is pride still necessary

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    Jun 16, 2014 3:00 PM GMT
    looking like it is:
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    reference:
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    Jun 16, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    "Pride" is more than a Pride Parade. It's a show of strength, a feeling of solidarity, self worth, some of it is just a silly party. A good time! But some will always try to destroy what is good and right...even if it is a bit naughty and cheeky.

    All the more to celebrate with our brothers and sisters.
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    Jun 16, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    I think a lot of guys, especially younger, forget that Pride was a celebration to show the world that we don't want and we don't have to be like you. We are our own persons and your rules may not be our rules.

    Those lines have been blurred in recent years as society has begun that being gay is OK. Many younger gays subscribe to the very social norms that their respective heterosexual counterparts subscribe to (most of which are instilled by their parents, presumably heterosexuals). Many of the rules that the 'I'm queer and I'm here' generation fought against back in the day, have changes with acceptance. The early days were filled with those who wanted to be recognized and understood and much of that included a different appreciation to sexual openness, communications and same sex relations.

    In my opinion, the str8 community would do well to look at the openness that the gay community includes, much of which is acceptable and works. Perhaps it would help lower that 50% divorce rate. As for, is it still necessary, well I guess I would ask, is the St Patrick's Day parade really necessary? Or how about that Rose Bowl Parade? Today the president is considering an executive order to ban discrimination for federal contract workers, so yes, the message has not been heard or this would NOT need to be done. There is work here and around the world to ensure basic freedom equality for gays and str8s. The celebration is a unity of all those who support that equality and if you've never been to SF for the Pride Celebration, join the million people (no exaggeration) in that celebration. A million people join hands with the gays of the bay area to show their solidarity. That's what the Pride Celebration has done, so yes, it's needed and it's OK.

    It's OK to celebrate where we have come and recognize those who have joined us and continue to verbalize where we need to go for the rest of the world.
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    Jun 16, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
    If you want the elegant arrogance of being able to go on line and ask questions that Guys like you didn't always have the privilege of asking while ogling Boys in their underwear...then YEAH. I guess there is still a reason.
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    Jun 16, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    Nope, it's not necessary anymore. Society accepts us now completely and unconditionally. There is no more discrimination toward us whatsoever. Equal rights have been granted across the board. The fight is over. We won. Now we can shut down all the gay bars, or merge them with straights, because it's no longer necessary to do anything different from he heteronormative society we pined to be a part of for so long.

    #sarcasm
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    Jun 16, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidNope, it's not necessary anymore. Society accepts us now completely and unconditionally. There is no more discrimination toward us whatsoever. Equal rights have been granted across the board. The fight is over. We won. Now we can shut down all the gay bars, or merge them with straights, because it's no longer necessary to do anything different from he heteronormative society we pined to be a part of for so long.

    #sarcasm


    You KNOW that is MY territory...

    But You did it so well I will for ONCE stfu.
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    Jun 16, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    Those who diss and dismiss Pride need to know it's not all about faggy guys being queeny in a parade.

    It's also about a timid young college girl coming up to me, saying: "Thank you for being out. I was all alone here, and afraid. Now I know there are other gays here."

    Do you have any idea what that does to you? What it means to them? When a young LGBT person finds acceptance in the world, for the first time in their life? Well, evidently some of you don't.

    Pride isn't just an annual Bacchanalia, a gay version of Mardi Gras. It's also the coming out of countless scared and frightened LGBT, who learn they're not alone, not freaks, not isolated any longer. But rather part of a huge community, that is just like them.

    Yah know I think this is forgotten, by guys here who take their orientation for granted. And good they do, in the sense they are post-Stonewall era repression.

    But a lot of others aren't at that point. THAT'S what Pride is about, and why it remains important.

    Maybe in some future time, when gay is so normal & accepted even the word fades away, we won't need Pride. But that time isn't here yet. And while there are still scared, frightened, bullied and injured kids, and adults, too, I think we will still need Pride.
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    Jun 16, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
    A few years ago I got some random e-mail about a website called Real Jock.

    I hopped on as I wanted to change My Body.

    It was Two (2) years before I participated in a forum.

    I got INVOLVED because some bitchy Gay Guyz decided to bash Gay Guys at Pride.

    I GET that PRIDE can be tacky.

    TRUST Me - I KNOW what a good party looks like.

    Do You think the French Revolution was elegant?

    The American Revolution clean and tidy and neatly wrapped??

    What do You think the Civil Rights Movement looked like???

    Sometimes a Movement is LOUD and in Your Face and OBNOXIOUS.

    Ask the Women who won the right to vote.

    We may be messy and not always "classy" (a term I HATE) but We bitch-smacked Our way out of a hole and became one of the Most Important Demographics on the Planet.

    Don't back out NOW Boys - We came too far.

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    Jun 16, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
    owl_bundy said
    art, i think you're too smart for some of the people in here...

    No, if I were smart I would I written "have" instead of "having" (since corrected).

    Half the guys here are smarter than me. It's one of the reasons I love RJ, because the guys here are so smart. My late Mother always told me to associate with people who know more than me.

    "Stupid people will teach you nothing. Always mix with people more intelligent than you, and learn something." "Yes, Mom."

    She said that to me, again & again in different ways, for decades. Her old fashioned sayings still guide me today. She was another person who was far smarter than I'll ever be, like so many guys here.
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    Jun 16, 2014 10:38 PM GMT
    The biggest thing I've noticed in the past 5 years about the Pride Parade in SF is that it's much less 'risqué' and much more family and celebration oriented with a LOT more business participation. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with businesses participating for a good reflection by the LGBT community but the days of extreme and voluminous over-the-top sexual innuendoes seems to be in the past and the festivities resemble more of a 4th of July parade and party than a gay event. Even the 'adult' area last year was tiny, hardly anyone there and moved to the furthest corner of the celebration area.

    * edit: Spelling correction as pointed out.
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    Jun 17, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    judgingyou said
    eb925guy said'riskee'
    risqué



    arbitrary?

    trite?

    useless point?

    Careful Andrew.

    as a Canadian Fashion School drop-out
    they may send a Mountie over with a blow dryer to melt yer igloo.
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    Jun 17, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
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    Cash said
    judgingyou said
    eb925guy said'riskee'
    risqué
    arbitrary?
    trite?
    useless point?
    i'm just teaching him how to spell a word you dried up hag


    I AM pretty dried up aren't I???

    I am kinda amazed I don't just blow away in the wind...

    I sometimes forget how dedicated you are to elocution and proper spelling.
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    Jun 17, 2014 3:27 AM GMT
    Yes.
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    Jun 17, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    judgingyou said
    eb925guy said'riskee'
    risqué

    Thanks…my bad. I'm usually pretty good about spell checking…oh well! Fixed. icon_smile.gif