Shootings....shootings...and more shootings! Daily life in the USA!

  • metta

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    Jun 09, 2014 6:16 PM GMT


    Gun Law Score Card by State

    http://gunlawscorecard.org/

    Las Vegas shooters leave a trail on social media

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/09/1305580/-Las-Vegas-shooters-leave-a-trail-on-social-media

    His Youtube account

    You really can tell a little about a person by the things they 'Like' and 'Subscribe' to.


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjtj9PHJv4NSOzO2J1gC2zw/channels


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjtj9PHJv4NSOzO2J1gC2zw



    Libertarian
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    Religious
    Delusional - 'New World Order' ?



    Las Vegas shooter confirmed to be participant in Bundy Ranch standoff
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/09/1305609/-Las-Vegas-shooter-confirmed-to-be-participant-in-Bundy-Ranch-standoff?detail=facebook
  • metta

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    Jun 09, 2014 6:33 PM GMT
    These shootings seem like they are happening more often to me.

    Is this something that we just have to accept as a part of living in the USA? You, a family member, a friend...could become a casualty in one of these events. Make sure to appreciate and spend quality time with the people in your life! There are a lot of crazy people out there with weapons that they should not have.


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    Jun 09, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
    I must admit, first, I'm as rabid as anyone else perpetuating info about the killers' "motives" (if to do nothing more than openly mock them).

    But I am very much swayed anew, by this British critic's 2009 take on the news media when stuff like this goes on.



    ^The short of it isn't much different than what we hear all the time: stop mentioning these jagoffs' names and their shtoopid-azz "manifestos", and future wannabe terrorists will have far less incentive to go out in their self-fetishized Blazes o' Glory.

    I'm not so worried about yahoos like us Internet sleuths rummaging the web for killers' pics and Facebook posts and similar minutiae. The problem, to me, is trying to disincentivize the mass media -- that is, the people who actually get PAID for drawing eyeballs and ears so they can sell ad space/ad time -- from sensationalizing the nuggets we do find by turning it all into a drop-everything, breaking-news-that-isn't-really-breaking, split-screen-arguing, round-the-clock sucks-travaganza.

    It just feels as though the attention assailants receive, relative to that of their victims, are the parting gifts for their failed lives, encouraging every would-be mass-killer loser to think, hey, maybe they, too, could finally earn that eternal Wikipedia page they've always wanted.

    Within 24 hours of the shootings, I already know the chick shooter worked needlepoint at Hobby Lobby, and that the dude shooter was angry he couldn't get a job with sufficient healthcare to remove a painful wisdom tooth. By comparison, I couldn't share with you one solitary shred of trivia about the victims, beyond the details of what happened to them on Sunday.

    By day's end, I really don't NEED to know how some uber-hormonal twit that blames women for everything truly felt about his life's shortcomings. If I WANT to know more about it, I can troll around the Interwebs and find it eventually. But to practice what I'm preaching, I need to eventually stop sharing stuff like that as if everybody else NEEDS to see it, too.

    I'd like for the major media outlets to refocus their attention on victims, providing as little detail as we would need to know about the assailants, their hopes 'n dreams, and their tactics. Report whatever law enforcement statements say about the assailants, in a matter-of-fact style without overwrought "analysis," and move right back on to the victims and their families. Maybe CNN can move articles and opinions like this to the forefront of their news coverage.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/09/opinion/smith-friend-las-vegas-police-shooting/index.html

    It would be cooler to me to see the TV hosts say things like,

    "XX people were killed and XX were wounded today in a shooting. Here's the latest on THEM..."
  • metta

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
    LIVE VIDEO: Gunman enters Oregon high school and kills student

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/10/live-police-respond-to-high-school-shooting-in-oregon/

    This is becoming a daily occurrence.
  • metta

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    Reynolds High School shooting in Oregon 74th on U.S. school campus since Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012

    http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/reynolds_high_school_shooting_3.html
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    Jun 11, 2014 12:16 PM GMT
    metta8 saidThese shootings seem like they are happening more often to me.

    Is this something that we just have to accept as a part of living in the USA? You, a family member, a friend...could become a casualty in one of these events. Make sure to appreciate and spend quality time with the people in your life! There are a lot of crazy people out there with weapons that they should not have.




