Is it worth it if my genes aren't made for this?

  • highforthis

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    Jul 01, 2014 11:41 PM GMT
    I see 16 year olds at the gym with better bodies than me... some of them seem to come less often than I do, which is already only a couple times a week. A lot of it must have to do with my narrow bone structure... no matter how much I work on my shoulders/lats/delts/etc, I don't get that V-shape in the torso that other guys seem to get so effortlessly.

    I know even bad genes can be overcome if you put enough time and effort, but I don't want to be that guy spending 15 hours a week at the gym just to beat mother nature...
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    Jul 02, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
    Life isn't always fair. There's also a good bit of juicing going on with teens these days. Stop comparing yourselves to others.

    You may want to hire a personal trainer for a month or so so you can learn proper form, nutrition, etc.
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    Jul 02, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
    Your body is your body. Own it and show it off in its best light.

    What does it best respond to ? Does it even want to be doing weights ? Does it prefer swimming ? Lots of endurance tasks ?

    What does it crave for food and energy ?

    Your genes are good for something - find the niche they prefer.
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    Jul 02, 2014 12:58 AM GMT
    OP, see my profile to see where I started. Your short stature is a blessing because you only need 3 to 5 years to look muscular. You won't need any juice for that. The 30lbs of extra lean mass that you can achieve in these 3-5 years is totally achievable naturally.

    A bit off-topic, I think it's improper to use the word "unfair" when the proper word would be "unequal". "Unfair" is a rather charged word implying there could be a "fair" scenario. There will never be such a thing. There is no providence to make things "right". Life is damn unequal and it's up to you to make the difference. The apex feels a lot better when you came from the bottom.
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    Jul 02, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    If it feels good, do it.
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    Jul 02, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
    highforthis saidI see 16 year olds at the gym with better bodies than me... some of them seem to come less often than I do, which is already only a couple times a week. A lot of it must have to do with my narrow bone structure... no matter how much I work on my shoulders/lats/delts/etc, I don't get that V-shape in the torso that other guys seem to get so effortlessly.

    I know even bad genes can be overcome if you put enough time and effort, but I don't want to be that guy spending 15 hours a week at the gym just to beat mother nature...


    My advice is to try not get hung up on achieving a specific look. No, you might not be able to get a V-shape torso, but that doesn't mean you can't be attractive otherwise. There are plenty of attractive guys with long torsos and more of a rectangle shape...

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    These guys are models of course, so their features have been exaggerated to be more appealing. That aside, if you're going for a muscular body, it's entirely possible to do it without having a V-shape.

    And lastly, how you look is not everything. The biggest gains you get in the gym are good health and a boost in energy.
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    Jul 02, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
    Yeeeaaah, I understand the feeling. I come at it from the tall perspective. For example, when a person with short arms does a pectoral fly, they have less resistance due to the laws torque and angular momentum. I can't do the same amount of weight that a short person does because I have so much more distance to move that weight in order to do a proper rep.

    It doesn't matter TOO much I suppose since I always push myself, but it's always a bit disheartening to have to knock the pegs down several notches every time I take a machine after someone who doesn't look that much stronger than me.
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    Jul 02, 2014 3:46 AM GMT
    You fit, healthy, and confident > you on the sidelines envious of what others have. I am not what most people consider attractive, and have a weird shape, but I still feel better when I lift than when I don't.
  • highforthis

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    Jul 02, 2014 4:53 AM GMT
    bachian saidOP, see my profile to see where I started. Your short stature is a blessing because you only need 3 to 5 years to look muscular. You won't need any juice for that. The 30lbs of extra lean mass that you can achieve in these 3-5 years is totally achievable naturally.

    A bit off-topic, I think it's improper to use the word "unfair" when the proper word would be "unequal". "Unfair" is a rather charged word implying there could be a "fair" scenario. There will never be such a thing. There is no providence to make things "right". Life is damn unequal and it's up to you to make the difference. The apex feels a lot better when you came from the bottom.


    Wow nice work there! How often do you lift? The thing is that to get there for me will require a lot of time and dedication that will have to be taken out of other areas in my life.

