Gay culture in reality does not promote/encourage self expression but rather conformity discuss

  • Matthew56

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    Jul 10, 2014 12:36 PM GMT
    Gay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?
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    Jul 10, 2014 12:52 PM GMT
    So wrong!! I don't agree at all. But that may be because unlike most gay people (or people in general). I don't care what other people think about me. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 10, 2014 12:53 PM GMT
    Matthew56 saidGay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?


    You are right 100%. The gay mafia who enforce their ways of thinking on everyone else should start to be known as "the queer conservatives". Why coz they preach the staus quo and only pretend to be about diversity. I don't really worry about them to much but they sure do their best to make sure everyone else conforms and most do out of fear of rejection.
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    Jul 10, 2014 1:09 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    Matthew56 saidGay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?


    You are right 100%. The gay mafia who enforce their ways of thinking on everyone else should start to be known as "the queer conservatives". Why coz they preach the staus quo and only pretend to be about diversity. I don't really worry about them to much but they sure do their best to make sure everyone else conforms and most do out of fear of rejection.


    Yep
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    Jul 10, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
    There is definitely some truth in this.
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    Jul 10, 2014 1:25 PM GMT
    Pretty much every social & cultural group and subgroup has some degree of conformity. Even when they think in their own minds they're not conforming.

    I remember the counter-culture movement of the 1960s. The youth was rebelling against the ways of the preceding generations. They were going to be unlike their parents & grandparents, living suburban cookie-cutter lives.

    But, I noticed, the young themselves had adopted equal conformity. For instance, the hippie "uniform" was every bit as predictable as a business suit. Different, but not really original from individual to individual, following the same style conventions within the hippie group. And just as certain professions had their own vocabulary, the hippies practically had their own language. And you had all better speak it, if you wanted acceptance, or at times, even comprehension.

    I can see some of that in the gay community. Different from straights in some things, but much more the same among each other. And especially along generational lines. I find younger men to be more conformist on average, a bit opposite of what you might anticipate, whereas older men are a bit less rigid (not a double entendre). There are other generational differences between them, but within their respective age groups the level of individual conformity is higher, on a gradient scale from youngest to oldest.

    Which I conclude is more a function of basic human nature. That I've seen all my life, in many circumstances, not just hippies and gays. So that I don't believe conformity is peculiar to gays, nor is it being consciously enforced, perhaps as part of our imaginary agenda. It's just the way people naturally associate and behave.

    Although I also recognize that there is another group, separate from all the others: the militant evangelicals. These are people who feel driven to impose their beliefs & agenda, political & religious, on others. Mostly Christian conservative straights in the US, a few inexplicably are gay. A self-destructive behavior that many behaviorists ascribe to guilt & self-hate. But I consider them to be abnormals in the gay population, and should not be incorporated into models of typical gay behavior.
  • tj85016

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    Jul 10, 2014 2:59 PM GMT
    sure it does, go to New York, San Fran or Berlin, even in Phoenix the gay community was pretty diverse.

    but then again, England hasn't done anything new since The Clash
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    Jul 10, 2014 3:07 PM GMT
    Of course you are right. Enough to look at the pride parade to see it in action.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 10, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidsure it does, go to New York, San Fran or Berlin, even in Phoenix the gay community was pretty diverse.

    but then again, England hasn't done anything new since The Clash


    Best anti-establishment song of the 20th century!

    Shareef don't like it, baby!
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    Jul 10, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    I think we can write our own rules.
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    Jul 10, 2014 5:22 PM GMT
    There is no Gay culture or gay community. Is there a straight culture or straight community? No. Then gays don't need it either. Stop posting your stupid anti-Gay self loathing bullshit on this site.
  • MikeW

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    Jul 10, 2014 6:14 PM GMT
    Same old same old from Matthew56. Broken record. It's all about everyone else, never about him, his personality, how he relates to people or who he choses to relate to or how he choses to relate to them. You seriously need to grow up and stop whining and blaming everyone else for your own lack of self worth and self respect.
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    Jul 10, 2014 7:56 PM GMT
    kevex saidThere is no Gay culture or gay community. Is there a straight culture or straight community? No. Then gays don't need it either. Stop posting your stupid anti-Gay self loathing bullshit on this site.


    Stop posting your 'gay conservative' it suits me so stuff what everyone else thinks shite. Do you think you that gay men down conform to things detrimental to themselves? Are you serious? There are things that get accepted as the 'gay norm that guys dorm challenge just to avoid being lonely and that's ok with you Isn't it. Or is it that you don't think at all just accept the shite and never challenge why gay men have such high rates of involvement in every early morbidity factor known to science.

    I can't wait to hear your response and I'll bet it is a line from a drag queen that hangs with the crowd you think is uber cool.
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    Jul 10, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidPretty much every social & cultural group and subgroup has some degree of conformity. Even when they think in their own minds they're not conforming.

    I remember the counter-culture movement of the 1960s. The youth was rebelling against the ways of the preceding generations. They were going to be unlike their parents & grandparents, living suburban cookie-cutter lives.

    But, I noticed, the young themselves had adopted equal conformity. For instance, the hippie "uniform" was every bit as predictable as a business suit. Different, but not really original from individual to individual, following the same style conventions within the hippie group. And just as certain professions had their own vocabulary, the hippies practically had their own language. And you had all better speak it, if you wanted acceptance, or at times, even comprehension.