    Yes! Americans are by and large savages. I say once again, let us all get guns and have a shoot out at the OK corral
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    Jun 11, 2014 5:45 PM GMT
    Blondizgd said
    Yes! Americans are by and large savages. I say once again, let us all get guns and have a shoot out at the OK corral


    You may jest, but part of the problem is the NRA and the gun lobby harking back to the days of the wild west. It is all part of the romanticized BS of the American gun culture.
  • metta

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    Jun 11, 2014 6:08 PM GMT
    Obama Just Said What We Were All Thinking About Mass Shootings

    "The country has to do some soul searching about this," President Barack Obama said. "This is becoming the norm and we take it for granted in ways that as a parent are terrifying to me."



    http://www.policymic.com/articles/90921/obama-just-said-what-we-were-all-thinking-about-mass-shootings
  • metta

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    Jun 11, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
    How to Tell the Difference Between an Open-Carry Patriot and a Deranged Killer

    http://boingboing.net/2014/06/11/tom-the-dancing-bug-how-to-te.html


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  • metta

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    Jun 11, 2014 8:52 PM GMT
    Police: Shooter at Oregon school had assault rifle

    "A 15-year-old gunman who killed a student at an Oregon high school had an assault rifle, handgun and several magazines of ammunition hidden in a guitar case and duffel bag when he rode a school bus to the campus, police said Wednesday."

    "The attacker, Jared Michael Padgett, a freshman at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, entered a boys locker room on Tuesday at a gymnasium, where he "murdered a fellow student," police Chief Scott Anderson said.

    He also wounded a teacher who managed to make his way to an office and alert officials, Anderson said, adding that the action by teacher Todd Rispler and responding officers likely saved numerous lives on the campus."


    http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/police-shooter-at-oregon-school-had-assault-rifle?ocid=ansnews11
  • Lincsbear

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    Jun 11, 2014 9:14 PM GMT
    metta8 saidObama Just Said What We Were All Thinking About Mass Shootings

    "The country has to do some soul searching about this," President Barack Obama said. "This is becoming the norm and we take it for granted in ways that as a parent are terrifying to me."



    http://www.policymic.com/articles/90921/obama-just-said-what-we-were-all-thinking-about-mass-shootings


    This is what`s so striking to someone like myself outside the USA: the complacent apathy of so many Americans regarding these mass shootings; as if this was a normal way to live and the best you can hope for. It`s a grimly erosive and pessimistic view of society and humanity.
  • metta

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    Jun 12, 2014 12:50 AM GMT
    Elliot Rodger, like nearly all young killers, was taking psychiatric drugs (Xanax)

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/045419_Elliot_Rodger_Xanax_psychiatric_drugs.html
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    Jun 12, 2014 12:02 PM GMT
    "Missed 'em by THAT much." Deja vu, n'est-ce pas?

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/las-vegas-police-had-contact-shooters-days-ambush

    Las Vegas Review-JournalJerad and Amanda Miller weren’t afraid to broadcast their radical, violent anti-government views to the world.

    But Las Vegas police, who spoke with the future cop killers three times since they moved to Las Vegas in January, never found evidence they hated police or were planning an attack, Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said at a news conference Wednesday.

    The married couple’s last contact with police came about a week before Sunday’s rampage, in which they ambushed and executed two officers and killed another man before police stopped them.

    It’s still unclear if something recent pushed the Millers toward killing innocent people, police said, or if they were hiding in plain sight all along.

    “What happened to change these two people into murderers, we don’t know, and we are working diligently to find out,” McMahill said.

    McMahill said three seasoned detectives from Metro’s Southern Nevada Counterterrorism Center learned in February that Jerad Miller had threatened to “shoot up” the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Jerad was frustrated after federal authorities at the Hoover Dam stopped his car in January and confiscated his suspended license, McMahill said.

    Jerad Miller, 31, left an angry message on a recorded Indiana BMV line, and that threat eventually found its way to Metro’s counterterrorism “fusion center,” which consists of local, state and federal authorities.

    But he downplayed the incident to detectives during an interview at his apartment, McMahill said. Jerad Miller told them he never planned to shoot anyone; he was simply airing frustrations and telling them “this is how people get shot,” McMahill said.

    Police found no probable cause for an arrest, McMahill said, and detectives didn’t note any anti-government attitude. The case was closed, and the detectives never discovered the couple’s rambling rants against police and government on YouTube or social media until after Sunday’s rampage.

    “They did not feel through their interview that the suspects were an ongoing or potential threat,” McMahill said.

    Even if police had discovered the videos, McMahill said, people’s ideology doesn’t automatically mean they’re criminals.

    “It is a significant challenge nationwide for us to be able to take this rhetoric, that you see from so many people, and translate it into actionable intelligence,” he said.

