import, especially given the circumstances of his release.
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    Renee: My opinion is these five men who will kill innocent americans. And didn't his father say some kind of prayer in Islam
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    Kris: There will never be peace until we each hold peace in our heart. Simply have compassion for all involved.
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    Said Mahdi So what!!!?
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    Stephanie: It doesn't matter that these five Taliban guys will probably go on to commit plenty of murder and mayhem? I don't wish to demean the life of any one person, but if I were the soldier in question, under oath to defend the United States and it's constitution, I'd rather die than have innocent civilians killed just to save me.
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    We do not normally hold prisoners after the conflict is over. We are withdrawing from Afghanistan. In addition, the five men in question were never charged with any crimes and word is that they cannot be given a day in court because they have been tortured and would provide proof that America violated international law. The transfer has been underway for nearly a year and many Republicans have criticized Obama for not being committed to it. It was internal conflict within the Talliban--with some offering a cut-rate deal---that caused the leadership to say pay up now or we will kill the man.
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    Judy: I wish tough decision did not have to be made. I know we've made dozens of such transfers during my adult years, however, and I have never seen a response like this one.
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    Mahdi: My question is. Is that war worth it? Also why I don't see kids of the 1% rich that own the usa don't go and fight for their country but in steed they send them to yale and harvard and the BS us with their speech on tv with the fames frase" god bless u and god bless america" is it a request or a demand or asking god to pick his favorit country and I just quoted George carlin here. We are fighting the rich men's war and selling it to us as fight for ur country. Any way I hate war. And I have and I won't make in coment about this solder cuz I don't know any thing about it sept what I hear on tv from bill o reilly, glen beck and limba ext... bathroom journalisme . so I will end this with god bless every one till the end of time! Thanks jane!!

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    Shelley:---I'm disturbed by your comment about saying a "prayer in islam".
    Isn't America about freedom of religion? Isn't that why we were fighting over there? Those folks in Afghanistan don't have a choice---do you want to take away our choice here?
    PS: I've heard a bunch of flak over Bowe's father speaking Pashto. One reporter mistakenly said he was speaking in Arabic. Is that against the law???
    Very disturbed by those who think there is only one way to believe, speak, pray...
    PS: What about condemning the American born terrorist who attempted the take over of a courthouse in Georgia?
    It's funny how that hasn't received any attention...

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    Dani: Thank you for writing what I have wanted to say to everyone who is so critical if Bowe's release. How would THEY feel if it were them or their family member? It is unreal how cruel people can be when we all should look for the best and rejoice that Bowe's family knows he's alive .
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    Auraelia:I believe this is yet another symptom of the political machines doing what they can to make the other side seem like the wrong side. If we had done nothing, it would have been wrong. We did something it was wrong. The look of the parents was wrong, but Duck Dynasty is okay? To pray to God in another other language than English is wrong? What about never leaving a soldier on the battlefield, regardless of what he or she has done? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? What happened to wait until all the facts are in? This whole situation, with all the misinformation and hysteria seems like a witch hunt. It seems the very definition of a Lynch Mob.
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    Araminta Self Amen Jane! I could not have stated that better myself. As a mother to an only son who wants to become a Navy seal my heart skips a beat every time he talks about the military
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    Sami: I'm with ya chicadee
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    Lynette: They all have negotiated with "terrorists" in the past. The bottom line is we do not leave our soldiers behind! As far as setting a dangerous precedence....why this president and not all the past presidents that have done the very same thing???? Atta...See More
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    Lisa: Ooh! Excellent and wise post, Jane! Thanx!
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    Colleen: I tend to leave the judgement to his brothers who have been very vocal about Bowe. As civilians, we can be happy for his family.
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    Danney: Clark never know who to believe do we
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    Janice: You can't believe the media they don't give all the facts. Hurray for another American saved now it is up to the military to judge his conduct and he has to live with his own choices. Now his family and the community of Hailey can find some closure.
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    Jennifer: I can tell you from having a son in the military and now on his 3rd deployment that he would never want the US to trade terrorists for himself. He signed on to die for our country. He took an oath to protect at ALL costs. He would never consider coming
  • FuerteC

