Eating Meat vs. Not Eating Meat

  • ParkerDLamb

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    Jun 21, 2014 2:34 AM GMT
    Hey everyone,
    Over the years I've been an on and off again vegan, and recently I've been eating a primarily vegetarian diet that includes eggs and some dairy.
    I wanted to ask what your opinions are of eating meat vs not eating meat. I've always heard a lot of conflicting information from both sides of the spectrum- paleolithic eaters, and vegan eaters, who both have a lot of compelling evidence and testimonials that claim the way they eat is superior.

    I personally DO feel great as a vegan and a vegetarian, but I must admit that a large part of my diet includes HEAVILY processed soy products and wheat glutens that are made into imitation meats. I've always had a strange feeling about eating all of these things, regardless of how "natural" and "non-GMO" they claim to be. Part of me thinks I'm possibly doing more harm to my body by consuming these meat imitations than I would be by simply eating real meat.


    What do you think of this? I'm interested in hearing opinions from all across the board.
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    Jun 21, 2014 2:52 AM GMT
    Humans are omnivorous animals. We're also blessed with the unique ability to study what we eat, and make choices.

    My best suggestion is to do your own research and come to your own conclusion. And even after that, you're still free to change your mind as needed.
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    Jun 21, 2014 3:05 AM GMT
    It depends on how processed the products are, some do have quite a bit of sodium content that isn't good overall, so checking labels can be really helpful. The bottom line is, processed food of any kind. That soy goes through quite a process to obtain the texture and flavor, and there are some ingredients in there that you won't get with real meat.

    There are meat eaters who avoid processed food completely, and I think that sort of thinking could apply to a vegan or vegetarian diet.
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    Jun 21, 2014 5:05 AM GMT
    ParkerDLamb saidI've always heard a lot of conflicting information from both sides of the spectrum- paleolithic eaters, and vegan eaters, who both have a lot of compelling evidence and testimonials that claim the way they eat is superior.

    Which I take to mean that neither side knows what they're talking about; it's all just hot air.

    I was vegetarian, then vegan, for several years. I didn't feel any better. I did lose weight, which was my intent. I also stopped eating things with added sugar and made an effort to eat low fat so those two things probably also helped with the weight loss.

    But now I'm back to eating meat; not lots of it, but I don't feel any better or worse than I did when I was vegetarian.

    So listen to your body and don't get caught up in diet fads.
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    Jun 21, 2014 5:10 AM GMT
    You do realize you can be a vegetarian without eating all that processed soy bullshit, right?
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    Jun 21, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    Give me a big juiciy barbaque anytime!

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  • AMoonHawk

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    Jun 21, 2014 5:18 AM GMT
    Lean meats build muscle
  • ParkerDLamb

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    Jun 21, 2014 5:28 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidYou do realize you can be a vegetarian without eating all that processed soy bullshit, right?

    Yes, I do realize that it's possible.
    But I crave meat and I enjoy the texture. So as I said, a large part of my vegetarian diet consists of substitutes.
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    Jun 21, 2014 5:30 AM GMT
    ParkerDLamb said
    Scruffypup saidYou do realize you can be a vegetarian without eating all that processed soy bullshit, right?

    Yes, I do realize that it's possible.
    But I crave meat and I enjoy the texture. So as I said, a large part of my vegetarian diet consists of substitutes.



    Then eat meat. You can eat more veggies than meat anyway.
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    Jun 21, 2014 6:08 AM GMT
    My friend recommended me this documentary called Forks over Knives.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forks_over_Knives

    As I get older, I become more and more health conscious too. Although I can't complete cut meat out of my diets, I try to eat less. Also choose white meat over dark meat (chicken and fish instead of beef and pork). Little by little, I will change my diets. Now I eat brown rice mixed with quinoa instead of all white rice too.

  • Jun 21, 2014 12:13 PM GMT
    Check with me in 20 years or so....I will bet that
    most vegetarians will fare much better than those
    that eat that gross looking barbeque. I now
    avoid meat like tha plague....I will visit the heavy
    meat eaters in the hospital eventually.
  • aax_aax_aax

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    Jun 21, 2014 2:01 PM GMT
    I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat in moderate.
    Those substitutes are unhealthy, but, on the other hand, animals are fed with soy on large scale, and, if you eat processed meat, it's very likely that the meat is mixed with soy once again.. So being vegan or not, if you don't choose what you eat, you'll be eating GMO soy all the time.


    ParkerDLamb saidHey everyone,
    Over the years I've been an on and off again vegan, and recently I've been eating a primarily vegetarian diet that includes eggs and some dairy.
    I wanted to ask what your opinions are of eating meat vs not eating meat. I've always heard a lot of conflicting information from both sides of the spectrum- paleolithic eaters, and vegan eaters, who both have a lot of compelling evidence and testimonials that claim the way they eat is superior.

