Men's rights

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    Jun 28, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    I was just wondering, since this site is for gay men, if you guys care/are aware about men's issues, since there isn't much talk about it on here. Also, I was wondering if you actually take feminism seriously?


















  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 12:00 AM GMT
    lol men's rights

    considering what men have done to women over the past 10,000 years, a few women have a right to be pissed off
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    Jun 29, 2014 12:24 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol men's rights

    considering what men have done to women over the past 10,000 years, a few women have a right to be pissed off


    I guess by that logic I as a black person can do whatever horrible things I want to white people, right?

    I'd rather not get into a large discussion about, what I'm sure you have been taught to believe "men have done to women" by feminist, but I would encourage you, and anyone else participating in this thread to thoroughly research history outside of feminist indoctrination. Karen Straughan, Erin Pizzey, and Warren Farrell will be able to teach a lot. Feel free to research what they say if you feel so inclined.

    I only made this post after sitting in a Women's Studies course and listening to the incredibly misleading statistics, false facts, and quite frankly, sexist statements which compelled me to check things out for myself.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 3:01 AM GMT
    ^^

    so which of your manly rights are being infringed upon exactly?
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    Jun 29, 2014 3:13 AM GMT
    Women's Rights:
    -You have the right to practice the silent treatment.
    -Anything you say is law, and the books will be changed accordingly if needed.
    -You have the right to consult an attorney at your spouse's expense.
    -If you cannot afford an attorney, you shouldn't have married the broke bastard (or bitch) in the first place.
    -If you decide to answer any questions before speaking to an attorney, I'll think you're a brain dead crack whore.
    -Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to have sex with me so we can avoid this whole jail thing?

    Men's Rights:
    -You have the right to remain silent when questioned.
    -Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
    -You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future.
    -If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning, if you wish.
    -If you decide to answer any questions now, without an attorney present, you will still have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney.
    -Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present?
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    Jun 29, 2014 3:59 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidWomen's Rights:
    -Anything you say is law, and the books will be changed accordingly if needed.

    This is especially true with rape laws favoring the accuser.
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    Jun 29, 2014 4:14 AM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    so which of your manly rights are being infringed upon exactly?


    Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody

    as well as other issues concerning:

    Health
    Education
    Paternity Fraud
    Anti-male media bias
    Recognition of false accusations of domestic violence/rape/etc

    but I'm getting the feeling none of this matters to you guys. I guess the world really doesn't want equality.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 5:02 AM GMT
    "Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no
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    Jun 29, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    tj85016 said"Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no

    The whole "male power" narrative is largely a myth.
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    Jun 29, 2014 5:38 AM GMT
    tj85016 said"Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no


    No, I'm actually quite clear of mind.

    Both men and women have been forced into marriage.

    Men have had circumcision forced on them, sometimes resulting in the entire penis being cut off. And it still happens.

    Men couldn't vote too. When they did get to, it was only because they were rich (2%) and paid taxes to do so. The middle class men fought in war and were allowed to vote only as an afterthought. Oh, and conscription was forced as well, which is was never forced on women. Women did get the right to vote and all they did was ask for it, no obligation required. The only reason they didn't get it sooner, was because other women opposed the right to vote because they were afraid they would have to fight in war too, which they didn't.

    I really hope you're not under the impression that men weren't in the same positions as a concubine too.

    Men were not treated as property? I guess you don't know how men have historically been nothing but protectors and providers for women. What do you call it when males can just be thrown into war? What do you call it when males work to the point where their health and life deteriorates so their wives can stay at home they do not pay for, with resources provided, to raise their child? I call that treating males as a disposable financial object.

    Yeah, men don't give birth, cause they can't.

    Interesting how you seem to not want to acknowledge men's suffering, even though you are one.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    meh I think you just have issues with women, I really haven;t suffered at their hands
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    Jun 29, 2014 5:54 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidmeh I think you just have issues with women, I really haven;t suffered at their hands


    You think I have issues with women because I care about men's rights? My rights? Do you also think because I care about gay rights, I have a problem with straight people? Do you think because I care about my rights for blacks, I have a problem with white people?
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    Jun 29, 2014 6:04 AM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    tj85016 said"Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no

    The whole "male power" narrative is largely a myth.


    This is what I'm starting to find out as I check out the facts for myself. My professor told the class that only men commit domestic violence (DV), even though study after study shows that both men and woman commit DV. Many studies even show it's women that are more likely to initiate DV. She even said 99% of rape in America is committed by men. When another guy in class asked where she got such an inflated statistic, she responded, "Prison". I'm like, "Does this teacher even know how to use statistics?"
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 6:28 AM GMT
    ^^

    well then your professor is a dope

    the NOW movement didn't do anything different to right certain injustices than say Thomas Paine, Stokely Carmichael, Dr King, or Mandela did - they changed things (mostly for the better)
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 29, 2014 2:12 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    tj85016 said"Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no

