Unemployment sucks!

  • Freddo

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    Jan 10, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    So I have been on the job hunt for the past 5 months with very little success. I got my master's degree (in Poli. Sci... yeah I know...) in August, and expected with the economy the way that it is, it would take a while to get a job... however it has been a really long time. It is starting to get a bit depressing. I had a job that I loved that I had to give up when I graduated, which sucked. Outside a pretty good job I had over the holidays I have been without since then. I am constantly on the search (in fact I am in the process of applying to one as we speak), with little results to show for it. I guess my question is, is anyone else having the same problems with the unemployment rate being so high? Does any one have any pointers? Words of advice?

    Well... back to job hunting icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 10, 2009 3:15 AM GMT
    Being in the IT field, I've had my share of unemployed moments. I don't have any direct advice for your particular field. But in this day and age, it's more about who you know and not necessarily what you know. I got my current and previous jobs through referrals from friends and acquaintances. So networking is your friend. If you haven't already, I would suggest signing up on linkedin.com or some other professional networking site. I'm sure your university has some alumni referral program as well.

    Just curious.. What was previous job and why did you have to give it up? Also, what exactly do you want to do with your poly sci degree?
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    Yeah, I'm having trouble. I have to move back home at the end of the month because of it. When I made that decision I just cried and cried because I felt embarrased and humiliated.
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    Jan 10, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    unemployment rules...
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    Jan 10, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    Freddo, Florida and the east coast in general were harder hit by the current recession than other areas. Here in KC the recession is barely felt. many companies here had good paying jobs, and the living expenses are lower than most other areas. Perhaps you should look in other areas of the country that are not suffering as badly as Florida.
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    Jan 10, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    In answering I know I risk annoying you by repeating something that you may have already heard over and over, but here goes:

    Most jobs are never advertised. That's doubly true for the best career boosting jobs. They are filled by word of mouth or by headhunters. While that shouldn't stop you from looking at job postings, the best thing you can do is to network like crazy. Start in the obvious places by making sure that everyone you know: friends, family, former co-workers, former classmates, professors knows what you're looking for.

    You may also want to think about doing some volunteer work. Not only is it good for your mind and and soul, it expands your network. Temping in a field you might be interested in can help as well.

    Finally, a technique that has worked wonders for me in the past is informational interviewing. Find people who are working in the field you're interested in (alumni offices can be very helpful), call them up or write to them and tell them you're interested in the field and that you would like to talk to them to learn more about what the career is like. Make a point of not asking for a job. Most people love taking about what they do. And people in the field are going to be the first to hear about opportunities. If they like you, your name will come to them when they hear of something because they will want someone around that they like and that they've helped out. I have seen this create a groundswell to the point that I had a fan club in a couple of companies that initially had no plans to hire anyone let alone me.

    The overall job situation is indeed pretty grim. But there are jobs out there. It's just going to take some extra luck, imagination and perseverance to get a good one.

    Best of luck.
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    Jan 10, 2009 8:06 PM GMT
    Have you given any thought to working for yourself?
  • Freddo

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    Jan 10, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    Oh wow, a lot of really good replies... I'll try to address some of the questions and comments here.

    xrichx - I had a library job that I worked at for four years. The job I had could not be filled by non-students, and the library is in deep financial trouble so they can't hire any more staff for the forseeable future (I tried). The thing loved most about that job was the people. The job itself was mostly checking in and out books (and going on the net when there were no patrons there icon_smile.gif ). The people who worked there (especially the night supervisor, the one that I worked with most) were the best.

    Anmianimus - I am currently looking into marketing and market research for job positions. Most marketing positions don't require a specific degree as long as you have one... but lots require agency experience, which is what I am trying to get. Entry level marketing agency jobs are scarce right now apparently. I applied to many part time jobs right after I graduated, but too many employers look at the master's degree and pass me over because I am "over-qualified"icon_mad.gif. I had a job over the holidays as a customer service assistant at my local UPS store last month, but that is because I worked for him before (5 years ago over the holidays) and he knows me well. Unfortunately the store didn't have the money to keep me after Christmas was over. I liked that job.

    ThelStrat - Don't feel too down, I had talked to a friend of mine who graduated 2 years ago... she told me to expect it to take 4 months... in a good economy. I had friends where it took 6 and 8 months to find a job... two years ago. I have had the same depressed feelings too, but things will get better.

    MeanMikey - Yeah, not so much icon_smile.gif

    Cowboiway - The north is definitely my place of choice. I absolutely hate Florida. I hate the weather and the economy sucks. I am looking heavily into Chicago, as I have family up there and it is cold. I am also interested in the Twin Cities (born near there, always loved MN), New York (very vibrant city, also cold), DC (fairly good economy, big), and Boston (big and cold). I am also looking into cities in OH, CO, MO, IN, and PA. The rest of New England is not out of the qustion either. CA, AZ, OR, WA, and TX are not quite cold enough, but I am looking there too for a temporary solution.

    Flieslike - Those are some very good suggestions. I will definitely look into what you said. The headhunter thing is especially intreging. I joined a staffing place yesterday up in Chicago... looks like there are some good jobs there too. I found out my uncle took a temp job at Shell 18 years ago, he worked his way up, and now he is a very important guy in his company right now. Amazing story.

