Anti-Gay Catholic Archbishop John Nienstedt Investigated For Sexual Misconduct With Men

  • metta

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    Jul 01, 2014 11:13 PM GMT
    Anti-Gay Catholic Archbishop John Nienstedt Investigated For Sexual Misconduct With Men


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking_anti_gay_catholic_archbishop_investigated_for_sexual_misconduct_with_men
  • wild_sky360

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    Jul 01, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    Thank you Archbishop, for doing your part to help crumble one of the most evil and corrupt institutions of the world. Hopefully you'll inspire many more to step up and speed up the process.
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    Jul 02, 2014 9:49 AM GMT
    " investigators have received about ten sworn statements alleging sexual impropriety on the part of the archbishop "

    he also stands accused of retaliating against those who refused his advances or otherwise questioned his conduct.”

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    Jul 02, 2014 9:56 AM GMT
    " a Catholic mother wrote to him pleading for acceptance for her gay son.

    He recommended she consult the Catechism.

    Your eternal salvation may well depend upon a conversation of heart on this topic,” he replied."




    I want to believe in that 'Special Place in HELL' for this archbishop.
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:16 AM GMT
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  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 8:12 PM GMT

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

    Matthew 23:27
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    Jul 02, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
    Well, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWell, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.


    Francis is laicizing an archbishop who was nuncio to the DomRep for paying for rent boys. I think those days of getting sanctuary, so to speak, at the Vatican are over.
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    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco saidWell, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.


    Francis is laicizing an archbishop who was nuncio to the DomRep for paying for rent boys. I think those days of getting sanctuary, so to speak, at the Vatican are over.

    We'll see. When anyone really high ranking actually gets turned over to civil authorities for legal prosecution, rather than just suffers internal Church punishment.

    The Vatican's medieval belief that Church privilege trumps civil authority, that ecclesiastical law is superior to civil law, still exists. It caused the fatal rift between Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Henry II of England, over 900 years ago. And the Church still thinks that way.
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    Jul 02, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco saidWell, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.


    Francis is laicizing an archbishop who was nuncio to the DomRep for paying for rent boys. I think those days of getting sanctuary, so to speak, at the Vatican are over.

    We'll see. When anyone really high ranking actually gets turned over to civil authorities for legal prosecution, rather than just suffers internal Church punishment.

    The Vatican's medieval belief that Church privilege trumps civil authority, that ecclesiastical law is superior to civil law, still exists. It caused the fatal rift between Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Henry II of England, over 900 years ago. And the Church still thinks that way.


    You clearly don't know any Jesuits, like Francis, and my oldest brother.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 02, 2014 10:59 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    The Vatican's medieval belief that Church privilege trumps civil authority, that ecclesiastical law is superior to civil law, still exists. It caused the fatal rift between Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Henry II of England, over 900 years ago. And the Church still thinks that way.


    That's evident in how nowadays they claim that child sex abuse investigations weren't considered a civil matter that required police involvement.

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
    This is old news, from an old post. Nobody is defending what these pigs did. But if you don't want to give credit to a good man, who is different from them, "trying", in an enormously entrenched bureaucracy, to change this, that says more about your faith in humanity than it does about this pope's. And again, I'm as militant an atheist as you'll find.
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    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco saidWell, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.

    Francis is laicizing an archbishop who was nuncio to the DomRep for paying for rent boys. I think those days of getting sanctuary, so to speak, at the Vatican are over.

    We'll see. When anyone really high ranking actually gets turned over to civil authorities for legal prosecution, rather than just suffers internal Church punishment.

    The Vatican's medieval belief that Church privilege trumps civil authority, that ecclesiastical law is superior to civil law, still exists. It caused the fatal rift between Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Henry II of England, over 900 years ago. And the Church still thinks that way.

    You clearly don't know any Jesuits, like Francis, and my oldest brother.

    No, I was just taught by Jesuits, in private boys prep school (high school) beginning when I was 14 in 1963. You're right, I don't know anything about them at all. Cruelest & most abusive men of young boys I've ever encountered in my life. Slapped us, hit us, punished us in the most creative ways. When I later enlisted in the US Army no Drill Sergeant ever terrified as much as a Jesuit. icon_mad.gif
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco saidWell, perhaps he'll flee to the Vatican, as Cardinal Law of Boston did, where he can't be extradited back to the US.

    Francis is laicizing an archbishop who was nuncio to the DomRep for paying for rent boys. I think those days of getting sanctuary, so to speak, at the Vatican are over.

    We'll see. When anyone really high ranking actually gets turned over to civil authorities for legal prosecution, rather than just suffers internal Church punishment.

    The Vatican's medieval belief that Church privilege trumps civil authority, that ecclesiastical law is superior to civil law, still exists. It caused the fatal rift between Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Henry II of England, over 900 years ago. And the Church still thinks that way.

    You clearly don't know any Jesuits, like Francis, and my oldest brother.

    No, I was just taught by Jesuits, in private boys prep school (high school) beginning when I was 14 in 1963. You're right, I don't know anything about them at all. Cruelest & most abusive men of young boys I've ever encountered in my life. icon_mad.gif


    You ignominious lying little fuck.
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
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    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.


    You ignominious lying little fuck.
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.


    Which Jesuit prep, name it, and what was "done" to you there, you unfaltering victim?
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:15 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.

    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Well, deny all you like. It was right across the Hudson River from you. St. Peter's Preparatory School in New Jersey.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.

    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Well, deny all you like. It was right across the Hudson River from you. St. Peter's Preparatory School in New Jersey.


    And what was DONE to you there, for you to make such a sweeping indictment of Jesuits?
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.


    "Cruelest & most abusive men of young boys I've ever encountered in my life."