    The whole "male power" narrative is largely a myth.
    Exactly, the law has become quite discriminatory over the past several years in regards to divorce, child custody, and now these anti-rape statutes. Just because a woman screams rape doesn't necessarily mean a violent crime was committed against her. Some of these women are power hungry, vindictive whores with a chip on their shoulders and our stupid politicians are listening to all this nonsense which is resulting in discriminatory laws on the basis of gender which are basically unconstitutional. But many American men have become so uninvolved with the judicial and political systems that they just don't seem to care until the problem lands on their doorstep.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 2:20 PM GMT
    ^^

    yeah right, I bet try to prosecute a rape case in 1935 was a real fucking barrel of laughs, much less a women running for Congress

    so cry all you whiny men
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 29, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    yeah right, I bet try to prosecute a rape case in 1935 was a real fucking barrel of laughs, much less a women running for Congress

    so cry all you whiny men
    That was 1935, this is 2014. You need to get out of the past and come into todays day and age. Everything has changed tremendously since than and not all for the better as evidenced by the increasingly discriminatory nature of some of our laws.
  • tj85016

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    Jun 29, 2014 3:02 PM GMT
    ^^^

    awwww, men have suffered so much at the hands of women over the centuries, maybe some should get a taste of their own bullshit for a change
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 29, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^^

    awwww, men have suffered so much at the hands of women over the centuries, maybe some should get a taste of their own bullshit for a change
    That was back then, this is now. You need to get out of the past and focus on today's day and age. You are starting to sound like some of those radical feminists and the EXTREMIST LIBERAL HENS here on RJ.
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    Jun 29, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    I dunno, I'm very conflicted on this topic. All humans should have the same rights, regardless of gender, or any other factors. Like for instance with us GLBT, regarding our sexual orientation.

    I'm respectful of women, in an outward way, because that's how I was raised. I open doors for them, I stand up at the table when they approach, I pull out their chair and help them sit down. If I failed to do those somewhat outdated things I would be crass and boorish, just a generational reflex I cannot escape.

    But I have no interest in women. Only rarely does one open her mouth and something intelligent comes out, and then I'll listen. But most times it's just babbling nonsense.

    Granted, a lot of men are no better, especially the young ones in the US today, pathetically undereducated, and I'll ignore them, too. But with most women ignorance is endemic.

    I'm reminded of the very wealthy & otherwise well-educated woman who asked me at a private musicale & dinner how long it was before a gay man, like me, contracted AIDS. icon_eek.gif

    And I can give countless other examples of female idiocy like this. I feel like I'm always dealing with 4-year-olds.

    Of course the few exceptions are inspiring. I'll once again be supporting Hillary Clinton if she runs in 2016. She smarter & tougher than most 6 men combined.

    So I respect feminism as a human rights issue, and as a gentlemanly matter of good manners. But when most women open their mouths I cover my ears. icon_razz.gif
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    Jun 29, 2014 4:09 PM GMT
    The patriarchy only benefits the most privileged 10% of so of men, which I think a lot of people forget. I support feminism as well as men's rights (as an ever increasing majority of feminists do).
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    Jun 29, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    Ohno saidThe patriarchy only benefits the most privileged 10% of so of men, which I think a lot of people forget. I support feminism as well as men's rights (as an ever increasing majority of feminists do).

    There is no such thing as "patriarchy" in the US.
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    Jun 29, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
    Art_Deco - I find it confusing how you can speak of “female idiocy” but say Hillary Clinton is an exception. She believes, “Women have always been the primary victims of war”. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but the men, who fought, were shot at, were blown up, lost their limbs, and developed shell shock/ptsd were the primary victims of war. I cannot take anyone seriously who believes otherwise.

    Ohno – Patriarchy” doesn’t exist.


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    Jun 29, 2014 6:51 PM GMT
    Jessie_polk saidArt_Deco - I find it confusing how you can speak of “female idiocy” but say Hillary Clinton is an exception. She believes, “Women have always been the primary victims of war”. I'm sorry if you disagree with me, but the men, who fought, were shot at, were blown up, lost their limbs, and developed shell shock/ptsd were the primary victims of war. I cannot take anyone seriously who believes otherwise.

    Ohno – Patriarchy” doesn’t exist.


    I don't understand why Art keeps covering up by making exceptions for Hillary Clinton. That woman is a power hungry, vindictive whore who is just out for her own self aggrandizement. She is totally unfit for the office of US President. She just says things that people love to hear just to get her way. Later on she just stabs everyone in the back and completely changes her position. The democrats would do best by selecting anyone but Hillary for the democratic Presidential ticket in 2016.
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    Jul 01, 2014 1:19 AM GMT
    tj85016 said"Reproductive rights
    Right to bodily integrity
    Right to due process
    Right to fair prison sentencing
    Right to unbiased Family Court Laws concerning alimony, child support, and child custody"

    what? are you high?

    were you ever

    forced into an arranged marriage? no
    forced to have clitoral circumcision? no
    couldn't vote? no
    forced into a concubine? no
    treated as property for 6000 years? no
    forced to bear a child you didn't want? no


    Show me a woman that appears to be 6000 years old.







    Oh, wait, Hillary Clinton.