Cave Man Diet or Vegetarian

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    Jan 09, 2009 11:06 PM GMT
    I am a life long vegetarian (not vegan). I find the idea of meat and fish disgusting; however, I am also concerned that my personal bias may be affecting my health. I want to eat well and at over 50 I want to do everything to maintain my health.

    I am wondering if anyone has gone from something approaching being a vegetarian to a diet similiar to the cave man diet or how I could modify my diet to mimic the cave man diet without the meat. I could see trying to modify my attitude to meat, though I am not sure I can.

    I am healthy overall, weight and such. Cholesterol is 148 w/out meds. I am slower, memory is bad, sleep is poor and for the last year plagued by mysterious rashes that three different doc's say are just something I have to live with.

    I realize these two diets are two extremes in a way. And even the question can be considered contradictory.

    Your thoughts are appreciated.

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    Jan 10, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    maynotkeep saidI am wondering if anyone has gone from something approaching being a vegetarian to a diet similiar to the cave man diet or how I could modify my diet to mimic the cave man diet without the meat. I could see trying to modify my attitude to meat, though I am not sure I can.


    I was lacto-vegetarian for a few years until the cravings for poultry got to be too much. Then, for almost 20 years, I was predominantly vegetarian, having a little fish or poultry 2-3 times per week, with cooked whole grains and beans making up a large proportion of my diet. When my metabolism slowed in my late 30s, I started getting fat from the heavy carb load and blood sugar swings that drove me to overeat. In Oct 2003, I cut out most of the grain and beans and started eating more meat and vegetables. I dropped from 190 down to 160 in five months. In the past year, I've cut out the dairy, wheat, and oats (leaving only an occasional meal with wild rice as only remaining grain in my diet.) I've also stopped eating beef and started hunting deer. Basically, the more paleo my diet, the better I feel. To be perfectly honest, your situation doesn't surprise me a bit. I live in a town with lots of long-term vegetarians, and for all the hyped health claims about vegetarianism, I don't see much robust health resulting from it.

    I'm not a health professional, but when I see your skin, sleep, and memory problems, my guess is that you're probably eating too little fat or the wrong fats. A caveman diet without the meat is going to be fruit and vegetables. No grains, beans, or dairy. A purist would say no potatoes or sweetpotatoes. If you need more protein but don't want meat, have some eggs.
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    Jan 10, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    You are right about the fat issue; I get too little it seems. My doc has told me to eat raw almonds, pecans and use olive oil. But without grains, meat or dairy how does one get protein?
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    Jan 10, 2009 12:13 PM GMT
    maynotkeep saidBut without grains, meat or dairy how does one get protein?


    As vegans are wont to say, as a percentage of calories, vegetables have as much protein as steak. Of course, vegetables are far less calorically dense than meat, so you'll have to eat huge quantities of vegetables to get the amount of protein you'd get from a much smaller quantity of meat. Paleo diets also include nuts and some seeds (sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, etc.), which are a paleo source of both protein and fat.

    If I were trying to do a meatless paleo diet, I'd compromise on the protein and include whey protein isolate (isolate, as opposed to concentrate, because it is virtually fat and lactose free.) There are also vegan protein concentrates (pea, rice, soy, hemp) that you could try. They make me sick to my stomach, so I stick with whey protein on workout days.

    A great source for proteins, including the vegan ones, is:

    http://www.trueprotein.com/