    I personally DO feel great as a vegan and a vegetarian, but I must admit that a large part of my diet includes HEAVILY processed soy products and wheat glutens that are made into imitation meats. I've always had a strange feeling about eating all of these things, regardless of how "natural" and "non-GMO" they claim to be. Part of me thinks I'm possibly doing more harm to my body by consuming these meat imitations than I would be by simply eating real meat.


    What do you think of this? I'm interested in hearing opinions from all across the board.
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    Jun 21, 2014 2:13 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidLean meats build muscle


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    Well, not exactly correct. You mean protein builds muscle. And believe it or not, protein is found in fruits and vegetables too, only in smaller quantities. I believe our protein "requirements" are grossly overstated due to the influence of large corporations who stand to benefit from us believing this....ie: the meat industry.....the dairy industry....protein powder manufacturers....protein bar and snack producers, etc.
  • PIccadilly

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    Jun 21, 2014 3:36 PM GMT
    I don't eat meat for environmental reasons. So it's not even an "health" issue for me. That's something you should consider when deciding whether or not to eat it.
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    Jun 21, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
    I'm a vegan and I feel so much better than I did when I was a vegetarian. I think that everyone is different, either it'll work for you or it will have an adverse effect on you. I stay away from the soy products because they are heavily processed and there has been complications linked to soy. I usually get my protein from grains, legumes, veggies and fruits. Sticking to a much more natural diet is key ;(
  • metta

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    Jun 21, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    I have been a vegetarian since 1990 (24 years). As with any diet, you need to eat a balanced diet. With a vegetarian diet, it is pretty easy to get enough protein just by eating a variety of healthy foods. A vegan diet, you need to probably watch it more closely.


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    How to Get Protein on a Vegetarian Diet
    http://vegetarian.about.com/od/healthnutrition/tp/protein.htm

    That link does not include it, but dairy can be a good source of protein as well. I eat greek yogurt every day.

    I also occasionally have a protein shake as well. I have tried the vegan ones and have not found any that taste good. So I stick with the vegetarian ones made out of whey and casein. I have tried many of the vegan ones and I just end up throwing them out because I can't stand the taste of them.
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    Jun 21, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
    Like a lot of people I know, I go on and off meat in my diet, just depends on my mood and the changes I want to see in my body.

    Just today, I loaded up my refrigerator at home with fresh produce because I'll be doing meals high in fruits & veggies, and meat about 3x a week, if that.

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    Jun 21, 2014 7:12 PM GMT
    Been a Vegetarian since I was 11 or 12 yrs old. You should be a Vegetarian for the RIGHT & ETHICAL reasons. (Not economical or health nonsense!) icon_rolleyes.gif

    That being said, a side benefit will be feeling great both mentally and physically. But you will never reap the true benefits of being a Vegetarian or Vegan if you don't stick with it for life. icon_idea.gif
  • ASHDOD

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    Jun 21, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
    the only reason i would stop eating meat is for moral reasons,its difficult for me to think of the cruelty in the meat industry [and other options are very very expensive]
    maybe ill get there one day , but i cant give on meat now.
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    Jun 22, 2014 2:41 PM GMT
    The large majority of my diet is meat and vegetables, with things like oatmeal in the morning. Usually my plate is 1/3 meat and 2/3 vegetables.

    The meats I eat are bison, chicken, and fish (I only eat local Alberta meats with the exception of Arctic Char).

    I feel great all the time. The only thing that makes me feel bad is soy, for some reason. I avoid soy like the plague. And sugar, I avoid that too.
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    Jun 22, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
    Talk to professionals such as doctors and dietitians, do your research, and ask a lot of questions.
    There is a consensus that people should eat a well balanced diet from a variety of foods.
    You could choose to be a flexitarian for example and eat smaller portions of proteins while eating a larger variety from the other food groups.
    If you are not eating meat or proteins you may require supplements.

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    Jun 23, 2014 5:21 AM GMT
    isaias_NM saidI'm a vegan and I feel so much better than I did when I was a vegetarian. I think that everyone is different, either it'll work for you or it will have an adverse effect on you. I stay away from the soy products because they are heavily processed and there has been complications linked to soy. I usually get my protein from grains, legumes, veggies and fruits. Sticking to a much more natural diet is key ;(



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    Jun 23, 2014 2:50 PM GMT
    So, this is not an oral sex thread?
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    Jun 23, 2014 3:02 PM GMT
    The Paleo diet gives me the sesativity to sense what foods I should and should not eat . Even foods that are supposed good, sometimes set off the do not eat feeling. Most processed food sets off the do-not-eat feeling. I include meat n my diet and I think I would have trouble working out at my age without it but the ratio is 20 meat to 80 veggies. In other words a whole plate of veggies with 4 oz of meat.
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    Oct 14, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    ParkerDLamb said
    Scruffypup saidYou do realize you can be a vegetarian without eating all that processed soy bullshit, right?

    Yes, I do realize that it's possible.
    But I crave meat and I enjoy the texture. So as I said, a large part of my vegetarian diet consists of substitutes.



    According to Muchmorethanmuscle, you're not a "true vegetarian":

    "No true vegetarian would care that some fake burger tastes like the "real thing."