Jack Thorne, High school state swimming champ in Colorado comes out publicly as gay

  • metta

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    Jun 26, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
    High school state swimming champ in Colorado comes out publicly as gay


    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/high-school-state-swimming-champ-colorado-comes-out-publicly-gay250614
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    Courageous, brave, caring, and empathetic.
    A leader.

    I wish I had somebody like him to look up to when I was a 14 year old who as planning his own suicide. I'm grateful to God that I made it through.
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    Good for him! This'll put my homophobic jerk of a brother-in-law who lives in CO in fits. Nice to see that pool set up for long course, too!
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    Jun 26, 2014 3:02 PM GMT
    Good for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.
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    Jun 26, 2014 3:14 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidGood for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.


    I get what you're saying, but respectfully, I doubt he came out to impress you.
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    I get what you're saying, but respectfully, I doubt he came out to impress you.


    While I realize he didn't come out to impress me specifically; I'm sure he came out with the intention to impress everyone (in general) who hears of it. Otherwise, why do it?

    His intention is to make an impression and made evident by his very words:

    'I'm not doing this for attention, I'm doing this because I want to be able to be myself and I want to be able to help somebody,' he writes. 'I want to be able to be the person that the 14-year-old me didn't have, I want to help that 14-year-old realize that it's going to get better. If I can do that, or if I can change someone's mind about the LGBT community, then this will have been worth it.' [emphasis mine]

    This statement IS what impresses me the most about him. He realizes his public acceptance of himself and its announcement has ramifications for the world/society outside himself and his close circle of family and friends.

    But nice try at trying to be glib. Now when at 27 are you going to have the balls to do what a 16 yo has done and at least show your face on a website that caters to gay men? What's the antonym of courageous? Hummmmmmmm.
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    UndercoverMan saidGood for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.


    And future generations will stand on the shoulders of people like him. I don't really get your point. So he isn't terrified for his life like previous generations would have been. Our society still isn't an all-welcoming safe haven for gay people, at least not in America.

    You're belittling the effort he has put forth to make being gay easier for his peers (notably the younger people). I don't really think it's fair to say, "Well, in the 60's, it was a huge deal being gay." So maybe it was.. what does that have to do with the here and now?

    It would be easy to say "big deal" if we didn't still have gay youth committing suicide and being rejected by their peers, but we do.
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    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.


    And future generations will stand on the shoulders of people like him. I don't really get your point. So he isn't terrified for his life like previous generations would have been. Our society still isn't an all-welcoming safe haven for gay people, at least not in America.

    You're belittling the effort he has put forth to make being gay easier for his peers (notably the younger people). I don't really think it's fair to say, "Well, in the 60's, it was a huge deal being gay." So maybe it was.. what does that have to do with the here and now?

    It would be easy to say "big deal" if we didn't still have gay youth committing suicide and being rejected by their peers, but we do.


    Because he probably would not be able to so easily announce his orientation on Facebook without those early pioneers of the gay rights movement! That's what it has to do with the here and now. And yes he doesn't have to fear for his life as he would in other places and as those did in the early days of the movement in this country.
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    UndercoverMan saidGood for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.

    Liberal Colorado? You're kidding, right? He lives an hour from Denver and within two hours of Focus on the Family headquarters (Colorado Springs, Colorado). Focus on the Family, in case you've forgotten, is one of the most antigay Christian organizations on the planet. It doesn't get less liberal than that...your comparison to West Hollywood is laughable and highly inaccurate. I am extremely impressed by this boy. Guys still lose social capital in high school by coming out and still fight bullying and discrimination from their peers. On a larger scale, men still can't get married in Colorado and the Christian worldview is still very much dominant there. Kansas and perhaps a handful of other states are the only ones that would be worse to be gay in...

    We ALL stand on the shoulders of our predecessors that sacrificed and gave up stuff for us. We ALL live in freedom now because our ancestors went to fight in two massive World Wars, one of which officially started 100 years ago this Saturday with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria. What's your point? Do you or did you see those soldiers telling the LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s that their ability to express their freedoms (as hard as it was) to be themselves without getting shot or sent to a gas chamber was ultimately because of those soldiers' sacrifice in the World Wars? Anyone can play that game. We all owe a debt to our predecessors.
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    Jun 26, 2014 6:18 PM GMT
    And let's not forget, many of those soldiers (who fought in WWI, especially) were no older than this brave man.
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    UndercoverMan saidGood for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.

    Liberal Colorado? You're kidding, right? He lives an hour from Denver and within two hours of Focus on the Family headquarters (Colorado Springs, Colorado). Focus...

    We ALL stand on the shoulders of our predecessors that sacrificed and gave up stuff for us. We ALL live in freedom now because our ancestors went to fight in two massive World Wars, one of which officially started 100 years ago this Saturday with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria. What's your point? Do you or did you see those soldiers telling the LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s that their ability to express their freedoms (as hard as it was) to be themselves without getting shot or sent to a gas chamber was ultimately because of those soldiers' sacrifice in the World Wars? ...


