Mexican Supreme Court rules against same-sex marriage ban

  • metta

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    Jun 27, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    Mexican Supreme Court rules against same-sex marriage ban


    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/06/25/mexican-supreme-court-rules-sex-marriage-ban/



    http://purpleunions.com/blog/2014/06/mexican-supreme-court-strikes-baja-california-marriage-equality-ban.html
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    Jun 27, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
    Mexico...leading the way in Tequila, Tecate, and Equality.

    Maybe there's a link between the three? I sure had a great time there. icon_wink.gif
  • Sportsfan1

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    Jun 28, 2014 1:44 PM GMT
    This is outstanding! Thank you Metta for once again giving me some very good news. I am not surprised. In Mexico there has always been a distinction between "civil" marriage and a religious ceremony. In fact you have to be married by a civil ceremony prior to a religious ceremony to be legally married in Mexico. The Mexican Supreme Court is ruling correctly that to deny same-sex couples that legal right is unequal and unlawful. Viva Mexico!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 28, 2014 1:48 PM GMT
    Awesome news from our neighbor to the south, Mexicoicon_biggrin.gif Now if only our most religiously conservative southern states would take notes and realize how wrong and backward they really are on this issue, especially Texas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.
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    Sportsfan1 saidThis is outstanding! Thank you Metta for once again giving me some very good news. I am not surprised. In Mexico there has always been a distinction between "civil" marriage and a religious ceremony. In fact you have to be married by a civil ceremony prior to a religious ceremony to be legally married in Mexico. The Mexican Supreme Court is ruling correctly that to deny same-sex couples that legal right is unequal and unlawful. Viva Mexico!

    Actually, in the US ALL marriages are also civil ceremonies. That's why a marriage license from the government is required, even when the service is performed in a church or synagogue.

    The clergy are authorized by the respective States to conduct the ceremony. But it is still civil, even with all the religious trappings. The religious part is an add-on, but not essential to making the marriage legal.

    This is the myth that US Conservative Christians want to promote. That marriage belongs to them exclusively, and they get to define it, according to their interpretation of the Bible.

    That's totally false. Every legal marriage in the US is a State-approved civil ceremony, whether it's conducted by authorized clergy or not. A marriage in a judge's chambers is every bit as legal as a big church wedding.

    On the other hand, if a marriage ceremony is conducted in a church, without a State marriage license, and by clergy to whom the State has not delegated the authority, it's not a legal marriage. But the Right Wing Conservative Christians don't want you to know that. They've got the US public convinced that only they can define marriage according to their religious tenets, and only they have the authority to marry.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 28, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    Awesome news.
    As happy as I am for the many nations of the world who are embracing marriage equality, it makes me sad that our own country is so far behind.
    America used to be a world leader in civil rights, but unfortunately conservatives are dragging our country down and doing everything they can to fight justice and block progress.
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    Jun 28, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    Viva méxico!!! It is great to see a good change within their law system!
  • Joeyphx444

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    Jun 29, 2014 2:41 AM GMT
    The words Mexican and Supreme together remind me of burrito supremes mmmm
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    Jun 29, 2014 12:03 PM GMT
    Oh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.
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    Jun 29, 2014 12:35 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.
    Illegals won't stop crossing the borders till farmers stop farming, chicken houses shut down, and people start cleaning their own houses.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 29, 2014 12:42 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.
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    Jun 29, 2014 1:07 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.
    The US needs to follow the footsteps of our southern neighbor by permanently declaring ourselves as anti-clerical and strictly enforcing the separation of church and state. Obviously all the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS will scream persecution and threaten lawsuits at taxpayer expense.
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    Jun 29, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    Nice.

    Now hopefully they will educate their "soccer" fans. Go home to the homophobes!!! Karma? icon_cool.gif

    Congrats Netherlands!!!
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    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.


    Illegals from all over Central America come through Mexico to get to the US.

    As for that last part, do you know how fascist that is?
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jun 30, 2014 2:30 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.


    Illegals from all over Central America come through Mexico to get to the US.

    As for that last part, do you know how fascist that is?


    Damn. So in another post you told me I'm "not very smart"; and now you say my view of secularism is "fascist". So I thought to myself, I thought, "I better read this guy's profile, what he wants everyone here to know about him, so I, TOO, can learn how to be a "smart, non-fascist" like him."