    To answer another poster, yes I'm a competitive swimmer, great at climbing, snowboarding, surfing and other real sports, just that I don't have the body to show for it argh! I don't even want a muscular body, just an athletic, well proportioned one.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 02, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    Your body is like life. You can't compare yours to anyone else's. As has already been said, not everyone can achieve washboard abs. But that doesn't mean you can't build a healthier body. That IS worth it. I could never commit 15 hours a week to the gym. I have a job and I want more to life than living in a gym. When I first joined a gym, I knew that I had to be careful not to overextend myself. What was a reasonable amount of time needed to get results -- and my money's worth -- and what was too much time and likely to burn me out/make me bored with going to the gym in the first place. I tried four days a week, at about 2 hours a visit. That was too much. Three days at almost two hours a visit was sufficient.

    You have to find what works for you. But to say, "this is my body and I can't ever look like a Greek God, so it's not worth it," is a cop out. Get a trainer for a few sessions, or a friend who really knows how to use the equipment, to put together a routine for you. Stick to it. Consistency of workout schedule is key. Of course, so is eating a healthy, or at least healthier, diet.

    You can do it, if you want to. It's up to you more than it is up to your body.

    And for the record, it looks like you have a decent body, so it shouldn't be that difficult.
  • FRE0

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    Jul 02, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
    It isn't necessary to have a v-shaped torso to look attractive. Looking fit with good definition and no visible flab can be quite attractive without having a v-shaped torso. A man's personality and character are at least as important as his physical appearance.

    Also, when doing strength building exercises, gains occur fastest when beginning working out after which gains gradually taper off; the rate of tapering off probably depends on genetics. Many guys make rapid gains for the first three months or so after which the gains come much more slowly.

    At one time, the opinion of the medical profession was that strength building exercise had no health benefits. It is now realized that that is not true and that strength building exercise does have health benefits. Having more muscle mass increases the metabolism rate thereby making it easier to prevent accumulating fat. It also reduces the likelihood of developing diabetes.
  • Rene_Aensland

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    Jul 02, 2014 9:56 AM GMT
    If they're 16...they probably also work out at school.
    Or sports. =]

    Sports get you RIPPED as fuck.
  • buddycat

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    Jul 02, 2014 10:06 AM GMT
    I am a little confused here. If you are only there twice a week how do you know when they come in? Plus that is true, if they play sports they are doing work-outs at school. I think if you want real results, more than two-days a week is required I would think. I don't even go to the gym, I have free weights at home but am starting to see results getting closer to my goal. Of course my goals may be a little different than yours.
  • biathlete01

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    Jul 02, 2014 11:51 AM GMT
    I workout 6 days per week now and was much smaller than you when I was 24. Age makes it easier for some guys, had a boy's body here until 30. Keep it up man and work on developing great form and one day your muscles will explode.
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    Jul 02, 2014 1:26 PM GMT
    highforthis said ... I know even bad genes can be overcome if you put enough time and effort ...
    do what you want, not what you believe in. not enough is know about genetics to call it good or bad.
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    Jul 02, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    highforthis saidI see 16 year olds at the gym with better bodies than me... some of them seem to come less often than I do, which is already only a couple times a week. A lot of it must have to do with my narrow bone structure... no matter how much I work on my shoulders/lats/delts/etc, I don't get that V-shape in the torso that other guys seem to get so effortlessly.

    I know even bad genes can be overcome if you put enough time and effort, but I don't want to be that guy spending 15 hours a week at the gym just to beat mother nature...


    It's less about genes then most people think. I see peeps that hit the gym several times a week that don't look any different month after month and I have seen 17 yo in boot camp go from 130 to 170 in 3 months. The difference is the non gainer is doing everything wrong at the gym and outside the gym. Anyone can get ripped regardless of body type.
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    Jul 02, 2014 5:19 PM GMT
    Wait, is this you to the right in this picture?

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    How exactly is it you think you should look (based on the sports / gym and what you eat)? If you had "the right genes" that is.
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    Jul 02, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    highforthis saidHow often do you lift? The thing is that to get there for me will require a lot of time and dedication that will have to be taken out of other areas in my life.


    You should be asking how many times I eat!! icon_lol.gif I lift 5 times a week and eat 9 times per day.

    You have a short stature, so all requirements of time, food and effort are reduced to you, but an athletic body is high maintenance to everyone. Your whole lifestyle has to change to accommodate the diet and training requirements of an athletic body. If you feel like this dedication is impossible, then you must accept that this will not be achievable to you.
  • theob

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    Jul 03, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
    You might just be burned out.

