All the Democrats want to do is Cover up in regards to the veterans scandal!

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:10 PM GMT
    Senate Democrats block VA accountability bill
    No, that's not a typo. It happened. Senate Democrats do not want more accountability at the VA. They blocked a VA accountability bill (HR 4031) that would have made it easier to fire VA officials for misconduct or incompetence. The bill passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in the house, by a margin of 390-33.
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    House Speaker John Boehner on Thursday slammed Washington's response to the scandal at the Department of Veterans Affairs, charging that "these are men and women who served our country — and we’ve not just let them down, we’ve let them die."
    "The reports that continue to come are appalling," the Ohio Republican told reporters at his weekly news briefing on Capitol Hill. "This is awful stuff, and someone ought to be held accountable for it."
    The speaker praised the House's swift approval of the VA Accountability Act on Wednesday, which gives the VA secretary the authority to remove senior executive service employees based on performance.
    The bill passed on a 390-33 vote, with 162 Democrats breaking ranks to support the legislation with 228 Republicans.
    "We all share the American people’s outrage about the horrors at the VA — outrage the president belatedly echoed yesterday," Boehner said, referring to President Barack Obama's vow to hold any VA official accountable for delaying treatment for returning service members and to "fix whatever is wrong" with the agency.
    "The White House keeps talking about its efforts to increase VA funding, but where’s the accountability?" the speaker asked.
    He also attacked Senate Democrats for blocking the House-passed accountability bill. Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio asked senators to bring up the legislation and pass it, but Democrats objected.
    "As we head into the Memorial Day weekend, I am disappointed, and – frankly – shocked that Senate Democratic leaders chose to block legislation that would hold VA managers accountable," Boehner said. "This bill is not the whole solution to the systemic problems plaguing the VA, but it is a crucial first step — and there is no substantive objection to it at all. None.
    "As we head home to honor the men and women who have sacrificed so much for our freedom, it’s fair to ask why Senate Democrats won’t stand up for more accountability?"
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:16 PM GMT
    I guess that it is time to thoroughly clean house in the US Senate come election day. Lets throw all the incumbents out.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
    shut the VA down completely and give vets regular health insurance - who trusts 1700 hospitals, clinics and rest homes run by any government anyway?

    open invitation to fraud and corruption (as if the private sector isn't bad enough)
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidshut the VA down completely and give vets regular health insurance - who trusts 1700 hospitals, clinics and rest homes run by any government anyway?

    open invitation to fraud and corruption (as if the private sector isn't bad enough)
    As an Army veteran, I strongly disagree with you on this one. The solution is to clean up the VA in the top echelons of power and force the ones responsible for this mess to face intense scrutiny and possible criminal charges. But the VA must never be abolished because most of its medical centers provide top quality care much cheaper than private sector hospitals. These problems seem to be confined to VA hospitals in the sunbelt states.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    ^^

    yes I saw it first-hand in Phoenix. My ex is an ophthalmologist and we had a friend who was a Captain in the Army and an ophthalmologist (a run of the mill cornea/glaucoma type) who started doing RETINA SURGERY at the VA!

    Now retina surgery is extremely specialized (it requires fellowship training, which the bulk of ophtho's do not have).

    He botched a few cases and moved to Yuma (aka doctor hell).

    The guy should be in jail or at least his medical license revoked.
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    Jun 10, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    tj85016 saidshut the VA down completely and give vets regular health insurance - who trusts 1700 hospitals, clinics and rest homes run by any government anyway?

    open invitation to fraud and corruption (as if the private sector isn't bad enough)
    As an Army veteran, I strongly disagree with you on this one. The solution is to clean up the VA in the top echelons of power and force the ones responsible for this mess to face intense scrutiny and possible criminal charges. But the VA must never be abolished because most of its medical centers provide top quality care much cheaper than private sector hospitals. These problems seem to be confined to VA hospitals in the sunbelt states.
    +1

  • Destinharbor

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    Jun 10, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    Ya, I live in an area with a very high concentration of veterans and they almost uniformly praise the VA medical system. They say the truly enormous increase in the VA budget under Obama as well as Shinseki's tenure has drastically improved the system from the old days. But Shinseki's opening the doors to uncontested PTSD cases (opposed under Bush) has also hugely increased demand on the system that even the huge budget increases cannot accommodate. The facilities are uniquely set up to handle the medical needs of veterans which are quite different from the private system, that the private system simply doesn't have the concentration of experts in war injuries, both physical and mental.
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    Jun 10, 2014 7:57 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    roadbikeRob said
    tj85016 saidshut the VA down completely and give vets regular health insurance - who trusts 1700 hospitals, clinics and rest homes run by any government anyway?

    open invitation to fraud and corruption (as if the private sector isn't bad enough)
    As an Army veteran, I strongly disagree with you on this one. The solution is to clean up the VA in the top echelons of power and force the ones responsible for this mess to face intense scrutiny and possible criminal charges. But the VA must never be abolished because most of its medical centers provide top quality care much cheaper than private sector hospitals. These problems seem to be confined to VA hospitals in the sunbelt states.

    +1

    +100

    And I wonder how many other posters here have actually served in US uniform long enough, and incurred qualifying service connected disabilities, to be entitled to regular use of the VA system, as I have been for 20 years. So that they would be speaking from first-hand experience as a VA system user, as I am, and not just blowing smoke out their asses.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 10, 2014 10:22 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidYa, I live in an area with a very high concentration of veterans and they almost uniformly praise the VA medical system. They say the truly enormous increase in the VA budget under Obama as well as Shinseki's tenure has drastically improved the system from the old days. But Shinseki's opening the doors to uncontested PTSD cases (opposed under Bush) has also hugely increased demand on the system that even the huge budget increases cannot accommodate. The facilities are uniquely set up to handle the medical needs of veterans which are quite different from the private system, that the private system simply doesn't have the concentration of experts in war injuries, both physical and mental.


    +1000!!

    People don't realize that the VA system is actually a little better than the US healthcare marketplace.
  • tazzari

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    Jun 10, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
    "All the Democrats want to do..."

    The moment a post starts with "all" some group or other wants to do is... I loose all interest. The Dems, for example certainly don't all want to cover something up, nor is a cover up "all" they want to do.

    Enough simplistic broad-brushing. It doesn't help the conversation at all.