    1) You've read... "a" book. You quote extensively from this "one" book. Looks like "a" book aimed at what is called "the general reader." Advice: "A little learning is a dangerous thing;/Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring." (Alexander Pope, "Essay on Criticism", Part II).

    2) Your screed on Matthew Shepherd is so typical of your self-hating ilk that I went straight to your core "question": "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime if the perpetrator and victim not only knew each other but also had sex together, bought drugs from one another, and partied together?" Not.... at.... all.

    3) Your heroes (or at least those you want us all to know you admire, obviously):

    3.1) Trey Gowdy, most conservative member of the Cong.Del. from... South Carolina. OK. He has the most laughably backward pose on immigration of any member of congress. He wants his new bill to deputize local and state police to enforce immigration law. He's supposed to be a lawyer, so he, as you, should try to keep up with the law. SCOTUS has ALREADY ruled that that won't work (cf. Arizona vs United States, 567 US__ (2012), Docket Nos. 11-182).

    3.2) Walter Block: "Slavery was not so bad - you pick cotton and sing songs." Blacks and women are paid less because they are "less productive." Historical injustices towards blacks have political correct explanations, and politically incorrect ones, which he accepts, i.e., that "BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQs". Hmm, I think that's enough of good ole Walter.

    3.3) Oh look, here's the daddy of all self-hating gays, Jack Donovan, another faux intellectual fool who made money selling his wares to... other faux intellectual fools..

    Like you.

    And I'm the "not smart fascist"????




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    Joeyphx444 saidThe words Mexican and Supreme together remind me of burrito supremes mmmm


    You didn't just said that !!icon_eek.gif
    (you made my day dude) LOL
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    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.


    Illegals from all over Central America come through Mexico to get to the US.

    As for that last part, do you know how fascist that is?


    Damn. So in another post you told me I'm "not very smart"; and now you say my view of secularism is "fascist". So I thought to myself, I thought, "I better read this guy's profile, what he wants everyone here to know about him, so I, TOO, can learn how to be a "smart, non-fascist" like him."

    1) You've read... "a" book. You quote extensively from this "one" book. Looks like "a" book aimed at what is called "the general reader." Advice: "A little learning is a dangerous thing;/Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring." (Alexander Pope, "Essay on Criticism", Part II).

    2) Your screed on Matthew Shepherd is so typical of your self-hating ilk that I went straight to your core "question": "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime if the perpetrator and victim not only knew each other but also had sex together, bought drugs from one another, and partied together?" Not.... at.... all.

    3) Your heroes (or at least those you want us all to know you admire, obviously):

    3.1) Trey Gowdy, most conservative member of the Cong.Del. from... South Carolina. OK. He has the most laughably backward pose on immigration of any member of congress. He wants his new bill to deputize local and state police to enforce immigration law. He's supposed to be a lawyer, so he, as you, should try to keep up with the law. SCOTUS has ALREADY ruled that that won't work (cf. Arizona vs United States, 567 US__ (2012), Docket Nos. 11-182).

    3.2) Walter Block: "Slavery was not so bad - you pick cotton and sing songs." Blacks and women are paid less because they are "less productive." Historical injustices towards blacks have political correct explanations, and politically incorrect ones, which he accepts, i.e., that "BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQs". Hmm, I think that's enough of good ole Walter.

    3.3) Oh look, here's the daddy of all self-hating gays, Jack Donovan, another faux intellectual fool who made money selling his wares to... other faux intellectual fools..

    Like you.

    And I'm the "not smart fascist"????






    Awesome. I reside in your head, rent-free.

    No, my good ass, I like to hear from others who do not swallow and/or spew the Leftist party line.

    As for Matthew Shepard, you miss the point entirely. "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime...? You're right, it doesn't. But it does color our understanding of the tactics of the Left. One big lie, blown up into a sacred myth, and woe to the one who questions the received narrative.

    Ellen DeGeneres cried and cursed, after all. If the myth is toppled, then all her outbursts will have been in vain.

    On the other guys: There is enough laughability to go around. Look to our sorry-ass President for that. Just today he bitched about immigration, saying "Congress should act."

    It was Obama himself (via Janet Napolitano, when she found time to emerge from the bowling alley) who insisted not long ago that "the border is completely secure."

    So he wants Congress to "pass a bill." Unfortunately, the only bill that can or should be passed is one that locks the border tight, and immediately. He won't like that one fucking bit.

