Fasting: A Good Idea?

  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 09, 2009 11:41 PM GMT
    Looks like this dude lost a lot of weight rapidly...

    http://starvation-diet.com/before.html


    BEFORE DAY 1
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    AFTER DAY 20
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  • MikemikeMike

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    Jan 10, 2009 10:01 AM GMT
    Never a good idea- he still loks like shit, just with a tan. Plus he will gain it right back.

    He'd be better off eating right and doing real cardio and ab work. I'm sure in 6-8 months I could make him hot. Ive done if before.
  • vindog

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    Jan 10, 2009 7:30 PM GMT


    Look at those child-bearing hips!
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    Jan 10, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    An absolutely bad idea for a long variety of reasons. Google up on feast/famine response. Google up on calorie deprivation.

    In a sentence, this practice teaches your body how to be a super-efficient fat-storing machine and goes beyond idiotic.
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    Jan 10, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    The profile pics at that link seemed to illustrate more of the stomach loss, also the upper arms & thighs. But I've always understood that stravation diets cause the loss of muscle mass along with the fat, and can cause harmful changes in body chemistry, impacting negatively on organs and the brain. Is that still not the accepted wisdom?
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    Jan 10, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAn absolutely bad idea for a long variety of reasons. Google up on feast/famine response. Google up on calorie deprivation.

    In a sentence, this practice teaches your body how to be a super-efficient fat-storing machine and goes beyond idiotic.


    I'm with Chucky on this one.

    The son of a friend of mine used to weigh more than 500 pounds. His body was so efficient at holding on to fat that he would not lose weight on a 500 calorie per day diet. He finally had a gastric bypass and is losing the weight.
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    Jan 11, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    This looks dangerous. But after reading through the guy's website, he seems to have convinced himself that it's perfectly safe. icon_neutral.gif
  • GoodPup

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    Jan 11, 2009 7:21 AM GMT
    I did a weeklong fast once back when I was more of a church going guy... only water and some juices for the week.
    I could never go that long again, hahaha!
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    Jan 11, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
    It´s a terrible, terrible idea. Absolutely the worst way to lose weight, and it won´t stay off. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 12, 2009 12:27 AM GMT
    Here's one of his latest postings:
    Well, I know how I kept saying that this fast is really easy and it's given me heaps of energy etc, now the hard part begins. I want to present fasting as it is, warts and all with no exagerations or half truths.

    Today my energy levels are really low and I have quite a few new symptoms. I have been waiting for this to happen. It is what is known in the fasting world as a healing crisis, also known as the "Herxheimer Reaction". Basically, it is when you body releases more toxins into your blood stream than your body can eliminate.

    This might sound really bad but it is why a lot of people fast in the first place for as it is a genuine cleanse of the system. We all have years of toxins stored in our bodies and fasting releases them. The symptoms I am experiencing are listed below.

    * Fatigue
    * Dizziness
    * Mild Headaches
    * Shakiness
    * Acid Reflux
    * Nausea
    * Diarrhea

    That last symptom surprised me as I haven't had a bowel movement in over 20 days. I wondered how it is even possible as I have put nothing into my system. It isn't food waste, it is actual body waste excreted from my fat cells and elsewhere.

    Amazingly, all my symptoms disappear after going to the toilet and I feel totally normal again. Fasters say that the healing crisis can last anywhere between 3 days to 3 weeks and it comes and goes. Some days you are fine, other days you are screwed.
  • MuslDrew

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    Jan 12, 2009 12:49 AM GMT
    It's malnutrition, lowers the metabolism, loses muscle mass, stores bodyfat. we get hungry for a reason. we need to eat to nourish our bodies.
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    Jan 12, 2009 1:22 AM GMT
    I once fainted in church, but I think it's because I'm the anti-christ, and I eat like a pig.
  • vindog

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    Jan 12, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidHere's one of his latest postings:
    Well, I know how I kept saying that this fast is really easy and it's given me heaps of energy etc, now the hard part begins. I want to present fasting as it is, warts and all with no exagerations or half truths.

    Today my energy levels are really low and I have quite a few new symptoms. I have been waiting for this to happen. It is what is known in the fasting world as a healing crisis, also known as the "Herxheimer Reaction". Basically, it is when you body releases more toxins into your blood stream than your body can eliminate.

    This might sound really bad but it is why a lot of people fast in the first place for as it is a genuine cleanse of the system. We all have years of toxins stored in our bodies and fasting releases them. The symptoms I am experiencing are listed below.

    * Fatigue
    * Dizziness
    * Mild Headaches
    * Shakiness
    * Acid Reflux
    * Nausea
    * Diarrhea

    That last symptom surprised me as I haven't had a bowel movement in over 20 days. I wondered how it is even possible as I have put nothing into my system. It isn't food waste, it is actual body waste excreted from my fat cells and elsewhere.

    Amazingly, all my symptoms disappear after going to the toilet and I feel totally normal again. Fasters say that the healing crisis can last anywhere between 3 days to 3 weeks and it comes and goes. Some days you are fine, other days you are screwed.


    specifically what TOXINS are you talking about?


    Seriously the war on body toxins is like the war on terror..

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    Jan 12, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    Every time I see this thread I see a different word than Fasting. Please. Make it stop.
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    Jan 12, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAn absolutely bad idea for a long variety of reasons. Google up on feast/famine response. Google up on calorie deprivation.

