Bart Police Shoots and un-arm man Execution Style

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    Jan 09, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    I was both sicken and appalled when I saw on the news an Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer shoot and unarmed in man face down.

    What even more appalling are the riots that have followed against businesses and properties.

    A criminal investigation is being requested by Oakland California Mayor Ron Dallums for the officer involved and he has since resigned and refuses to speak with investigators. At least for now. I saw th footage it's pretty disturbing.

    They officers said he was reaching for a weapon. That's pretty hard to do when you are already restrained and face down on the pavement surrounded by law enforcement officers.

    It should be noted that they were called to the scene to break up an altercation. That's no excuse for for the use of excessive force.

    Young man's family is ask for calm and peace after two days or rioting.


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    Jan 09, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
    There is speculation that the officer was reaching for his taser and grabbed his gun instead. Hmmmmm.....doesnt matter, he still killed the guy. "Oops" doesnt work under these circumstances.
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    Jan 09, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090108/ap_on_re_us/train_station_shooting

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/01/09/calif_protest_of_police_shooting_turns_violent/

    Jesus... the guy was only 22.

    The video of the incident:

    http://www.truveo.com/Raw-Video-Police-Shoot-Unarmed-Man-in-Oakland-Ca/id/2912521158

    It could still be an honest mistake. Perhaps the cop was simply drawing his gun to make the guy cooperate and accidentally squeezed the trigger. But... damn. Sadly triggerhappy cops aren't uncommon either.
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    Jan 09, 2009 9:23 PM GMT
    indeed.

    we had a guy recently in Houston get shot for driving while black.

    was coming home from work at the local McDonald's or wherever at about 3am, and the officers followed him to his house. When he got out, they assumed he was going to break in. He got down on the ground like he was told, and then his parents came outside to talk to the officers. Unfortunatley, the conversation got heated, and the officers said something to the mother. The kid said something along the lines of "don't talk to my mom like that" and they shot him in the chest.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/18387805/detail.html#-
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    Jan 10, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    Caslon8000 saidThere is speculation that the officer was reaching for his taser and grabbed his gun instead. Hmmmmm.....doesnt matter, he still killed the guy. "Oops" doesnt work under these circumstances.


    its called safety.

    There are no excuses.
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    Jan 10, 2009 12:33 AM GMT
    With all the accessories on his bat belt he reached for the gun by mistake? Right. What are the odds?
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:32 AM GMT
    Not being an expert, but Tasers aren't shaped like guns are they?

    This is a crap situation. I don't think that the police carry guns in the UK, I wonder how effective that is.
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:41 AM GMT
    makeumyne saidNot being an expert, but Tasers aren't shaped like guns are they?


    Police and most newer models are.

    It's homicide just for the fact that someone killed someone else, if he doesn't have the culpability (evil intention) then it's manslaughter.
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    McGay saidWith all the accessories on his bat belt he reached for the gun by mistake? Right. What are the odds?


    But what if he accidentally left his bat dildo with kung-fu grip in the bat cave?
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:52 AM GMT
    Had that happened, I think Stretch Armstrong would have popped the muscleband.
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
    That's horrible... he just stood off the guy, pulled out his gun, and shot him.


    Looking at his expression after the shot was fired and judging from the reactions of the other policemen, it looks like it was an accident.

    It's so stupid...
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    Jan 10, 2009 4:46 AM GMT
    I saw the video footage of the incident today. There was no reason for the officer to pull out any type of weapon on the guy. This goes way beyond race. The officer could have done the same thing to a white guy. The officer showed poor judgement, there is no excuse. From what I hear from the news he's not talking to anyone. Oakland needs to handle this quickly and carefully.

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    Jan 10, 2009 7:24 AM GMT
    Heard on the radio that the officer resigned before having a hearing.
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    Jan 10, 2009 7:59 AM GMT
    From the video it would appear that the police officer is reacting -- that going for the gun is a reaction to the situation. The question is do you really want that sort of reaction when the suspect is on the ground and obviously under control? Yes, he could be going for a gun, but can be do much with it when lying flat on the ground? And is shooting him execution style the appropriate response while he's surrounded by several other officers?

    While I respect police officers and they often have a hard job, they have weapons that can kill, and in most instances that is not what is called for -- few are the times where it is maybe necessary, and part of their training should be aimed at minimizing the response of pulling a weapon. Yes, it may have been a accident, he may have been excited or a gut reaction, but the first part of any police training should be to eliminate such a response from the officers.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:09 AM GMT
    It's a fucking disaster. A man on the ground on his stomach with his hands behind his back and he gets shot.

    Then dumbass ignorant assholes decide to burn shit down for no reason other than it makes them feel like they are accomplishing something. Destroying other people's property does nothing, accomplishes nothing and gets nobody nowhere.

    You gun down an alledged criminal in cold blood? You don't get to participate anymore. You try to enoble your destructive hate by burning down someone's property because you can't think of a productive way to focus your energy to change? Fuck you. You reinforce every possible stereotype you could possibly represent.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidI was both sicken and appalled when I saw on the news an Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer shoot and unarmed in man face down.

    What even more appalling are the riots that have followed against businesses and properties.

    A criminal investigation is being requested by Oakland California Mayor Ron Dallums for the officer involved and he has since resigned and refuses to speak with investigators. At least for now. I saw th footage it's pretty disturbing.

    They officers said he was reaching for a weapon. That's pretty hard to do when you are already restrained and face down on the pavement surrounded by law enforcement officers.

    It should be noted that they were called to the scene to break up an altercation. That's no excuse for for the use of excessive force.

    Young man's family is ask for calm and peace after two days or rioting.


    Guns should be illegal.

    And I'm all for them rioting against this idiot cop and cops in general for being so completely fucking stupid. After watching the video I feel like vandalizing shit myself.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    So I hear that the cop resigned so he couldn't be charged and that the other policemen fthe cellphones of people who had videotaped the incident so that it couldn't be used.

    That's shady as hell. Clearly an abuse of power and an illegal act to boot. The cops wounder why people don't like them so much.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    Guy101 saidSo I hear that the cop resigned so he couldn't be charged and that the other policemen fthe cellphones of people who had videotaped the incident so that it couldn't be used.

    That's shady as hell. Clearly an abuse of power and an illegal act to boot. The cops wounder why people don't like them so much.


    That cop better be charged and if not, I hope the people of Oakland riot and protest until that cop gets what he deserves.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:57 PM GMT
    I might add...shot him 12 times.

    Would not the first shot have been enough to bring order to the situation?

    I find 12 shots of a bullet a bit hard to confuse with a taser especially when the victim of the police was already in custody.

    What a fucked up system. Folks going to jail and getting killed over rec drugs...cops filling victims on the ground full of holes...and billionaires walking free with golden parachutes after defrauding honest people of their retirement.

    The criminal justice system here is SUCH a mess.
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    Jan 10, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    That's it, I'm moving to Toronto!