    Also, did you hear that asshole the other day when he said we should be more like France? Fucking France? "If France can figure it out, why can't we?"

    Figure what out? How to achieve 10% overall unemployment? and unemployment of about 22% for youth?

    And let's take a trip down memory lane, when the idiot told an adoring and stupidly credulous Ann Curry that "There are structural issues with our economy -- we've got these ATM's and airport kiosks" that have eliminated jobs.

    WTF? "Structural issues"? What kind of "structure" does he want? Here's an idea: Let's outlaw the use of electricity, that will certainly put millions to work.

    For shovel ready projects, forbid workers to use any mechanized equipment, or even shovels - make them use spoons. Talk about full employment - good times.

    You can find fault with any public figure, that's legitimate. But you fail to look right up at our Dear Leader, whom you practically worship. He's one incredible dumbfuck.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 01, 2014 12:31 AM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.


    Illegals from all over Central America come through Mexico to get to the US.

    As for that last part, do you know how fascist that is?


    Damn. So in another post you told me I'm "not very smart"; and now you say my view of secularism is "fascist". So I thought to myself, I thought, "I better read this guy's profile, what he wants everyone here to know about him, so I, TOO, can learn how to be a "smart, non-fascist" like him."

    1) You've read... "a" book. You quote extensively from this "one" book. Looks like "a" book aimed at what is called "the general reader." Advice: "A little learning is a dangerous thing;/Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring." (Alexander Pope, "Essay on Criticism", Part II).

    2) Your screed on Matthew Shepherd is so typical of your self-hating ilk that I went straight to your core "question": "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime if the perpetrator and victim not only knew each other but also had sex together, bought drugs from one another, and partied together?" Not.... at.... all.

    3) Your heroes (or at least those you want us all to know you admire, obviously):

    3.1) Trey Gowdy, most conservative member of the Cong.Del. from... South Carolina. OK. He has the most laughably backward pose on immigration of any member of congress. He wants his new bill to deputize local and state police to enforce immigration law. He's supposed to be a lawyer, so he, as you, should try to keep up with the law. SCOTUS has ALREADY ruled that that won't work (cf. Arizona vs United States, 567 US__ (2012), Docket Nos. 11-182).

    3.2) Walter Block: "Slavery was not so bad - you pick cotton and sing songs." Blacks and women are paid less because they are "less productive." Historical injustices towards blacks have political correct explanations, and politically incorrect ones, which he accepts, i.e., that "BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQs". Hmm, I think that's enough of good ole Walter.

    3.3) Oh look, here's the daddy of all self-hating gays, Jack Donovan, another faux intellectual fool who made money selling his wares to... other faux intellectual fools..

    Like you.

    And I'm the "not smart fascist"????






    Awesome. I reside in your head, rent-free.

    No, my good ass, I like to hear from others who do not swallow and/or spew the Leftist party line.

    As for Matthew Shepard, you miss the point entirely. "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime...? You're right, it doesn't. But it does color our understanding of the tactics of the Left. One big lie, blown up into a sacred myth, and woe to the one who questions the received narrative.

    Ellen DeGeneres cried and cursed, after all. If the myth is toppled, then all her outbursts will have been in vain.

    On the other guys: There is enough laughability to go around. Look to our sorry-ass President for that. Just today he bitched about immigration, saying "Congress should act."

    It was Obama himself (via Janet Napolitano, when she found time to emerge from the bowling alley) who insisted not long ago that "the border is completely secure."

    So he wants Congress to "pass a bill." Unfortunately, the only bill that can or should be passed is one that locks the border tight, and immediately. He won't like that one fucking bit.

    Also, did you hear that asshole the other day when he said we should be more like France? Fucking France? "If France can figure it out, why can't we?"

    Figure what out? How to achieve 10% overall unemployment? and unemployment of about 22% for youth?

    And let's take a trip down memory lane, when the idiot told an adoring and stupidly credulous Ann Curry that "There are structural issues with our economy -- we've got these ATM's and airport kiosks" that have eliminated jobs.

    WTF? "Structural issues"? What kind of "structure" does he want? Here's an idea: Let's outlaw the use of electricity, that will certainly put millions to work.

    For shovel ready projects, forbid workers to use any mechanized equipment, or even shovels - make them use spoons. Talk about full employment - good times.

    You can find fault with any public figure, that's legitimate. But you fail to look right up at our Dear Leader, whom you practically worship. He's one incredible dumbfuck.


