White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture

  • bischero

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    Jul 11, 2014 6:23 AM GMT


    http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-stop-stealing-black-female-culture/


    Uhhh... anyone else think that she may just be a teensy over reactive here? I figured that the adoption of some of female black culture was a good thing, not a bad thing.
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    Jul 11, 2014 6:27 AM GMT
    And this is when Im glad I live in a place with little racial/cultural variety icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 11, 2014 6:31 AM GMT
    she's upset that some white and specifically gay guys use black phrases/accents on vine?
  • bischero

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    Jul 11, 2014 6:44 AM GMT
    JackBoneTX saidshe's upset that some white and specifically gay guys use black phrases/accents on vine?


    She appears to be upset that black women "Can't have anything" (From her Twitter account) and that white gays are "stealing" their culture. I don't understand.
  • Elian

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    Jul 11, 2014 6:52 AM GMT
    bischero said

    http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-stop-stealing-black-female-culture/


    Uhhh... anyone else think that she may just be a teensy over reactive here? I figured that the adoption of some of female black culture was a good thing, not a bad thing.


    I think she is indeed over reacting. I mean, she has no right to dictate how other people act or assume that anyone is mocking black women with their actions. There is no good and bad discrimination anyway.

    I think that she does well reminding everyone that discrimination still exist and has a point when she says that men should be aware of this and speak out against it. But every men should, charging against gay men is not a good way of raising awareness she is just making people feel targeted and not gaining any supporters for her cause....

    my two cents anyway...
  • buddycat

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    Jul 11, 2014 7:02 AM GMT
    Honey Please! Miss Thing needs to get over herself. You know girl mmm-hmmm.
  • SuntoryTime

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    Jul 11, 2014 7:05 AM GMT
    David3K saidAnd this is when Im glad I live in a place with little racial/cultural variety icon_cool.gif


    I never heard anyone say "I want to go to Uruguay", so I can see your situation not changing any time soon. Enjoy.

    The article: Yawn. I do however find non-blacks acting like hyper caricatures of black women annoying.
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    Jul 11, 2014 7:33 AM GMT
    SuntoryTime said
    David3K saidAnd this is when Im glad I live in a place with little racial/cultural variety icon_cool.gif

    I never heard anyone say "I want to go to Uruguay", so I can see your situation not changing any time soon. Enjoy.

    Actually my situation IS changing because of stuff like this:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/conzpreti/reasons-why-you-need-to-move-to-uruguay-in-2014
    I might start creating my own ethnic/cultural fights threads soon icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 11, 2014 11:02 AM GMT
    bischero said

    http://time.com/2969951/dear-white-gays-stop-stealing-black-female-culture/


    Uhhh... anyone else think that she may just be a teensy over reactive here? I figured that the adoption of some of female black culture was a good thing, not a bad thing.


    I use to be on a forum that was based on the real world/road rules challenges, and alot of gay members there liked to portray themselves as one of the sassy black females from BET shows or flavor of love. The gifts and memes they used were often of black women acting sassy. Some even pretended to be black girls and acted very ghetto.

    I've seen gay men of all races do it, so I do think the author should've acknowledge that, but from what i've seen on that forum and even here, I don't think she's exaggerating lol
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    Jul 11, 2014 11:48 AM GMT
    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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    Jul 11, 2014 11:57 AM GMT
    I saw this in another forum and somewhat lol'd at the placement of this rant.

    since when do black women and gay men read Time Magazine? lol jk
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    Jul 11, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
    She is hardly the first person to point out this tendency:

    http://aspenism.blogspot.com/2006/03/gay-dos-and-donts.html
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    Jul 11, 2014 12:26 PM GMT
    ShiftyJK08 saidShe is hardly the first person to point out this tendency:

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    http://aspenism.blogspot.com/2006/03/gay-dos-and-donts.html[/url]


    lol it happens more than people want to realize
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    Jul 12, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
    what this young black girl is missing is a gay history lesson, she obviously has no clue icon_rolleyes.gif

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    One of my all time favorites, black girl, please blame Sylvester, we ALL partied together icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Jul 12, 2014 11:45 PM GMT
    LOL. When did Time start allowing stories from random nobodies?
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    Jul 12, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    xrichx saidLOL. When did Time start allowing stories from random nobodies?


    i was also surprised that was on time's site, though i haven't frequented it ever. it says "Time Opinion" at the top.

    well i guess everything is a gossip rag now. thanks, huffingtonpost.
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    Jul 13, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
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    xrichx saidLOL. When did Time start allowing stories from random nobodies?


    i was also surprised that was on time's site, though i haven't frequented it ever. it says "Time Opinion" at the top.

    well i guess everything is a gossip rag now. thanks, huffingtonpost.




    Sierra Mannie is a rising senior majoring in Classics and English at the University of Mississippi. She is a regular contributor to the Opinion section of the school’s student newspaper

    1) A black girl from the oppressed south
    2) I am sure some kind of religious affiliation
    3) Too young and sheltered to understand our history culture
    4) An English major, not cultural studies (she is not a expert, just opinionated)
    5) Lack of understanding of the 1970's black disco diva and the, all gay men connection
    6) All she knows is Beyoncé, Rihanna as they are new in comparison
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    Jul 14, 2014 12:57 PM GMT
    owl_bundy said1. i think the article written by the college student is bullshit and she played herself. she basically went ahead and embraced the negative stereotypes that society continues to push onto black women and had the nerve to say that it's "black culture". that's sad that she wrote that shit as a college student.

