The HRC - Yay or Nay?

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    Jun 13, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/derrick-clifton/human-rights-campaign-same-sex-marriage_b_2973131.html

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    Do you feel that the HRC is doing as much good as we assume it is?
    Derrick Clifton (among many others) is claiming here that it's a bit over-hyped, and actually Transphobic, Marriage Obsessed, and misuses its funds. (I dunno, mailing out MILLIONS of stickers every year, for example)

    What's your perspective?
    Is it more of a comfy Idea or Movement than a reputable Organization?
    What good do they actually do in the name of TRUE Equality?
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    Jun 13, 2014 11:42 PM GMT
    i've seen a lot of hrc late lately.

    semi-related..who are people's favorite lgbt charities? i was looking for one that was really getting shit done on marriage and other equality stuff but it's hard to tell..
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    Jun 14, 2014 12:40 AM GMT
    JackBoneTX saidi've seen a lot of hrc late lately.

    semi-related..who are people's favorite lgbt charities? i was looking for one that was really getting shit done on marriage and other equality stuff but it's hard to tell..
    I donate to this one occasionally: http://www.splcenter.org/
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    Jun 14, 2014 1:24 AM GMT
    No always late to the party and tries to take credit. They didn't lead the fight for marriage equality, they followed.
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    Jun 14, 2014 1:35 AM GMT
    owl_bundy saida friend of mine told me this awhile back about the hrc which made me really think about whether it's down for the cause or not. their purpose is as good as long as gay people are discriminated against in the u.s. so it wouldn't benefit them if gay people were able to get legally married or gay people got their civil rights because they wouldn't have any purpose.
    Sounds cynical but probable, so I looked it up. Turns out it goes deeper than what you wrote.

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/31563/human-rights-campaign-fails-to-advocate-for-minorities/424007
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    Jun 14, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
    They do have a lot of influence in Washington, which is important.
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    Jun 14, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
    I've supported them and listed both them and GLAAD as beneficiaries should there be anything left at my demise, though admittedly I haven't been following them much over the last few years, my mind occupied by more emotional events.

    I just quickly perused the article in the OP and I think the criticism on their concentration on marriage rights over and above other issues is a bit unfair because to my mind first we need legitimacy and then--though also in conjunction, but then especially--we can better help thrown away teens and maybe even redirect foreign aid according to human rights for LGBT, etc. It is paramount that we first have our human rights endowed us. Once we've that, then we've more power to address other issues.

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    Jun 14, 2014 3:42 AM GMT
    I don't like them and their swanky headquarters in DC. I don't think they are effective, I only see them react, but never acting out of their own initiative.

    A couple of years back people on here said that they are the gay fig-leaf of the Democrats. I've heard that many other gay orgs avoid them.
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    Jun 14, 2014 6:43 AM GMT
    I give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.
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    Jun 14, 2014 7:02 AM GMT
    duluthrunner saidI give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.


    Do you know WHY?

    Or just to say "I give regularly" at the Country Club?
    (not meant as a personal attack, Just curious about where your money goes once given)
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    Jun 14, 2014 7:16 AM GMT
    duluthrunner saidI give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.

    We do, too. And also Florida Equality, and the ACLU (although I don't always agree with some of their positions). Along with several women's right's groups, and a half-dozen Democratic online fundraising groups.

    Those last I may delete. Every time the Republicans do something stupid (almost daily) I get a dozen emails telling me about it, and each asking me for money to oppose it. I get emails (I realize in name only) from President Obama, Vice President Biden, First Lady Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, the DNC, and Democratic groups I never heard of.

    I wanna tell them they're overdoing it, and clogging my email. I give money to one site, yet I get badgered by other sites for not having donated to the same issue. I think those guys need to coordinate their fundraising efforts a little better.
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    Jun 14, 2014 7:22 AM GMT
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    duluthrunner saidI give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.

    We do, too. And also Florida Equality, and the ACLU (although I don't always agree with some of their positions). Along with several women's right's groups, and a half-dozen Democratic online fundraising groups.