    As I said, que te vaya muy bonito.
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    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Jack_NNJ saidOh goody. This should reduce the numbers of illegals coming across our border.


    MEXICAN immigration to the United States is at NET ZERO (there are as many U.S. citizens going to live in Mexico as there are Mexicans coming to live in the United States). But as usual, what does a "fact" matter, right?

    And on topic, we forget that Mexico is a formally "anti-clerical state" (as "Catholic" as it is). If the Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City said anything related to politics outside of his little pulpit, he'd be arrested on the spot for interfering with the "secular political discourse of the people." What I wouldn't give to see U.S. actually be true to our "separation of church and state" in the same way.


    Illegals from all over Central America come through Mexico to get to the US.

    As for that last part, do you know how fascist that is?


    Damn. So in another post you told me I'm "not very smart"; and now you say my view of secularism is "fascist". So I thought to myself, I thought, "I better read this guy's profile, what he wants everyone here to know about him, so I, TOO, can learn how to be a "smart, non-fascist" like him."

    1) You've read... "a" book. You quote extensively from this "one" book. Looks like "a" book aimed at what is called "the general reader." Advice: "A little learning is a dangerous thing;/Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring." (Alexander Pope, "Essay on Criticism", Part II).

    2) Your screed on Matthew Shepherd is so typical of your self-hating ilk that I went straight to your core "question": "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime if the perpetrator and victim not only knew each other but also had sex together, bought drugs from one another, and partied together?" Not.... at.... all.

    3) Your heroes (or at least those you want us all to know you admire, obviously):

    3.1) Trey Gowdy, most conservative member of the Cong.Del. from... South Carolina. OK. He has the most laughably backward pose on immigration of any member of congress. He wants his new bill to deputize local and state police to enforce immigration law. He's supposed to be a lawyer, so he, as you, should try to keep up with the law. SCOTUS has ALREADY ruled that that won't work (cf. Arizona vs United States, 567 US__ (2012), Docket Nos. 11-182).

    3.2) Walter Block: "Slavery was not so bad - you pick cotton and sing songs." Blacks and women are paid less because they are "less productive." Historical injustices towards blacks have political correct explanations, and politically incorrect ones, which he accepts, i.e., that "BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQs". Hmm, I think that's enough of good ole Walter.

    3.3) Oh look, here's the daddy of all self-hating gays, Jack Donovan, another faux intellectual fool who made money selling his wares to... other faux intellectual fools..

    Like you.

    And I'm the "not smart fascist"????






    Awesome. I reside in your head, rent-free.

    No, my good ass, I like to hear from others who do not swallow and/or spew the Leftist party line.

    As for Matthew Shepard, you miss the point entirely. "And how does it color our understanding of such a crime...? You're right, it doesn't. But it does color our understanding of the tactics of the Left. One big lie, blown up into a sacred myth, and woe to the one who questions the received narrative.

    Ellen DeGeneres cried and cursed, after all. If the myth is toppled, then all her outbursts will have been in vain.

    On the other guys: There is enough laughability to go around. Look to our sorry-ass President for that. Just today he bitched about immigration, saying "Congress should act."

    It was Obama himself (via Janet Napolitano, when she found time to emerge from the bowling alley) who insisted not long ago that "the border is completely secure."

    So he wants Congress to "pass a bill." Unfortunately, the only bill that can or should be passed is one that locks the border tight, and immediately. He won't like that one fucking bit.

    Also, did you hear that asshole the other day when he said we should be more like France? Fucking France? "If France can figure it out, why can't we?"

    Figure what out? How to achieve 10% overall unemployment? and unemployment of about 22% for youth?

    And let's take a trip down memory lane, when the idiot told an adoring and stupidly credulous Ann Curry that "There are structural issues with our economy -- we've got these ATM's and airport kiosks" that have eliminated jobs.

    WTF? "Structural issues"? What kind of "structure" does he want? Here's an idea: Let's outlaw the use of electricity, that will certainly put millions to work.

    For shovel ready projects, forbid workers to use any mechanized equipment, or even shovels - make them use spoons. Talk about full employment - good times.

    You can find fault with any public figure, that's legitimate. But you fail to look right up at our Dear Leader, whom you practically worship. He's one incredible dumbfuck.


    As I said, que te vaya muy bonito.


    You offer nothing of any intellectual value.