Height of Irony: Vietnamese People Desire to Ally with USA

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    Jul 13, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
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    NYT: The Vietnamese people cannot fight Chinese encroachment alone. Political isolation in a globalized world is tantamount to committing political suicide for Vietnam. And the key ally for Vietnam today is the United States — an alliance that the Vietnamese liberation hero Ho Chi Minh ironically always wanted.

    The Vietnamese people have fought for thousands of years to maintain our culture and independence, in the shadow of a giant neighbor. But continuing blindness and stupidity have poisoned generations of Vietnamese leaders, even when their Chinese “comrades” blatantly started a border war in 1979 and invaded and occupied the Paracel Islands in 1974 and the Spratly Islands in 1988 — which for centuries both belonged to Vietnam. After the revolutions in Eastern Europe in 1989, Vietnamese leaders tried to protect Communism from an embarrassing demise in Southeast Asia. At a now-infamous meeting in Chengdu, China, in 1990, Vietnamese leaders signed agreements that made our country even more dependent on China — a betrayal of our interests and a national shame.

    For personal gain, some Vietnamese have even become traitors, blindly toeing the Chinese line. They are reminiscent of the reviled 18th-century king Le Chieu Thong, the last ruler of the Le Dynasty, who died in exile in China. But the cowardice of Vietnamese leaders has never been so blatant as in the past 25 years. Vietnam’s government has put a so-called communist-socialist bond with China above national interests and the well-being of its citizens. Our leaders have regarded invaders as friends.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/opinion/sunday/vietnams-overdue-alliance-with-america.html?_r=0
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 13, 2014 5:05 PM GMT
    International politics is full of ironies.

    Wouldn`t it be so if the US and Iran cooperated on what`s going on in Iraq?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 13, 2014 6:02 PM GMT
    I think that it is time for bygones to be bygones and give the people of Vietnam a chance when it comes to being allies. The US needs more friends, not more enemies. This could help bring eventual democratic rule to the people of Vietnam.
  • interesting

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    Jul 15, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
    Vietnamese leaders are nothing more than a bunch of sewer rats who are willing to ship their own family down the river to benefit themselves. As we all saw what happened with those islands, China threw its weight around and get what it wants, Vietnam constantly puts the whole country into the hands of those who only look out for themselves.

    China can't get away when doing this to Japan or the Philippines. It's funny, the Vietnamese people doesn't really have a say, more like the dirty rats that run the country do.
  • tj85016

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    Jul 15, 2014 2:04 AM GMT
    Lincsbear saidInternational politics is full of ironies.

    Wouldn`t it be so if the US and Iran cooperated on what`s going on in Iraq?


    we wouldn't have these issues if England, Spain and France didn't completely fuck up 80% of the globe
  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 15, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    Lincsbear saidInternational politics is full of ironies.

    Wouldn`t it be so if the US and Iran cooperated on what`s going on in Iraq?


    we wouldn't have these issues if England, Spain and France didn't completely fuck up 80% of the globe


    The trouble for the modern world is that the US seems to have uncritically inherited the same old imperial mindset as some European countries once had. It doesn`t seem to have learnt from their errors. It treated Iraq in 2003 the same as the British did in 1918: to be ordered for its own benefit.

    Unfortunately, it didn`t quite work out that way.

    If the two countries do cooperate in Iraq, it`ll be fascinating to watch them justify it; the posturing, the language, etc.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jul 15, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    Short history lesson: France ruled Viet Nam in its colonial days. You may jump on the popular bandwagon about how mean all colonial rule was but in many cases, it brought order, education, a legal system, and roads to loose confederations of petty rulers. When WW2 broke out and France pulled out, Viet Nam jumped into the war using the old French governmental tools and became a trusted ally thumping the Japanese at least on home soil. After the war, we regrettably handed Viet Nam back to the French because de Gaulle insisted as a condition of French cooperation in NATO. At that time, Viet Nam had reestablished itself as a constitutional government with the American constitution as its guide. Americans were invited to the celebration. When we betrayed them, the French had to fight to keep it as a possession. When they failed, we invaded.

    It is no irony that they want to ally with us. We've been on the wrong side of history for 70 years. Over 50,000 Americans died trying to prove what stupid people Americans are and how willing we are to follow our politicians to the death. Same with Iraq. Only in that war, the Republicans and their war-thumping patriotism only killed 4,200 American men.
  • Apparition

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    Jul 19, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    America is only friends with people it has bEen at war with. Rich people pissing contests. Then business goes back to normal drainng the peasants.