Poll: Bill Clinton Most Admired President of Past 25 Years

  • metta

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    Jun 16, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    Poll: Bill Clinton Most Admired President of Past 25 Years

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/06/15/poll-bill-clinton-most-admired-president-of-last-25-years/
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    Jun 17, 2014 2:08 PM GMT
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    Perv who should have been impeached.

    Makes a statement about the losers who have occupied the White House after the greatest president of modern times, Ronald Reagan.
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    Jun 17, 2014 7:01 PM GMT
    metta8 saidPoll: Bill Clinton Most Admired President of Past 25 Years

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/06/15/poll-bill-clinton-most-admired-president-of-last-25-years/

    Well, there have only been four Presidents in the past 25 years.

    Two of them come from a family of war criminals. One of them is completely inept at his job.

    That just leaves Bill Clinton. Not much competition, I'd say.
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    Jun 17, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
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  • tj85016

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    Jun 17, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    metta8 saidPoll: Bill Clinton Most Admired President of Past 25 Years

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/06/15/poll-bill-clinton-most-admired-president-of-last-25-years/

    Well, there have only been four Presidents in the past 25 years.

    Two of them come from a family of war criminals. One of them is completely inept at his job.

    That just leaves Bill Clinton. Not much competition, I'd say.


    lol, so true
  • Lincsbear

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    Jun 18, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    That Bill Clinton is considered the best president of the last twenty five years says little for the others; and not much more for the political choices of the American people!
  • tj85016

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    Jun 18, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
    Lincsbear saidThat Bill Clinton is considered the best president of the last twenty five years says little for the others; and not much more for the political choices of the American people!


    that idiot Blair was no prize either
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    Jun 18, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    Pfft. If Blair ran for PM of Canada I'd vote for him any day. He's got balls and was willing to make the hard choices when necessary. I have little patience with his UK critics who whine about his decision to invade Iraq. He made the call based on the best info available to him at the time and by doing so gave the ungrateful Iraqis a real chance at democracy, which they threw away while self-destructing.

    He's one of the very few politicians I can think of who I believe is motivated by a strong sense of duty and personal honour in serving his country. Oddly enough I think Senator McCain is another one although I don't agree with his political leanings in general.
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    Jun 19, 2014 3:16 AM GMT
    I can hardly wait to see Bill Clinton holding a bible as his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in as the next President of the United States of America.

    It will be a very good day for the United States and for the world.
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    Jun 19, 2014 4:09 AM GMT
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    GAMRican saidI can hardly wait to see Bill Clinton holding a bible as his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in as the next President of the United States of America.

    It will be a very good day for the United States and for the world.

    Barf.

    Who is your preferred candidate?
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 6:03 AM GMT
    Bill Clinton was impeached. Maybe people think impeached means convicted but it does not. It means charged with an impeachable act by Congress. And he was. He was not convicted, which most people think impeached means. He was also stripped of his law license, he signed The Defense of Marriage Act, banning gay marriage federally, and he was the first President to ban gays from the military officially. We can argue why he did it but that is the record.
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 6:18 AM GMT
    Reagan did some great things for the country but nothing for Gays and Lesbians. He failed to act on AIDS, never even mentioning the phrase but talked about Legionaire's Disease that affected 45 guys many times. Sorry for the misspelling. He took us from the malaise of Carter to a much more Prosperous time. But he had many gay friends and he did nothing for the gay community. I am a Libertarian. I am not happy with either party.
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    Jun 19, 2014 6:26 AM GMT
    Decadence, you cant have it both ways. I am not saying you are. I am not saying that. But his record speaks for itself. Did Conservatives make him do what he did signing those acts? Maybe. But he signed them. Well, if Conservatives made him, what does that say about him? And Hillary, who was against gay marriage in her interview with the NY Times when she was last running before she switched? Is it real or is it all political calculation?
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 6:45 AM GMT
    And why do people not blame Bill Clinton for the real estate meltdown? Bill Clinton and his HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo started the whole stated income fiasco. They said it publicly that home ownership was the best thing that could happen for the average American. Then they told banks that they would not get Fannie May or Freddie Mac money, which backs most home loans, if they did not offer loans to almost anyone. Based on stated income with little verification. The banks loaned to people that should never have gotten a loan based on stated, not documented income. Hell, I was one of them. Then the banks realized they had millions of bad loans that were not secured, they bundled them and sold them to wall street, and eventually the pyramid collapsed. Blame Wall Street, or blame bankers, but it started with Clinton and his silly idea that everyone should have home ownership and using Fannie May and Freddie Mac as a club.
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 6:54 AM GMT
    In a country of 300 million I find it hard to believe that we cant find someone better than another Clinton or Jeb Bush. We have really smart people but none that want to deal with the crap of politics. If you are smart enough to be President, you are smart enough to make money and have a good life without dealing with the crap.
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    Jun 19, 2014 7:28 AM GMT
    Well duh, he's the only one that got a blow job. That's pretty admirable.
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 8:59 AM GMT
    He did at the very end of his Presidency, when it really did not matter and he was forced to. But yes, he did, when it was meaningless. When he was almost out of office. Heroic.
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 9:04 AM GMT
    I would argue that Kennedy had quite a few. Johnson had more than his share, and Roosevelt did not do so bad. All Democrats, not sure if that makes a difference.
  • Triggerman