    2. think that it's crazy how you have some white gay guys especially in the response box acting like they know what it's like to experience shit like sexism and racism because they experience homophobia when all three are different struggles that can't be compared and should be respectfully separated from each other.

    basically, telling women and nonwhites that they should "get over it" when they don't know what either one is like or could be empathetic towards both. in one of the comments, one person said that the author, as a black woman, had more rights than they did as a white gay guy. icon_lol.gif to me, it showed how severely disconnected to reality some of the guys responding were. last time i remember, a black woman had to deal with facing racism and sexism. she can't hide who she is. unless he's effeminate as all hell, walking around with rainbow flags, with a "i'm gay" t-shirt, nobody knows if that man is gay. nobody can tell someone is gay just by looking at them so no.... it's not the same. you can hide being gay but you can't hide being black female or a white male. let's cut the bullshit here. another thing that i don't get, there's a lot of gay white guys use being white to their benefit in the gay community and life period. some of them even try to create an atmosphere that is like jim crow or the 60s towards nonwhites where they're doing segregating and shit BUT then they're trying to act like victims because of the homophobia shit. makes no sense. icon_neutral.gif that is everyday shit. it makes you wonder if these guys are even aware of their environment or reality for that matter.

    3. don't like how she singled out and generalized white gay guys for something that a good number of gay guys from all walks of life do. i've seen more gay black men do it than white guys period. why isn't she saying anything about them?


    I have come to the conclusion that - while they are different - these three groups are related because those doing the oppressing are generally the same and motivated for the same reason: Straight, white, cisgender males of privilege who are afraid that any deviation from the status quo will diminish that privilege.

    You don't think there is any sexism at the root of the way fem gay men are treated? They are choosing the "inferior" role which an alpha male can't get his head around, so he responds with anger or derision. Likewise, a butch lesbian or any woman who asserts herself in business or sports is perceived as a threat because she is seen as trying to claim territory that has long been a male domain.

    I'm convinced that half the hostility towards Obama and Hillary Clinton is this: a subset of the population can't stand the idea that a black man or a woman could not only be in control, but be successful at it. I think the only reason Sarah Palin got as far as she did is because she was a figure of fun, and these people probably saw her candidacy as "cute" but not to be taken seriously. Plus she reinforced norms by highlighting her status as a mom, which such men would find comforting. Scary stuff when you're electing the person who is one heartbeat away from the launch codes.

    One more thought about the gay vs. black dynamic. You pointed out that a gay person could at least attempt to remain anonymous, while a person of color has no choice but to be identified as such. However, people of color don't have to explain or hide their ethnicity to their families, either. While it's true that there are some distinct differences, there are also some strong parallels and I feel like - by respectfully honoring both - we can accomplish more by working together.
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    Jul 14, 2014 1:22 PM GMT
    Is she dissing my hoes?
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 14, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    I can see why she would be offended if white gay men were treating her differently, or being prejudiced towards her. I know that when straight people act like gay men they're often making fun of us. But I'm not sure if the gay men she's worried about are actually making fun of her. It's more like they wish they were a diva, and so they act like Beyoncé.

    (I think the real issue of racism in the gay community is how gay men treat each other.)

    Another thing that bugs me is that she thinks we all just go in and out of the closet at our convenience, like being gay is a light switch we can turn off and on. Many gay men, especially the ones who act like women, really can't hide their gayness even if it will protect them to do so, thus they really do experience discrimination.

    She should watch the movie "Paris is Burning." I think everyone should be bowing down to Gay black MEN, herself included.icon_wink.gif

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    HottJoe saidAnother thing that bugs me is that she thinks we all just go in and out of the closet at our convenience, like being gay is a light switch we can turn off and on. Many gay men, especially the ones who act like women, really can't hide their gayness even if it will protect them to do so, thus they really do experience discrimination.


    that part stood out to me too. we all know there's gay guys that can NOT hide being gay but she insinuates they all can and easily.

    hopefully she felt better after the rant. it won't change but 3 people if that though.
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    Jul 14, 2014 11:26 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidSierra Mannie is a rising senior majoring in Classics and English at the University of Mississippi.

    And those two majors aren't ones that prospective employers will be hoping applicants will have degrees in. Perhaps her school doesn't offer a degree in journalism.
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    Jul 15, 2014 3:32 AM GMT
    Lol am I the only guy who's witness the type of gay men the author was referring to?

    I think at worst, when a gay man channels his "inner black diva" he's not mocking black women or degrading them maliciously. Unfortunately to glamorize one aspect can come off as ignorant.

    To piggyback off what hotjoe originally said, I believe that if a straight guy was to channel his "inner gay" that appeared to be a generalized stereotype SOMEONE is gonna be offended and give the whole "that's not all that we are, don't put us all in a box like that" etc.............

    So I do believe there is a fine line between having respect for a different culture and intentionally/unintentionally mocking the very culture you want to relate to.