    It happens to me if I get stuck doing the same types of activities over and over again. I know from years and years of working out that I can only get so muscular, and that's okay with me. You gotta learn to love what you've got naturally.

    You may also want to question why you're working out. Are you doing it to get a specific look, or are you doing it for general athleticism, fitness, injury prevention, and a better immune system? Do you do it to forget your stress from the day?

    I say this because it's easy to forget why you may have started down a particular path. I remember this bizarre time before I worked out 5-7 days a week. I remember feeling groggy and stressed out all the time. I remember getting sick far more often than normal. That's what it's like to be an average American. You're tired, sick, fat, useless AND ugly.

    Here's the thing. Whether you like it or not, you're gonna pay time. You can either pay that time in hours spent at the gym, or you can pay that time being sick. It's up to you. I know I prefer the former.

    I'd suggest changing it up. Go do something else for a week. Get into a new sport. Try to accomplish some other athletic goal.

    For the first time today, I ran to the top of the hill near the place where I live in Snowmass Village, CO. I couldn't do that in my 20's. I did it because I wanted to try something new for a few days.

    Focus on being a better athlete. You'll be a lot happier.
  • highforthis

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    Jul 03, 2014 4:12 AM GMT
    ^^Lol, but I'm already in great physical health, and probably more athletic than most of the gym bunnies with their nice tits and 6-packs. I've outwrestled guys 50 pounds heavier. I just don't have the body to show for it! Not gonna lie, my only reason for going to the gym is to get a better body. I don't enjoy it at all, but as a short top, it seems like I gotta be big to play the part ugh, lol.
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    Jul 03, 2014 2:31 PM GMT
    Some guys won the genetic lottery. I'm not one. But it's still worth it. Just try not to compare yourself to others.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jul 03, 2014 2:59 PM GMT
    Add protein a powder shake with at least 30 grams and no more than 100 calories to your diet twice/day. And increase your workouts to 3-4 times/week (or more). Give yourself 3-4 years of consistent working out with solid weight training. Your form may not be V torso but it will be great. I see a lot of carping about guys who juice here, and I, too, don't recommend it, but usually it is from guys who won't do the hard work it takes to get to the shape they often have. The work (and sufficient protein, low fat, healthy diet) is what gets you the body you want. No whining, no shortcuts.
  • theob

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    Jul 03, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    highforthis said^^Lol, but I'm already in great physical health, and probably more athletic than most of the gym bunnies with their nice tits and 6-packs. I've outwrestled guys 50 pounds heavier. I just don't have the body to show for it! Not gonna lie, my only reason for going to the gym is to get a better body. I don't enjoy it at all, but as a short top, it seems like I gotta be big to play the part ugh, lol.


    I think your logic leads to the point I am making. Your only reason for going to the gym is to get a better body. Okay. I'll grant that.

    But if you avoid going to the gym for some period of time, your physical attractiveness will decline to a certain state.

    Once it has declined, even by the tiniest amount, any time you spend going to the gym will give you a better body. So according to your logic, you have to go.

    Taking all of this into consideration, isn't it better to just keep going, even if it means staying on a high plateau? Perhaps another reason you go is to avoid slipping backwards, and that is not a bad reason at all.

    Is it kind of Sisyphean? Yeah. Totally. Most of life is doing the same bullshit maintenance things over and over again. But you don't quit sleeping every night just because sleeping more than 8 hours has no significant improvement on your health. You sleep because sleeping less than 8 hours is bad for your health.

    Life is like a street thug. You're gonna pay it, one way or the other.

  • mybud

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    Jul 03, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    A lot Gay guys focus more on outward looks and less on their general health. Going to the gym to good for you,do it for that. Second, measuring your improvements against total strangers is a recipe for disaster and kills motivation. Lastly, change your mindset. View the gym as your "me time". Look forward to it, relish it, LOVE IT.
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    Jul 03, 2014 5:17 PM GMT
    grofte saidWait, is this you to the right in this picture?

    How exactly is it you think you should look (based on the sports / gym and what you eat)? If you had "the right genes" that is.


    that's what i was wondering icon_eek.gif


    highforthis saidI don't enjoy it at all, but as a short top, it seems like I gotta be big to play the part ugh, lol.


    it sounds like you're trying to overcome being 5'8" by getting as much muscle as possible?