Jason Hanna and Joe Riggs, Texas Gay Fathers, Denied Legal Parenthood Of Twin Sons

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    Jun 18, 2014 7:44 PM GMT

    They are a cute couple, too bad from Texas though, I wish them well in that "gay therapy" state icon_rolleyes.gif


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/jason-hanna-and-joe-riggs_n_5506720.html


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  • tj85016

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    Jun 18, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
    I can't fathom how any idiot judge could possibly have any moral (let alone legal) say in this
  • conservativej...

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    Jun 18, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
    Hum, interesting being a single-parent father of two 18 month olds. My nearest and dearest are also about to have a boy and girl come into their family.
  • C_Dezi

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    Jun 18, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    wow. maybe they should have thought about researching all of this just a wee bit more before they decided to become parents of two living human beings. but i guess if you have the complaining skills of a couple of brooklyn yiddish jews, coupled with the duo-gay-buying power of a decent (also jewish) lawyer, i suppose actually being make-believe married and ravaging the womb of some unsuspecting GED producing teenage girl equals the right to make a family. oh wait, there are still courts of law in this country. whoops.
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    Jun 19, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
    C_Dezi saidwow. maybe they should have thought about researching all of this just a wee bit more before they decided to become parents of two living human beings. but i guess if you have the complaining skills of a couple of brooklyn yiddish jews, coupled with the duo-gay-buying power of a decent (also jewish) lawyer, i suppose actually being make-believe married and ravaging the womb of some unsuspecting GED producing teenage girl equals the right to make a family. oh wait, there are still courts of law in this country. whoops.


    Anti-Semitic, or what? Where does it say anybody is Jewish. And WHY would that even matter?

    "It was particularly jarring to Hanna and Riggs because other gay couples in Texas, including friends of theirs, have successfully completed this process. The couple’s lawyer has offered them several options on bringing the petition back, changing the paperwork and the process. But there’s no question that if their marriage was legally recognized they would not be having this problem at all."

    Not sure what the difference was with the other couples. It could have been mother/father1 mother/father2. But I can understand why they would need both partners on the BC.

    Where is it printed the woman was "unsuspecting GED producing teenage girl" She's done this before "CharLynn, the woman who would become their surrogate. This was her fourth surrogacy, but her first time working with a gay couple, and the three were thrilled to join together." hardly unsuspecting.

    Different courts in different states come up with very different results.

    I really hope you are a troll. If you are a Gay man I feel sorry for you.
  • C_Dezi

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    Jun 19, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
    I'm jewish. ginger. and gay. everyone feels sorry for me. luckily i carry an eternal ticket to heaven. sorry bud. silly gentile.
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    Jun 19, 2014 12:54 AM GMT
    In Australia two women were awarded full recognition of parenthood by a court of law with both of their names on the birth certificate, and no mention of a father.
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    Jun 19, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
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    They are a cute couple, too bad from Texas though, I wish them well in that "gay therapy" state icon_rolleyes.gif


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/jason-hanna-and-joe-riggs_n_5506720.html


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    which one is whom? Very handsome!
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    Jun 19, 2014 1:47 AM GMT
    C_Dezi saidI'm jewish. ginger. and gay. everyone feels sorry for me. luckily i carry an eternal ticket to heaven. sorry bud. silly gentile.


    Oh one thought the Mormons were the chosen people with the valuated eternal card, because they have accepted the full gospel; unlike other religus organisation.icon_wink.gif

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    Jun 19, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
    You all move to Uruguay, gays can get married, adopt children, change their names if they prefer to be women/men, etc. Hard to believe something as basic as getting married or being recognized as a parent is still an issue in so many places.
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    Jun 19, 2014 3:44 AM GMT
    The only thing I don't fully understand is how a biological father can not legally be put on the birth certificate, but the surrogate (who isn't even related to the children in this case) is put down as the mother.
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    Jun 19, 2014 4:04 AM GMT
    S34n05 saidThe only thing I don't fully understand is how a biological father can not legally be put on the birth certificate, but the surrogate (who isn't even related to the children in this case) is put down as the mother.


    Each guy could get their own child's name on the birth certificate of each child along with the same surrogate mother, the issue here is the state of Texas does not recognize them as a "family unit", much like the law suit going on in Michigan and those lesbians who want to adopt each others children. If these two guys were to separate or divorce, each could become a legal parent.

    It doesn't say who's female egg(s) was used in this surrogacy, unless the eggs did come from the surrogate, the surrogate would have 2 children, by two different fathers under current Texas law, the state of Texas and its law are just being assholes not allowing this family unit to exist

    So to keep their family unit, my advice for them, is to move to a state where than can legally be recognized as a family, even though Texas is their home state with family and friends, maybe such as where they got married in Washington DC, that is what I would do instead of fighting ignorance through the court system. However, the couple are entitled to fight for the right to be a family in a state that rejects them
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    Jun 19, 2014 4:22 AM GMT
    that's crap. i think it will made right eventually too. hang in there, dads :/
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    Jun 19, 2014 8:12 AM GMT
    Texas has some fucked up politics.
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    Jun 19, 2014 8:24 AM GMT
    JackBoneTX saidthat's crap. i think it will made right eventually too. hang in there, dads :/


    Agreed. Precedents have already been set with other parents in the same situation, per the article, so I would find it hard to believe they wouldn't grant the same to Hanna and Riggs, eventually.