    I can see some of that in the gay community. Different from straights in some things, but much more the same among each other. And especially along generational lines. I find younger men to be more conformist on average, a bit opposite of what you might anticipate, whereas older men are a bit less rigid (not a double entendre). There are other generational differences between them, but within their respective age groups the level of individual conformity is higher, on a gradient scale from youngest to oldest.

    Which I conclude is more a function of basic human nature. That I've seen all my life, in many circumstances, not just hippies and gays. So that I don't believe conformity is peculiar to gays, nor is it being consciously enforced, perhaps as part of our imaginary agenda. It's just the way people naturally associate and behave.

    Although I also recognize that there is another group, separate from all the others: the militant evangelicals. These are people who feel driven to impose their beliefs & agenda, political & religious, on others. Mostly Christian conservative straights in the US, a few inexplicably are gay. A self-destructive behavior that many behaviorists ascribe to guilt & self-hate. But I consider them to be abnormals in the gay population, and should not be incorporated into models of typical gay behavior.


    As a senior member of the gay community your either a gay male Helen Keller, a fan of Margret Thatchers 1980's Tory government or perhaps so much part of the fabric of self destruction that you have lose your ability to see things how they really are
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    Jul 10, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
    I will neither agree nor disagree with anything said here, because I am a self-expressing non-conformist...just like everyone else.
  • glowstik

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    Jul 11, 2014 12:09 AM GMT
    You're so right!!

    Proof: thewhole MASC vs FEMME ridiculous trend

    Why would anyone want to describe themselves as a masc guy? In my humble opinion, it's code for "plain looking"

    Try being original fellow amazing guys
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    Jul 11, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    As a senior member of the gay community your either a gay male Helen Keller, a fan of Margret Thatchers 1980's Tory government or perhaps so much part of the fabric of self destruction that you have lose your ability to see things how they really are

    You win this week's prize for bizarre reply to a post. By all means, do tell us how things really are.

    BTW, since you're very new here, and clearly lacking in reading comprehension skills, be aware my reputation is firmly established as one of the most liberal of RJ's members. For which I more generally receive the opposite criticism to yours. "Margaret Thatcher's Tory government" indeed. LOL! That's too funny. icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 11, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    Matthew56 saidGay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?


    No. Stop going after people like that. You're getting rejected, I think, by trying to get with the same type you're complaining about.
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    Jul 11, 2014 6:30 PM GMT
    Yes it is extremely conformist as well as shallow, that's why I tend to avoid bothering with it at all.
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    Jul 13, 2014 4:10 AM GMT
    I'm always seeing forums like this on here. I'll tell you what the real problem is. Guys lack self-confidence. If you're not getting any ass, that's no one's fault but your own. Stop paying attention to what everyone else finds hot because at the end of the day, it doesn't put someone in your arms. It actually keeps you alone. I don't care if you're buff or not, someone will want you. As big and tall as I am, I don't always get the guys I'm attracted to. Yea the gay culture can be pretty shallow but let's face it, we all need to be in it from time to time.

  • MikeW

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    Jul 14, 2014 3:43 AM GMT
    Yada yada.
  • Rene_Aensland

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    Jul 14, 2014 7:23 AM GMT
    No.
    I see tons of queens in their cliques, tons of drags in their clique, tons of everything...
    But they're all in groups, muscle guys with muscle guys, prancers with prancers, and so on.

    You chose to just ridicule what you're not involved in.
    That's all. =]
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 14, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
    I think it's very difficult and time-consuming to conform. You have to constantly watch what others are doing and try to mimic their appearance and behavior. I barely have time to stop for red lights, let alone actually go with the flow of traffic.icon_confused.gif
  • Aleco_Graves

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    Jul 15, 2014 3:13 AM GMT
    Matthew56 saidGay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?


    I aggree to a certain extent. Seeing people who do not want to be stereotyped, but then fit the stereotype like a rubber Glove fits a hand. I believe on the other side that its also who you surround yourself with.

    I just generally dont care about being part of the gay community, i dont read up on gay news, i dont watch )mostly or even occasionally) gay centred movies or series.

    I AM A MAN ATTRACTED TO OTHER MEN, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN MY IDENTITY IS GOING TO BE CENTRED AROUND THAT FACT!

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    Aleco_Graves said
    Matthew56 saidGay culture does not really promote freedom of self expression rather it promotes a culture of conformity where you have to look in an ideal way I.e be a muscle Mary ripped be conventionally looking. Anything that does not fall under this is subject to ridicule and not get any ass

    Am I right?


    I aggree to a certain extent. Seeing people who do not want to be stereotyped, but then fit the stereotype like a rubber Glove fits a hand. I believe on the other side that its also who you surround yourself with.

    I just generally dont care about being part of the gay community, i dont read up on gay news, i dont watch )mostly or even occasionally) gay centred movies or series.

    I AM A MAN ATTRACTED TO OTHER MEN, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN MY IDENTITY IS GOING TO BE CENTRED AROUND THAT FACT!

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    I agree 100% and it was my motto I lived by for many years and try to do still. It hasn't exactly harmed my social or sex life in anyway either. My only concern is that many gay guys are not as strong minded and don't have the support of good friends or family they can rely on if life becomes harder to deal with and nobody can avoid having one or two of these periods. Those people with no one to back them up would be extremely likely to fall into the gay is me kinda mentality so that they have a feeling of belonging. Certainly is easier to be strong and individual when you are attractive, confident, strong, a good eduction and suppportive people around you. For everyone else of whom don't have some or all of those protective factors they gotta do what they can to get by. There are more people who are the latter in our communities than we acknowledge