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    Jan 09, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    If President Obama repeals “Don’t Ask, Don’t tell”, would you as a gay man serve in any of the Military Branches? Or are we asking for a right that we as gay men won’t really use or need?

    FYI: Former UASF Major with 14+ years of service. Who left because he could not serve in the open as a gay man.
  • Delivis

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    Jan 09, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    There is no reason to believe people of one sexual orientation would go into the military any more than another. Clearly there are gay people in the military. Even if there were not the question of sexuality should not be an issue.
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    Jan 09, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    Maybe I'm missing something here. But what does your sexuality have to do with your ability to perform your duties? I couldn't care less if the guy next to me slept with guys or girls. As long as I could rely on him to do his job and not get us killed during a combat situation, that's all I really care about.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 09, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    I would not serve in the military.
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    Jan 09, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidI would not serve in the military.


    Ditto. Considering U.S. power and the technology we possess, seems to me like war needs to be rethinked.
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    Jan 09, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    My political beliefs factor into my anti-military sentiments. My sexuality does not.
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    Jan 09, 2009 8:56 PM GMT
    I don't regard sexuality as having much to do with physical, nor technical ability.

    It's a non-issue.

    Thousands of gay men serve, very honorably, in the military, and civil service, every day.

    The change of policy would set things right for one of the last injustices of the military.

    The military is one of the few places in the world where color, orgin, background, wealth, and education are set aside and performance is rewarded. The military is ABOUT cohesion, equality, and teamwork, with a plan for success, and the execution of that plan, which builds folks of character and confidence.

    Don't ask don't tell was a bad idea, and it's time it went away.
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    Jan 09, 2009 8:59 PM GMT
    Former Army Reserves here.

    If a person wants to serve is their choice of course. But we should all have RIGHT to serve and not have to hide who we are. The right to serve is also another step towards complete equal rights (adoption, marriage, etc). To tell someone who fought for this country that they are not afforded the same rights as their fellow soldiers is just obscene.

    There are also many benefits like education and financial incentives that are being denied young gay men who would want to serve but are not allowed to due their sexuality.

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    Jan 09, 2009 10:49 PM GMT
    Not a chance. It's not something I ever want to do
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    Jan 09, 2009 11:06 PM GMT
    I'd join the army only if there was some type of all out war that affected the whole world... e.g. WWIII, Though I'd rather not worth in the army, navy, or air force... or marines. Maybe some intellegence sector.

    But a war I'd be comfortable fighting in probably won't happen.


    I'm not black. Segregation bothers me though. I live in Maine--Prop 8 didn't affect me. Prop 8 still bothered me. I'll propbably never join the military--"Don't ask don't Tell" still bothers me.
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    Jan 10, 2009 12:59 AM GMT
    I kind of indifferent to Don't Ask, Don't Tell. I personally feel that people should NOT be obligated to disclose their sexual preferences. I'm in the Army now and do have a FULL career ahead with some years to go. I don't plan on telling people MY BUSINESS, because IT'S NOT FOR THEM TO KNOW! Truth be told, even though if Don't Ask, Don't Tell is removed I still would not tell folk and really do not care if people told me....not unless there is consentual understand between the two of us.
  • txsin

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    Jan 10, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    TheSuccessfulOne saidI kind of indifferent to Don't Ask, Don't Tell. I personally feel that people should NOT be obligated to disclose their sexual preferences. I'm in the Army now and do have a FULL career ahead with some years to go. I don't plan on telling people MY BUSINESS, because IT'S NOT FOR THEM TO KNOW! Truth be told, even though if Don't Ask, Don't Tell is removed I still would not tell folk and really do not care if people told me....not unless there is consentual understand between the two of us.


    I agree. I'm currently in the gay and in the military and I could care less if someone told me they were gay. So what, are we supposed to hang out now? people don't go up to each other and say " hey my name is bob and I'm gay, how are you?" If don't ask don't tell is gone away with I still wouldn't tell anyone. What would it matter?
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    Cowboiway saidIf President Obama repeals “Don’t Ask, Don’t tell”, would you as a gay man serve in any of the Military Branches? Or are we asking for a right that we as gay men won’t really use or need?


    If you were denied the right to cross the border to Canada, you would still demand your right, even though statistically more homosexuals have not crossed the border to visit Canada than those that have.