    Everywhere has its pockets of far right, conservatism. FOTF is a national (international?) organization just because it is located in Colorado doesn't make the state less liberal than many other places.

    And you mustn't have Facebook. I'm constantly reminded on FB by WWII veterans and veterans groups in general of the sacrifices they made for subsequent generations to live in freedom.
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    Cool most swimmers are pretty homo...icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif
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    UndercoverMan saidGood for him but he's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who had the courage to be who they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's when it took courage to say I'm gay in the USA - a society that didn't have anti-bullying campaigns at those times in history. He's standing on the shoulders of LGBT individuals who have brought our society to the level of acceptance we enjoy today and even greater acceptance in the future. From the beatniks of the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the gay liberation movement of the 70s, the HIV/AIDS activism of the 80s each successive generation of LGBT persons has had it a bit better because of those pioneers.

    Today being gay in some segments of developed Western societies is almost a badge of honor. Straight people are clamoring to tell everyone they know that they have gay friends and that they are for gay rights and gay marriage. Straight people flock to our bars to hang with us just to show how progressive they are.

    For me, coming out as gay in liberal Colorado in 2014 is a bit underwhelming; akin to standing on a corner in West Hollywood and shouting you're gay. Ain't no one gonna bat an eye. I'd be more impressed if he were from west Texas or rural anywhere USA.

    I wish I had the courage those out and proud LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s had. Those people, my friends, had courage.

    Liberal Colorado? You're kidding, right? He lives an hour from Denver and within two hours of Focus on the Family headquarters (Colorado Springs, Colorado). Focus...

    We ALL stand on the shoulders of our predecessors that sacrificed and gave up stuff for us. We ALL live in freedom now because our ancestors went to fight in two massive World Wars, one of which officially started 100 years ago this Saturday with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria. What's your point? Do you or did you see those soldiers telling the LGBTs of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s that their ability to express their freedoms (as hard as it was) to be themselves without getting shot or sent to a gas chamber was ultimately because of those soldiers' sacrifice in the World Wars? ...


    Everywhere has its pockets of far right, conservatism. FOTF is a national (international?) organization just because it is located in Colorado doesn't make the state less liberal than many other places.

    And you mustn't have Facebook. I'm constantly reminded on FB by WWII veterans and veterans groups in general of the sacrifices they made for subsequent generations to live in freedom.

    I do have Facebook, thanks very much. And sorry, but you're completely out of touch with this generation. This digital era, particularly via social media, makes it impossible for anyone to escape bullying and/or prejudicial speech if one were to so desire to inflict it upon another person. LGBTQ individuals in the past were able to evade a lifetime of harassment in a way that no one can in this day and age once discovered. Are rights better now for LGBTQ people than in the past? Yes. Doesn't mean it's any easier to be non-heterosexual. The only things that have changed are the reasons it's still hard... (you live in New Orleans, a clear LGBTQ haven, so your bias toward thinking it's easy to be gay now is understandable given the bubble you're in)

    I can't imagine going to high school now in general, much less as an openly gay male. It is so much harder to be an adolescent in many ways now than it ever was for any of us. We didn't have our every move recorded in photos, videos, sound bytes, posted on the Internet for anyone to see as they do now. The next generation has some conveniences we didn't at their age, sure, but with those conveniences come a whole lot of challenges we never had to face. Rather than pulling the "back in MY day..." card and being so negative, why don't you celebrate the fact that elite level sport, one of the last areas in which allegedly only heteros were present in the past, is seeing more and more gays participate WHILE competing, as opposed to after retiring? The way we honour previous generations is by making their ceiling our floor and going beyond what they did in their lifetimes. I don't feel guilty that people paved the way for me in the past. I honour them by taking what they've given me and doing more with it. This young man is doing the same, and your belittling him for not living out and proud in the 1950s is asinine.
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    LAXWill10 saidCool most swimmers are pretty homo...icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif


    Correct and I've got stories, but it would take a page or so to detail them and it would positively be NSFW icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
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    I do have Facebook, thanks very much. And sorry, but you're completely out of touch with this generation. This digital era, particularly via social media, makes it impossible for anyone to escape bullying and/or prejudicial speech if one were to so desire to inflict it upon another person. LGBTQ individuals in the past were able to evade a lifetime of harassment in a way that no one can in this day and age once discovered. Are rights better now for LGBTQ people than in the past? Yes. Doesn't mean it's any easier to be non-heterosexual. The only things that have changed are the reasons it's still hard... (you live in New Orleans, a clear LGBTQ haven, so your bias toward thinking it's easy to be gay now is understandable given the bubble you're in)


    Boo hoo some one might post something mean and nasty about you on social media today. That's nothing compared to being arrested (many gay bars were routinely raided and the patrons arrested)and lives/careers ruined as arrests are published in the local paper (the social media of the old days), labeled a sexual deviant, a mental patient (until the early 70s homosexuality was considered a mental disease), and subjected to quack science therapy in an attempt to "cure" you. So don't tell me it's not easier to be gay and out in the USA today.