    Officers later discovered the couple had joined the protests in Bunkerville — 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas — against Bureau of Land Management agents removing rancher Cliven Bundy’s livestock from federal land. But they were kicked off the ranch after the militia learned Jerad Miller was a felon carrying a gun.

    Officers spoke with the couple twice more before Sunday, although the Millers were witnesses — not suspects — to possible crimes.

    On April 10, officers interviewed the Millers at their Bruce Street apartment complex about a neighbor’s domestic violence case. Each gave a written statement.

    “They had a lot of interaction with uniformed police officers on that call,” McMahill said.

    On May 31, the Millers again provided voluntary statements after a report of sexual assault involving an acquaintance, McMahill said.

    The Millers cooperated with police in every case. They seemed “normal,” McMahill said.


    Reminds me of Rodger the Dodger. I'm gonna start calling these folks H.I.P.S., since it sure seems like they're Hiding in Plain Sight. To roommates, neighbors, parents, social media viewers, and even The Fuzz when any of the above contact them.

    PeopleRodger's YouTube videos frightened his mother, Li Chin, so much that she called a mental health hotline – and six police officers visited her son's apartment on April 30. But he was deemed at that time "not a danger to himself or anyone else," Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown said at a May 24 news conference.


    USA TodayOfficers concluded he was "polite, courteous" and downplayed any difficulties. Rodger told officers he had problems in his social life.

    Authorities did not find a history of guns, but did say Rodger had trouble making friends.


    Our authorities do have an absurdly tough job, and they're not responsible for the casualties that followed. Yet I have little doubt that the evidence that existed before these cops' courtesy visits, were it someone with a complexion like yours truly, would have resulted in a far-less courteous visit, and there would be nothing I could "downplay" enough with enough politeness to help me avoid a forced trip to a mental health facility, at best, and a spot under the jail at worst. We've got to do better.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 12, 2014 1:44 PM GMT
    I really think the power and influence of the NRA is vastly overrated and a crock of shit and it's used as an excuse for doing nothing
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    Jun 12, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    Lincsbear said

    This is what`s so striking to someone like myself outside the USA: the complacent apathy of so many Americans regarding these mass shootings; as if this was a normal way to live and the best you can hope for. It`s a grimly erosive and pessimistic view of society and humanity.


    So many people just trot out the same old argument about gun-toting being enshrined in the Constitution, like it is something that can never be altered. Perhaps they cannot comprehend the meaning of the word 'amendment', nor why something that may have been relevant 200 years ago may be totally out of place in a modern society.
  • metta

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    Jun 12, 2014 8:03 PM GMT


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    Jun 12, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
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    Jun 12, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
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    Jun 13, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
    To CNN, Murders Like My Son's Don't Count: An Open Letter From a Parent


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annette-holt/cnn-school-shooting-stats_b_5489805.html
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    Jun 13, 2014 10:27 PM GMT
    NorthwestBoy1980 saidIts already illegal to shoot someone. You cant legislate to prevent people from breaking the law.


    Good Point. Make Guns Illegal.
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    Jun 14, 2014 4:29 AM GMT
    This thread drives home a point I made a while back: The very people who are complaining that increased gun laws will ban guns are, most likely, the very people who should be banned from having guns.
  • metta

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    Jun 15, 2014 5:14 AM GMT
    PA: One dead, another critically wounded in Shaler shooting

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/2014/06/13/Two-shot-in-Shaler/stories/201406130156
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    Jun 15, 2014 11:09 AM GMT
    metta8 saidPA: One dead, another critically wounded in Shaler shooting

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/2014/06/13/Two-shot-in-Shaler/stories/201406130156


    Only one? We slipping...
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 15, 2014 11:23 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Lincsbear said

    This is what`s so striking to someone like myself outside the USA: the complacent apathy of so many Americans regarding these mass shootings; as if this was a normal way to live and the best you can hope for. It`s a grimly erosive and pessimistic view of society and humanity.


    So many people just trot out the same old argument about gun-toting being enshrined in the Constitution, like it is something that can never be altered. Perhaps they cannot comprehend the meaning of the word 'amendment', nor why something that may have been relevant 200 years ago may be totally out of place in a modern society.


    This is all very true. But the Second Amendment has been around for a long time. It was around in, say, the 1950s, and we didn't have this lunacy. And your point is well made, it is simply impractical: In today's political climate, you couldn't get the people of the United States to adopt a constitutional amendment that said the world is round and not flat.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 15, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
    people with agendas don't like history and facts

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