    Gays are fighting for rights on what they're entitled to. That doesn't mean they have to participate first-hand on what they are fighting for.
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    Does a bear shit in the pope's toilet? No effin way. Not until I'm a fully recognized citizen of "this great country of ours". Of course, I'm too old and crotchety to serve now anyway, but I'm choosey about whom I serve. I don't break out the kneepads for just anybody.
  • EricLA

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    Jan 10, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    Nope, I don't think I'd do well in the service. Besides, I'm now in my 40s, not a prime candidate for them any more.
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    Jan 10, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    Oh well, if they do the whole draft thing we'll see how the whole don't ask don't tell works. Wouldn't declaring your gay cause you to not be able to join, providing don't ask don't tell isn't inactive during a draft (I'm not too up-to-date on my military knowledge)? That would backfire completely - I wonder if they thought of that...
  • DCEric

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    Jan 10, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
    They wouldn't want me. I think to much.
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
    txsin said I agree. I'm currently in the gay and in the military and I could care less if someone told me they were gay. So what, are we supposed to hang out now? people don't go up to each other and say " hey my name is bob and I'm gay, how are you?" If don't ask don't tell is gone away with I still wouldn't tell anyone. What would it matter?


    No one expects you to start wearing rainbow bandannas. The point is not to get your ass discharged if someone were to reveal your orientation. Is that seriously something you object to?
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    jprichva saidThe point is not to get your ass discharged if someone were to reveal your orientation. Is that seriously something you object to?


    That's exactly the point. Everyone sees how sexuality shouldn't influence work and should be kept separate (similar to how church and state are... ha ha), BUT don't ask don't tell gives your employer (aka the military) the right to fire you based on your sexuality.

    On that note, no I would not work for the military until they shape up their act. Unless of course they agree to reimburse my tuition (will be $120k) and offer me nice things that would make me forget about being gay, lol.
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:26 AM GMT
    Erikk saidOh well, if they do the whole draft thing we'll see how the whole don't ask don't tell works. Wouldn't declaring your gay cause you to not be able to join, providing don't ask don't tell isn't inactive during a draft (I'm not too up-to-date on my military knowledge)? That would backfire completely - I wonder if they thought of that...


    Hell yeah! If I ever get drafted against my will there's gonna be a whole lot of telling, lol.

    Heck of a lot better than shooting yourself in the foot.
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    I'd love to be in the service right now if I wasn't diabetic!
  • txsin

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    Jan 10, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    txsin said I agree. I'm currently in the gay and in the military and I could care less if someone told me they were gay. So what, are we supposed to hang out now? people don't go up to each other and say " hey my name is bob and I'm gay, how are you?" If don't ask don't tell is gone away with I still wouldn't tell anyone. What would it matter?


    No one expects you to start wearing rainbow bandannas. The point is not to get your ass discharged if someone were to reveal your orientation. Is that seriously something you object to?



    I object to people having their business out in the open for everyone to see when no one really wants to see it or even cares about it. Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I'm a flamer in uniform but I not I'm not a closet case either. Work is work, keep your business to yourself.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jan 10, 2009 3:20 AM GMT
    At the moment, no. But if I hadn't had an academic scholarship which covered my tuition, I might very well have gone the ROTC route, though I expect I probably would have been aimed at Intel or Translation rather than Cannon Fodder, given that I do well on standardized tests.

    For a humorous take on this from an economics angle, I feel the need to refer to Scott Adams' (creator of Dilbert) blog post about homosexuality and the military: The Boner Theory of Economics. Key quote:

    Recruiter: “We can’t afford to give you body armor, but you’ll be surrounded by young, vital men who are a long way from home. Would you like a tour of the showers?”

    Recruit: “Yes, but I can’t stand up right away.”
  • riverrunner

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    Jan 10, 2009 3:24 AM GMT
    I served 4 years in the Navy and would have stayed if it wasn't for being Gay. Just couldn't live that double life. I am proud of my service and love a boy in those navy Blues!
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    Jan 10, 2009 4:10 AM GMT
    Two guys posted here that say they are military but don't understand the problem with DADT. Every day I will bet that a fellow soldier comes up talks about their wives or girlfriends. But you can't talk about your boyfriend or parnter.

    DADT needs to be repealed. Understand the full picture of the fight we are in for equal rights. This fight matters and it is important.

    If you die in action, and you have a partner, would you not want him to get full military benefits the same way a wife would? If you are injured, would you not want to have your partner have full access to your bed side, the same way a wife would?