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    Jun 19, 2014 9:07 AM GMT
    Which is funny. Also three Democrats that got us into wars. Roosevelt, World War 2, Kennedy, Vietnam, Johnson, all the way into Vietnam. Democrats.
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    Jun 19, 2014 7:26 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidReagan did some great things for the country but nothing for Gays and Lesbians. He failed to act on AIDS, never even mentioning the phrase but talked about Legionaire's Disease that affected 45 guys many times. Sorry for the misspelling. He took us from the malaise of Carter to a much more Prosperous time. But he had many gay friends and he did nothing for the gay community. I am a Libertarian. I am not happy with either party.


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    Jun 19, 2014 7:31 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidHe did at the very end of his Presidency, when it really did not matter and he was forced to. But yes, he did, when it was meaningless. When he was almost out of office. Heroic.


    But you said:

    "He failed to act on AIDS, never even mentioning the phrase"

    I thought never meant never?


    "Back to Reagan and AIDS. In 1984, Reagan thought that AIDS was like the measles and would go away. When his good friend Rock Hudson got sick and died from it, however, Reagan became convinced that it was much more than that. But the Reagan administration spent money for AIDS research starting in 1983. According to the Cannons, "In fiscal year 1983, the Reagan administration...spent $44 million fighting AIDS, a number that essentially doubled each year of Reagan's presidency and reached $2.3 billion in the fiscal year ending in 1989.""

    http://www.worldissues360.com/index.php/ronald-reagan-on-aids-the-real-record-58568/
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    Jun 19, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidAnd why do people not blame Bill Clinton for the real estate meltdown? Bill Clinton and his HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo started the whole stated income fiasco. They said it publicly that home ownership was the best thing that could happen for the average American. Then they told banks that they would not get Fannie May or Freddie Mac money, which backs most home loans, if they did not offer loans to almost anyone. Based on stated income with little verification. The banks loaned to people that should never have gotten a loan based on stated, not documented income. Hell, I was one of them. Then the banks realized they had millions of bad loans that were not secured, they bundled them and sold them to wall street, and eventually the pyramid collapsed. Blame Wall Street, or blame bankers, but it started with Clinton and his silly idea that everyone should have home ownership and using Fannie May and Freddie Mac as a club.


    And at least Bush tried to reign it in a bit only to be bitterly opposed by the CBC trying to get his legislation passed. (hint: Sept 11, 2003)
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    Jun 19, 2014 7:40 PM GMT
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    Triggerman saidAnd why do people not blame Bill Clinton for the real estate meltdown? Bill Clinton and his HUD Secretary, Andrew Cuomo started the whole stated income fiasco. They said it publicly that home ownership was the best thing that could happen for the average American. Then they told banks that they would not get Fannie May or Freddie Mac money, which backs most home loans, if they did not offer loans to almost anyone. Based on stated income with little verification. The banks loaned to people that should never have gotten a loan based on stated, not documented income. Hell, I was one of them. Then the banks realized they had millions of bad loans that were not secured, they bundled them and sold them to wall street, and eventually the pyramid collapsed. Blame Wall Street, or blame bankers, but it started with Clinton and his silly idea that everyone should have home ownership and using Fannie May and Freddie Mac as a club.


    And at least Bush tried to reign it in a bit only to be bitterly opposed by the CBC trying to get his legislation passed.


    Seriously, you think not?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html
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    Jun 19, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    Seriously, you think not?

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    Jun 19, 2014 10:32 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Lincsbear saidThat Bill Clinton is considered the best president of the last twenty five years says little for the others; and not much more for the political choices of the American people!


    that idiot Blair was no prize either


    Indeed. I think Blair modelled himself on Clinton in many ways.