BREAKING: At Least 900,000 American Accounts Under Surveillance by NSA, 4-Month Washington Post Investigation Reveals

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:21 AM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-nsa-intercepted-data-those-not-targeted-far-outnumber-the-foreigners-who-are/2014/07/05/8139adf8-045a-11e4-8572-4b1b969b6322_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

    It's a long article on WashPo's investigation. Below, some of the highlights.

    (1) USG'S PREVIOUSLY STATED FIGURES A PACK OF LIES: "June 26 “transparency report,” the Office of the Director of National Intelligence disclosed that 89,138 people were targets of last year’s collection under FISA Section 702. At the 9-to-1 ratio of incidental collection in Snowden’s sample, the office’s figure would correspond to nearly 900,000 accounts, targeted or not, under surveillance."

    (2) IF YOU KNOW A FOREIGNER... YOU'RE ONE, TOO: "One analyst rests her claim that a target is foreign on the fact that his e-mails are written in a foreign language, a quality shared by tens of millions of Americans. Others are allowed to presume that anyone on the chat "BUDDY LIST" a known foreign national is also foreign."

    (3) IF YOU'RE JUST READING THE POST, YOU'RE UNDER SURVEILLANCE AS WELL: "If a target entered an online chat room, the NSA collected the words and identities of every person who posted there, regardless of subject, as well as every person who simply “lurked,” reading passively what other people wrote. “1 target, 38 others on there,” one analyst wrote. She collected data on them all."

    (4) COLLECTING BABY PICTURES: "Scores of pictures show infants and toddlers in bathtubs, on swings, sprawled on their backs and kissed by their mothers. In some photos, men show off their physiques."

    (5) THEY HAVE YOUR LOVE LIFE, MENTAL HEALTH, AND FINANCIAL DETAILS: "Many other files, described as useless by the analysts but nonetheless retained, have a startlingly intimate, even voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes."

    (6) SNOWDEN: “Even if one could conceivably justify the initial, inadvertent interception of baby pictures and love letters of innocent bystanders,” he added, “their continued storage in government databases is both troubling and dangerous. Who knows how that information will be used in the future?”
  • tj85016

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:20 PM GMT
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  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:24 PM GMT
    Brilliant, T!
  • tj85016

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:30 PM GMT
    yeah I once thought the Tonkin Gulf Resolution was the worst deal (it was later repealed, but it sure opened up a bad road) - but this stuff is insane
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:33 PM GMT
    I mean.... photos of babies in bathtubs??
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:34 PM GMT
    Oh! I just thought: They'll be those "terrorist babies" that state rep in Texas was talking about a few years ago? NOW it makes sense.
  • tj85016

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    Jul 06, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
    you can't be too careful with babies, they're generally evil

    babies are actually a plot to make women insane and buy $600 strollers
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 2:25 PM GMT
    Btw, some quick mental statistics and I come up with, say..... 62 RJers being under active surveillance. Careful who you buddy list!! icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 06, 2014 2:54 PM GMT
    Intellectually, I know it's wrong but photographing the baby's bath seems to dilute the seriousness of the offense.

    On the one hand, surveillance is nonconsensual voyeurism. On the other, what with cameras everywhere, if you didn't let yourself become numb to it, you'd become paranoid--you wouldn't be able to enter a supermarket--a two-edged sword killing bluntly with dullness. I don't know how else to feel about it but I can't seem to gather within me the outrage intellect might call upon, until, I suppose, it would be too late to stop the fascism, at once insipid yet insidious.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 3:04 PM GMT
    theantijock saidIntellectually, I know it's wrong but photographing the baby's bath seems to dilute the seriousness of the offense.

    On the one hand, surveillance is nonconsensual voyeurism. On the other, what with cameras everywhere, if you didn't let yourself become numb to it, you'd become paranoid--you wouldn't be able to enter a supermarket--a two-edged sword killing bluntly with dullness. I don't know how else to feel about it but I can't seem to gather within me the outrage intellect might call upon, until, I suppose, it would be too late to stop the fascism, at once insipid yet insidious.


    I couldn't agree more that the way you feel is the way most people feel. Look at the number of responses a thread like this gets, compared to, say, "What color nail polish would look better on the guy above you?"

    “The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools?”

    “The most dangerous enemy of the truth and freedom amongst us is the compact majority”

    Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People"
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    WrestlerBoy saidI couldn't agree more that the way you feel is the way most people feel. Look at the number of responses a thread like this gets, compared to, say, "What color nail polish would look better on the guy above you?"

    “The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools?”

    “The most dangerous enemy of the truth and freedom amongst us is the compact majority”

    Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People"


    Was it my feeling or my warning?

    Perhaps it is your titling. I only opened PLURIBUS CCXXX because I thought there would be more than just one.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 3:19 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    WrestlerBoy saidI couldn't agree more that the way you feel is the way most people feel. Look at the number of responses a thread like this gets, compared to, say, "What color nail polish would look better on the guy above you?"

    “The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools?”

    “The most dangerous enemy of the truth and freedom amongst us is the compact majority”

    Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the People"


    Was it my feeling or my warning?

    Perhaps it is your titling. I only opened PLURIBUS CCXXX because I thought there would be more than just one.


    You've lost me, A.
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    Jul 06, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    diminishing will help you win an argument but enlarging will help you see it.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
    theantijock saiddiminishing will help you win an argument but enlarging will help you see it.


    And....again.
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    Jul 06, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
    ya, I know. I would explain but I have to go get my hair done.
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    Jul 06, 2014 3:39 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidBtw, some quick mental statistics and I come up with, say..... 62 RJers being under active surveillance. Careful who you buddy list!! icon_smile.gif


    what if you just hot list them? icon_biggrin.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 06, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    JackBoneTX said
    WrestlerBoy saidBtw, some quick mental statistics and I come up with, say..... 62 RJers being under active surveillance. Careful who you buddy list!! icon_smile.gif


    what if you just hot list them? icon_biggrin.gif


    Let's see: If the target is on your BUDDY list, or you're on his, then you're having your info collected, too... Let me call the NSA quickly and ask....

    OK.. so, it gets complicated. But it seems that only if the homo at the NSA doing the actual snooping on you ALSO thinks the guy on your hot list IS hot, then he's in the dragnet as well. Could they make this any more complicated???