    In a sentence, this practice teaches your body how to be a super-efficient fat-storing machine and goes beyond idiotic.


    google up "calorie restriction" - ie on of the most promising possible ways towards extended longevity
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    Jan 12, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    There's no doubt that, in un-trained, sedentary, individuals, weighing less, extends mortality. That was well documented years ago. However, that does not hold true in TRAINED individuals, and, in trained individuals, just the opposite is true. (UNT 1999) In fact, competitive and professional bodybuilders enjoy a LOWER mortality than the lay population, and than even other trained individuals, even though their BMIs (bunk) go off the chart. (Mine routinely runs 28 to 32.)

    That's still not germane to this topic, because being underweight, and sedentary, versus, being heavier and sedentary, makes the lighter folks live longer, but, here, the poster was speaking of fasting, which is incredibly bad for you.

    Starvation eating is why so many fat folks fail in their diets. They literally train their bodies how to become fat storing machines and prime themselves, especially in repeated attempts, for failure. This metabolic de-activation is a major cause of their obesity.

    I'm afraid carabin did not research this fully, and didn't compare oranges to oranges. Oops.

    You may wish to dig further next time. Sorry that you're wrong, but, such is the case here.
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    Jan 12, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    growingbig saidEvery time I see this thread I see a different word than Fasting. Please. Make it stop.


    I thought the exact same thing! icon_evil.gif

    He looks completely malnourished, though. I would never fast for the life of me, I love my meats and veggies too much. icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 13, 2009 2:58 AM GMT
    obviously you are not familiar with the term "calorie restriction"icon_smile.gif i did my research, thank you.
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    Jan 13, 2009 3:25 AM GMT
    Answering the thread's topic "Fasting: A Good Idea?"

    Starvation eating is why so many fat folks fail in their diets. They literally train their bodies how to become fat storing machines and prime themselves, especially in repeated attempts, for failure. This metabolic de-activation is a major cause of their obesity.

    Fasting is NOT a good idea for all the reasons mentioned previously.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 13, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    vindog said

    specifically what TOXINS are you talking about?


    Seriously the war on body toxins is like the war on terror..

    I'm not talking about any toxins, it is a quote from the person doing the fasting.
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    Jan 13, 2009 3:39 AM GMT
    As a byproduct of metabolism, some toxins are captured in adipose tissue. During fat catabolism these toxins are released into the blood stream[18] and present the body with a second challenge for their elimination. The body will continue to use fat for as long as there is fat to consume. The body will generally indicate to the faster when fat levels are running extremely low (less than 7% of bodyweight for males 10% for females) with an increased urge for food. Fasts are usually broken long before this point. If the fast is not broken, starvation will begin to occur, as the body begins to use protein for fuel. Death can occur if fasting is pursued to the point of complete starvation.

    Glucose is the body's primary fuel source, and is essential for the brain's functioning. When denied glucose for more than 4-8 hours, the body will turn to the liver for glycogen, a storage form of glucose, to be used for fuel. A process called glycogenolysis converts glycogen into a usable form of fuel. At this point, the body will also use small amounts of protein to supplement this fuel. This fuel will last for up to 12 hours before the body needs to turn to muscle stores of glycogen, lasting for a few more days. If glucose is still denied at this point, muscle wasting is prevented by temporarily switching to fat as the fuel source meaning fat is converted into ketone through catabolism. Ketones, while not sugars, are able to be used by the brain as a fuel source as long as glucose is denied.

    Prolonged fasting can result in serious health problems. It is highly advised that anyone thinking of fasting as a "diet" consult a physician or dietitian before they start. Fasting can result in harmful and irreversible health problems if maintained too long, or not done properly with the advice of a health professional.

    While insulin sensitivity is increased via fasting, exercise works better, and is healthier.

    In a nut shell, if you don't want muscle, if you want a slow metabolism, and you want to be grouchy, with impaired cognitive function, fasting is a sure bet to accomplish those goals.

    Through exercise, all the benefits of fasting, and more, without all the side effects, can be realized.

    It's just a real bad idea.

    To exercise you need fuel, and fuel = food.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 16, 2009 4:45 AM GMT
    He ended it:

    "Well, I have some bad news for you all. I was hungry all day yesterday and my kidneys were really aching. I went to bed hungry, could barely sleep all night and I woke up this morning still extremely hungry.

    A friend of mine came over this morning and said I looked like an old man because of the way I was walking and my face was really withdrawn.

    I wanted to struggle through it with the hope that these symptoms would pass but everyone told me that my body would tell me when to break the fast. So on day 26, I have had to break the fast and have eaten 2 slices of watermelon. I will have an orange later on consuming 200 calories of fruit today.

    Sorry to everyone that wanted to see 40 days worth of fasting action icon_razz.gif

    I really believe that if you carried on this way, the average person could reach a skeleton state in around 40 days. I probably have enough fat to go a little longer than 40 and am surprised my hunger came back so soon.

    But anyway, after feeling really weak, the watermelon has brought life back into me and am starting to feel a lot better.

    After a few days of fruit, I will move on to salads and lean meat. I was really nervous about breaking it with all the talk of "refeeding syndrome" but since it is only a 25 day fast, there seemed to be little risk. The watermelon went down fine and it is staying down.

    I will update this site once a week with photos and weights to see if I put all the weight back on. I predict I will put on about 3 kilos of water weight over the next day or so, and will continue losing 1 kilo a week on a 500 calorie defict with cardio and weights.

    All up, I have lost 33 pounds in 25 days or 15 kilos.

    I have updated the conclusion page with my final thoughts on water fasting. Good luck to the rest of you that started water fasting, hopefuly you can go longer than 25 days. But please break it when the time is right for you."

    This guy could've killed himself!