    I'm in no bubble in thinking it is easier to be gay now in the USA than in the past. It's just a fact. Louisiana and the South are far more conservative than most areas of the country and yet I hold hands, hug, kiss, and touch my boyfriend in public wherever I am (and not just in New Orleans) and do so without fear of arrest, personal injury or death. Do we get stares and the occasional nasty comment? Of course, but I haven't died from any of them yet.

    We are just going to have to agree to disagree.




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    NO ONE CARES.
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    CDAVIS saidNO ONE CARES.


    That's your "contribution"? And your "NO ONE" comes from your election as RJ Union leader, or what????
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    GAMRican saidCourageous, brave, caring, and empathetic.
    A leader.

    I wish I had somebody like him to look up to when I was a 14 year old who as planning his own suicide. I'm grateful to God that I made it through.


    I'm sure god had nothing to do with it.

    But reading things like your statement fills me with pride for coming out in the 1960's before I was even a teenager, and a time when most men hid away saying nothing.

    But even straight youth contemplate death.
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    Teens everywhere are making a difference:

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    Jun 27, 2014 12:47 PM GMT
    Good for Jack - this is his time and it's as significant to him as it was to others who came before whether or not it was more significant in society then than now. Glad to have him aboard! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 27, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
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    I get what you're saying, but respectfully, I doubt he came out to impress you.


    While I realize he didn't come out to impress me specifically; I'm sure he came out with the intention to impress everyone (in general) who hears of it. Otherwise, why do it?

    His intention is to make an impression and made evident by his very words:

    'I'm not doing this for attention, I'm doing this because I want to be able to be myself and I want to be able to help somebody,' he writes. 'I want to be able to be the person that the 14-year-old me didn't have, I want to help that 14-year-old realize that it's going to get better. If I can do that, or if I can change someone's mind about the LGBT community, then this will have been worth it.' [emphasis mine]

    This statement IS what impresses me the most about him. He realizes his public acceptance of himself and its announcement has ramifications for the world/society outside himself and his close circle of family and friends.

    But nice try at trying to be glib. Now when at 27 are you going to have the balls to do what a 16 yo has done and at least show your face on a website that caters to gay men? What's the antonym of courageous? Hummmmmmmm.


    Jesus fucking Christ. You're not even worth it.
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    LAXWill10 saidCool most swimmers are pretty homo...icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif


    Correct and I've got stories, but it would take a page or so to detail them and it would positively be NSFW icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif


    Guys, put aside the wishful thinking and accept that MANY but not MOST swimmers are "pretty homo," at least based on my experience swimming HS, college, and Masters. Still, that's good enough for me!icon_cool.gif
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    freedomisntfree said
    LAXWill10 saidCool most swimmers are pretty homo...icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif


    Correct and I've got stories, but it would take a page or so to detail them and it would positively be NSFW icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif


    Guys, put aside the wishful thinking and accept that MANY but not MOST swimmers are "pretty homo," at least based on my experience swimming HS, college, and Masters. Still, that's good enough for me!icon_cool.gif


    Most were at least queerious and available for a little locker room fun.
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    SuntoryTime said
    UndercoverMan said
    SuntoryTime said
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    But nice try at trying to be glib. Now when at 27 are you going to have the balls to do what a 16 yo has done and at least show your face on a website that caters to gay men? What's the antonym of courageous? Hummmmmmmm.


    Jesus fucking Christ. You're not even worth it.


    That's right. Keep running scared.
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    Jun 27, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    MGINSD said
    freedomisntfree said
    LAXWill10 saidCool most swimmers are pretty homo...icon_biggrin.gificon_lol.gif


    Correct and I've got stories, but it would take a page or so to detail them and it would positively be NSFW icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif


    Guys, put aside the wishful thinking and accept that MANY but not MOST swimmers are "pretty homo," at least based on my experience swimming HS, college, and Masters. Still, that's good enough for me!icon_cool.gif


    Most were at least queerious and available for a little locker room fun.

    I played 4 sports in school and 2 at university at different times and a TON of the guys I played with I PLAYED with at one time or another. To my knowledge less than 5% were or are gay. Many were just fucking horny some were experimenting. And there was often alcohol and endorphin rushes involved. Don't know if that means "most" are "pretty homo" or not. I think a lot of young guys tried a lot of things when they're young and probably the REAL "homos" mostly didn't and were scared because they WERE "homos" and didn't until later when they were comfortable or desperate.