    The challenging part of all this is that, from what I've read, it's up to the "judge's discretion". Why can't it be up to the judge's "common sense". Ridiculous.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 19, 2014 4:25 PM GMT
    This will surely be sorted out through the courts and these guys will eventually get custody. That being said, I'm perplexed as to how the legalities of this was not all worked out prior to moving forward with the surrogacy. Just seems a bit cart before horse to me.
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    Jun 19, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI can't fathom how any idiot judge could possibly have any moral (let alone legal) say in this


    I'm not a lawyer and therefore cannot be certain of the situation. However, it may be that the law was such that the judge felt that she had made the only possible decision which would conform to the law. It may even be that she disagreed with the law and would have preferred to make a decision that would be more beneficial to the concerned parties. The fact that some other Texas judges decided otherwise is beside the point; that is not uncommon and is one of the reasons we have higher courts to resolve such conflicts.

    Let us hope that the two men find a way around the problem and that the law will soon be changed to prevent recurrences of the problem.
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    Jun 19, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    Decadence_of_Art said
    C_Dezi saidI'm jewish. ginger. and gay. everyone feels sorry for me. luckily i carry an eternal ticket to heaven. sorry bud. silly gentile.


    Oh one thought the Mormons were the chosen people with the valuated eternal card, because they have accepted the full gospel; unlike other religus organisation.icon_wink.gif

    They also have money and power and good layers.


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    Jun 19, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    They look like great dads to me. I would leave if they said that to me with my sons and partner what a load of shit plan and simple
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 19, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
    You have a number of things going on here, legally and otherwise. Under the law, the judge could indeed have made another decision. However, the Texas ban on gay marriage was ruled unconstitutional, and that ruling is now pending on appeal. All the judge is petrified of is one thing... being reversed. Silly judge (Texas), because she will be reversed on this decision when that appeal fails, as it must, eventually.

    It will fail because at some point "we" are going to get it: This couple must be legally married somewhere, and then they must sue the State of Texas under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution, i.e., that a valid contract in ONE state MUST be recognized as valid in ALL of the others. (This has always been a better argument than the 14th Amendment, but we're winning on those grounds, too, so who cares).

    However, to suggest that the surrogate mother "has no biological relationship to the boys, since embryos were transferred to her..", as stated in the report, is a patent idiocy. The woman who carried and gave birth to them has no "biological" relationship to them? What's the author's definition of "biological"? Surely, she has no LEGAL relationship to them (if/when "surrogate" = "giving up for adoption" under the applicable law).

    It'll take some legal tangoing, but I think these two guys will be just fine... in the end. As we say in Spanish, "La justicia tarda, pero sí llega".

  • madsexy

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    Jun 20, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    Decadence_of_Art said
    C_Dezi saidI'm jewish. ginger. and gay. everyone feels sorry for me. luckily i carry an eternal ticket to heaven. sorry bud. silly gentile.


    Oh one thought the Mormons were the chosen people with the valuated eternal card, because they have accepted the full gospel; unlike other religus organisation.icon_wink.gif

    They also have money and power and good layers.


    Having good layers is important, especially in cold weather.

    Finding a good LAYer is important in ANY weather (to me at least!). icon_twisted.gif

    Meanwhile on the topic:

    Dezi's comments are incomprehensible to me and despite his self-deprecation reprehensible.

    The judge was a gutless wonder.

    And unless these two fathers intended to push this legally knowing the likely outcome would evolve this way they're idiots for not doing their homework in this situation which could ultimately affect the life of their beautiful children.

    How's that for opinionated? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 20, 2014 4:25 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will surely be sorted out through the courts and these guys will eventually get custody. That being said, I'm perplexed as to how the legalities of this was not all worked out prior to moving forward with the surrogacy. Just seems a bit cart before horse to me.


    As the article states, they were aware of other gay couples, including their friends who successfully went through this process with no issues. Come on, Todd. READ! LOL icon_razz.gificon_razz.gif
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    Jun 20, 2014 5:39 PM GMT
    ECnAZ said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will surely be sorted out through the courts and these guys will eventually get custody. That being said, I'm perplexed as to how the legalities of this was not all worked out prior to moving forward with the surrogacy. Just seems a bit cart before horse to me.


    As the article states, they were aware of other gay couples, including their friends who successfully went through this process with no issues. Come on, Todd. READ! LOL icon_razz.gificon_razz.gif



    I read the article, and still came to the same conclusion that maybe the necessary precautions were not in place (and thoroughly researched) before taking the huge step of having kids through a surrogate in a state like Texas. Regardless, I'm sure these two fathers will win this in the end, but what a nightmare of legal red tape to get there.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    ECnAZ said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will surely be sorted out through the courts and these guys will eventually get custody. That being said, I'm perplexed as to how the legalities of this was not all worked out prior to moving forward with the surrogacy. Just seems a bit cart before horse to me.


    As the article states, they were aware of other gay couples, including their friends who successfully went through this process with no issues. Come on, Todd. READ! LOL icon_razz.gificon_razz.gif



    I read the article, and still came to the same conclusion that maybe the necessary precautions were not in place (and thoroughly researched) before taking the huge step of having kids through a surrogate in a state like Texas. Regardless, I'm sure these two fathers will win this in the end, but what a nightmare of legal red tape to get there.


    Yep. Agreed.
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    Jun 20, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
    sad story. hope it works out for them. :/