    Come on, I'm waiting, you little liar. I not only know St Peter's, I've spoken there, and know every Jesuit who teaches there. Let's have it, I'll "help" you Art... 1963 you say?? What was DONE to you there??
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.

    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Well, deny all you like. It was right across the Hudson River from you. St. Peter's Preparatory School in New Jersey.

    And what was DONE to you there, for you to make such a sweeping indictment of Jesuits?

    So eager you are (in your other post). It does take a while to type, you know.

    Slapped, punched, put into stress positions on our knees, just generally terrorized.

    I remember one of the lay teachers, a Mathematics Master (and they all wore black academic robes, except for the Jesuits), was a real terror. One boy in my class neglected to do his homework one day. He was taken out into the hallway, and we heard the slapping and a thumping, and his crying.

    His head had been repeatedly slammed into the wall. When class was over we went into the hall, and saw where the plaster wall had been cracked. And we were treated little better by the Jesuits themselves, who permitted this behavior, and ruled with a reign of fear & terror.

    It was right after that head smashing incident I decided to leave Jesuit St. Peter's, and go to a public school. That's where I finished my Junior & Senior years.

    You're just 33. I'm almost twice your age. I would appreciate you not trying to dispute what I experienced 50 years ago, even if you can't comprehend it today. Your disbelief does not change the facts.

    And some of those same Jesuits from that era, are still alive and in positions of senior authority in the Church. Your brother may be a saint, but many are not.

    Ever seen the movie Heaven Help Us ? Takes place in New York, I think Brooklyn, a bit more blue-collar than we were. And doesn't involve Jesuits, some other order.

    But what happens to the boys there in (fictional) 1965 very closely mirrors what happened to us, across the river in St. Peter's.
  • wild_sky360

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:39 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidThis is old news, from an old post. Nobody is defending what these pigs did. But if you don't want to give credit to a good man, who is different from them, "trying", in an enormously entrenched bureaucracy, to change this, that says more about your faith in humanity than it does about this pope's. And again, I'm as militant an atheist as you'll find.


    Nonetheless; what would the world be like if the whole facade crumbled to the ground and there was nothing left but Christ's true message for people to contemplate...accept...reject?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:41 PM GMT
    More blatant hypocrisy from the Roman Catholic Church, wonders just never cease.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    Art_Deco said
    WrestlerBoy said
    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Are you saying I didn't attend a Jesuit boys prep school? I've mentioned those experiences on this site for years.

    You ignominious lying little fuck.

    Well, deny all you like. It was right across the Hudson River from you. St. Peter's Preparatory School in New Jersey.

    And what was DONE to you there, for you to make such a sweeping indictment of Jesuits?

    So eager you are (in your other post). It does take a while to type, you know.

    Slapped, punched, put into stress positions on our knees, just generally terrorized.

    I remember one of the lay teachers, a Mathematics Master (and they all wore black academic robes, except for the Jesuits), was a real terror. One boy in my class neglected to do his homework one day. He was taken out into the hallway, and we heard the slapping and a thumping, and his crying.

    His head had been repeatedly slammed into the wall. When class was over we went into the hall, and saw where the plaster wall had been cracked. And we were treated little better by the Jesuits themselves, who permitted this behavior, and ruled with a reign of fear & terror.

    It was right after that head smashing incident I decided to leave Jesuit St. Peter's, and go to a public school. That's where I finished my Junior & Senior years.

    You're just 33. I'm almost twice your age. I would appreciate you not trying to dispute what I experienced 50 years ago, even if you can't comprehend it today. Your disbelief does not change the facts.

    And some of those same Jesuits from that era, are still alive and in positions of senior authority in the Church. Your brother may be a saint, but many are not.

    Ever seen the movie Heaven Help Us ? Takes place in New York, I think Brooklyn, a bit more blue-collar than we were. And doesn't involve Jesuits, some other order.

    But what happens to the boys there in (fictional) 1965 very closely mirrors what happened to us, across the river in St. Peter's.


    Yes, I'm "just 33" and have defended an asshole your age of a capital murder charge. Your point? My age didn't seem to matter to him, when he walked free from the court.

    You're the most insidious form of fake on here: There's nothing you don't "know", nothing you haven't "experienced", nothing you haven't been "subjected" to, and nothing you've never "commanded."

    Show me an whining asshole at 21..and I'll show you a whining asshole at 71.



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    Yes, I'm "just 33" and have defended an asshole your age of a capital murder charge. Your point? My age didn't seem to matter to him, when he walked free from the court.

    You're the most insidious form of fake on here: There's nothing you don't "know", nothing you haven't "experienced", nothing you haven't been "subjected" to, and nothing you've never "commanded."

    Show me an whining asshole at 21..and I'll show you a whining asshole at 71.

    And your point?

    So you defended a senior citizen in court. You can also defend teenagers in court, I presume. What is the relevance to this discussion?

    Rather, it makes me think you are rather inexperienced, with little knowledge of the world, the last person on Earth I would have represent me or anyone else I know in court.

    BTW, I'm not 71. Checking my RJ profile would help you immeasurably. Or when I said in a post above that I was NEARLY twice your age. 33 x 2 = 71? An attorney who does piss-poor research is really an inept attorney, isn't he?

    I claim nothing more than I've done. At 33 you haven't done a lot. At 65 I have done a lot, just because I've lived that long. It's a bennie of surviving, and everyone gets it, eventually (hopefully) even you.

    You seem to lack a lot of understanding of the world. Perhaps your studies and career focus have denied you that. But you are getting on in life, it may be time for you to diversify a little. And then you would understand & accept new ideas. Counter-intuitively, sometimes in today's world that's what older people can give you.