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    Jun 08, 2014 7:15 AM GMT
    I am cynical about this. Could he be radicalised? 5 years with your captors you have to make friends.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 08, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
    I look forward to the court martial
  • tj85016

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    Jun 08, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
    ^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government
  • tj85016

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    Jun 08, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
    ^^

    and Democrats and probably 98% of people in the service - stop mincing words

    he was an AWOL deserter whether you like it or not
  • tj85016

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    Jun 08, 2014 1:30 PM GMT
    ^^

    more Democratic bullshit (I'm not a Repbulican). Why didn't Obama end the worthless war in Afganistan at the start of his tenure in office instead of at the end (as he said he would)?

    Why is Bergdahl released now instead of 3-4 years ago? To get the VA scandal off the front pages. Nothing in politics happens by accident.

    Bush starts Afgan war, now Obama owns it

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  • tj85016

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    Jun 08, 2014 1:44 PM GMT
    ^^

    Hagel is a lying piece of shit, just like Susan Rice, Bush, Obama, Rumsfeld and Cheny.

    "Governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars, with the end result always being the same. One will always lead to the other." Thomas Jefferson
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 09, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    and Democrats and probably 98% of people in the service - stop mincing words

    he was an AWOL deserter whether you like it or not


    "AWOL" and "deserter" are two entirely different things under the UCMJ. For the first you might have come back to base two hours late on a Friday night after staying out and getting drunk with your buddies in a bar; for the second, you can be executed. Which have "you decided" he is???
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 09, 2014 11:07 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government


    LOL. I'd want my money back from your law school, if I were you icon_smile.gif
  • tj85016

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    Jun 10, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    tj85016 said^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government


    LOL. I'd want my money back from your law school, if I were you icon_smile.gif


    in the service, you are property of the government, they tell you what to do whether you like it or not

    btw: looks like his platoon members said he deserted
  • tj85016

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    Jun 10, 2014 10:19 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidThe NYT said: Republican operatives have arranged for soldiers in his unit to tell reporters that he was a deserter who cost the lives of several soldiers searching for him. In fact, a review of casualty reports by Charlie Savage and Andrew Lehren of The Times showed there is no clear link between any military deaths and the search.


    lol so much desperate spin it's laughable - so all these platoon members are perjuring themselves for Republicans lol

    paranoid much?
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 10, 2014 2:13 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    WrestlerBoy said
    tj85016 said^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government


    LOL. I'd want my money back from your law school, if I were you icon_smile.gif


    in the service, you are property of the government, they tell you what to do whether you like it or not

    btw: looks like his platoon members said he deserted


    Why, yes, it does look like that's what his comrades are saying... to that bastion of fair and balanced journalism Megyn Kelly.

    So, let's see: They say he's a deserter and, what, that's that then? (Sort of like you telling me you killed someone last night... and then my concluding immediately that you're a "murderer").

    And on your other couple of points: No, his comrades are not perjuring themselves when they say others died in the search for him; they'd be perjuring themselves if they were under oath in a military court. So let's see?

    And no service member has to do "whatever" he is told to do. He has to do what he is LAWFULLY told to do:

    A military person must obey "the LAWFUL command of his superior officer.." (UCMJ, 809.ART.90(20); "the LAWFUL order of a warrant officer" (891.ART.91(2); "a LAWFUL general order" (892.ART.92(1); "a LAWFUL order" (892.ART.92(2). (Oliver North was famously castigated by a senator who was a decorated WWII hero for "following the ILLEGAL orders of President Reagan in the Iran-Contra affair).

    So, you know, just so we have our facts straight on the "an order is an order" nonsense. Because if you don't have the "moral duty" to refuse to follow an illegal order (which you do under the UCMJ and multiple international treaties), then after the Nuremberg trials we hanged all of those Nazis... illegally (because their lack of duty in refusing to follow an illegal order was exactly WHY we hanged them).



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    Jun 10, 2014 2:37 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government

    That's total BS.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 10, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    tj85016 said^^

    once you enlist, you are no longer a "citizen" but actual, in fact, property of the US government

    That's total BS.


    not really, they own you