    Those last I may delete. Every time the Republicans do something stupid (almost daily) I get a dozen emails telling me about it, and each asking me for money to oppose it. I get emails (I realize in name only) from President Obama, Vice President Biden, First Lady Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, the DNC, and Democratic groups I never heard of.

    I wanna tell them they're overdoing it, and clogging my email. I give money to one site, yet I get badgered by other sites for not having donated to the same issue. I think those guys need to coordinate their fundraising efforts a little better.


    Post number two from someone supporting HRC (cool, Kudos. You're even giving elsewhere, awesome.), but no details.

    What do you feel the HRC is doing to make the world a better place, with your money? Let's remove the bumper sticker from the argument.

    I've heard the arguments against, I want some arguments for. ("I'm giving" is not an argument FOR this group, it's just blind support until proven otherwise)
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    Jun 14, 2014 6:43 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    duluthrunner saidI give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.

    We do, too. And also Florida Equality, and the ACLU (although I don't always agree with some of their positions). Along with several women's right's groups, and a half-dozen Democratic online fundraising groups.

    Those last I may delete. Every time the Republicans do something stupid (almost daily) I get a dozen emails telling me about it, and each asking me for money to oppose it. I get emails (I realize in name only) from President Obama, Vice President Biden, First Lady Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, the DNC, and Democratic groups I never heard of.

    I wanna tell them they're overdoing it, and clogging my email. I give money to one site, yet I get badgered by other sites for not having donated to the same issue. I think those guys need to coordinate their fundraising efforts a little better.


    Post number two from someone supporting HRC (cool, Kudos. You're even giving elsewhere, awesome.), but no details.

    What do you feel the HRC is doing to make the world a better place, with your money? Let's remove the bumper sticker from the argument.

    I've heard the arguments against, I want some arguments for. ("I'm giving" is not an argument FOR this group, it's just blind support until proven otherwise)
    My understanding is that HRC is the most influential lobbying organization for gay rights and that they basically have a "seat at the table" when it c omes to legislative lobbying. Another side of the fight for gay equality is getting progressive rulings from courts which is why I support lambda legal. I also support organizations that combat homelessness and poverty but I don't particularly look to gay rights organizations for that so I'm not particularly concerned if that's not hrc's main focus.
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    Jun 30, 2014 11:07 AM GMT
    HRC does "good work" as far as it goes. If they fight for gay marriage, etc., that's fine with me.

    But their perspective on rights is ignorant and scary.

    When Massachusetts recognized gay marriage way back when, I got an email update from HRC which touted this glowing headline:

    Massachusetts Grants Gays Right to Marry

    CRINGE. And they still ignorantly propagate the notion that our rights are "granted" by government.

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    Jun 30, 2014 11:11 AM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier said
    Art_Deco said
    duluthrunner saidI give regularly to HRC and to Lambda Legal.

    We do, too. And also Florida Equality, and the ACLU (although I don't always agree with some of their positions). Along with several women's right's groups, and a half-dozen Democratic online fundraising groups.

    Those last I may delete. Every time the Republicans do something stupid (almost daily) I get a dozen emails telling me about it, and each asking me for money to oppose it. I get emails (I realize in name only) from President Obama, Vice President Biden, First Lady Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, the DNC, and Democratic groups I never heard of.

    I wanna tell them they're overdoing it, and clogging my email. I give money to one site, yet I get badgered by other sites for not having donated to the same issue. I think those guys need to coordinate their fundraising efforts a little better.


    Post number two from someone supporting HRC (cool, Kudos. You're even giving elsewhere, awesome.), but no details.

    What do you feel the HRC is doing to make the world a better place, with your money? Let's remove the bumper sticker from the argument.

    I've heard the arguments against, I want some arguments for. ("I'm giving" is not an argument FOR this group, it's just blind support until proven otherwise)


    OK, I'll give it a shot. Per my post directly above, they sometimes do potentially good work by revealing their ignorance about the nature of rights.

    It gives the few of us who understand the Constitution a chance to point out this ignorance.

    Alas, the idiocracy marches on apace.