    SSguy69 - That would be interesting, but I would need money to do that though I would think... plus there wouldn't be a lot of social interaction, which is something I am looking for in a job.
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    Jan 11, 2009 5:08 AM GMT
    Find something you enjoy and are truly interested in and think of ways in which you could turn it into a business.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 11, 2009 5:26 AM GMT
    ssguy69 saidFind something you enjoy and are truly interested in and think of ways in which you could turn it into a business.
    Porn?
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    Jan 11, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    My mom always told me the best thing to do during a depression is to go back to school. If I end up losing my job, I'm going to go back to college, get a shitload of loans, and worry about paying them off in the future.
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    Jan 11, 2009 11:50 PM GMT
    I think I'm being laid off from my part-time job. They stopped writing me hours on the schedule. It's the old negligence routine. I'm not surprised, though. The hospital that I work for needs to make $28 million in budget cuts by the end of the fiscal year. It's a bummer because I need this job to pay bills.

    And it's damn hard to find another job right now!
  • mcdowellmtn1

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    Hi Freddo,

    I agree with the advice that it is time to ramp up your networking. The more people you put yourself in front of the better chance of getting a lead on one of the un-advertised jobs.

    I also would suggest that you think of getting into a business for yourself, a plan B to have as a backup for the future. No JOB, working for someone else is going to give you long term security.

    A Network marketing business might be the best thing for you to take a look at right now while you are pursuing your next job and have some extra time on your hands. A good network marketing company will also give you an immediate networking circle to make job contacts. It could be a Win, Win situation for you.

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    Best of everything to you.

  • Mikeylikesit

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    Ugh it sucks.....I got two degrrees in engineering. I find myself now going back to School again in my 40's.....icon_eek.gif......I trying a career in Nursing now....dunno what that future holds either.....icon_evil.gif
    I experienced this same crap in the 91 when I came out of college.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    My apartment lease is up next month. If I don't find a job soon I have no idea what's going to happen. On one hand I'll be out of my lease if I don't find a job on the other I don't know where I'll be living.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    ^ Don't you have friends or family that will let you crash at their place? I know that's not the best situation. But I'm sure it's better than living out of your car or whatever.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    xrichx said^ Don't you have friends or family that will let you crash at their place? I know that's not the best situation. But I'm sure it's better than living out of your car or whatever.


    Yeah, but it would require me to move to a very small redneck town in republicanland.
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:20 AM GMT
    Aww.. That sucks. I hope you find something soon.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 14, 2009 2:49 PM GMT
    Well I'm pretty lucky since I run my own scene (my own financial firm), but
    this economy presents its own share of challenges for everybody.

    Sorry to hear you are having such a time. I assume you are looking for a job in other cities as well. Are you willing to move? If you just can't find anything, I'd suggest some additional schooling for a field where there are a demand for professionals (like education for example). You might say that education sucks, but I'm just pointing out that you might have to vary what you had originally planned due to economic factors.

    I do have an idea.... Post an employment ad (seriously) on here,(make a thread about it) Who you are, your qualifications, what you are looking for and parameters. You never know who might help you out... seriously!
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    Feb 14, 2009 2:55 PM GMT
    Yeah, my sister is not working now and I suggested that she go on vacation, work on her journal, write a few songs, and beef up her resume. This is a time of reflection.
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    Feb 14, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    Don't forget Civil Service. The Federal Government currently has over 38,000 jobs listed on USAJobs.gov I retired at age 56 after 30 years with the Treasury Department. It was a great career with stability, benefits, training, travel, and good people. The Government will be creating many new positions to oversee the economic stimulus plan also.
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    Feb 14, 2009 3:10 PM GMT
    Bill202 said The Government will be creating many new positions to oversee the economic stimulus plan also.



    So they say
  • carew28

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    Jan 26, 2010 12:33 AM GMT
    I personally think that the job-market now is the worst it's been since the Great Depression in the 1920's. I know many middle-aged people in their 40s and 50s who've been laid-off from jobs they worked at for 20 years, and are now working at minimum-wage ($8.00 hour) jobs, just to make a living. Actually, they're not quite making a living, as they're not earning enough to live on, but there's no other alternative.

    I myself got laid-off in 2003 from a job I'd held for 20 years. Over the next 2 years I worked at temporary jobs, which were decent, but had no benefits. Eventually I went to substitute-teaching, which led to a permanent job as a teachers' aide, which is minimum-wage, but at least it has sick-leave and health-insurance (although the weekly health-insurance premium is 25% of my pay). I had to sell my house and move in with my brother (who also got laid-off from his long-term career job, and is now working as a minimum-wage security-guard). Neither of us is earning enough to live on, but I do like my present job, despite the low pay. I don't know what's going to happen in the future, though, when the leftover money from the sale of my house runs out. I'm presently looking for a part-time weekend job, which is no fun when you're in your 50s.

    I'd say, don't give up, keep on trying no matter what. Don't be afraid to take a minimum-wage job if nothing else is available. They're decent, worthwhile, necessary jobs, and do provide you with the satisfaction of working, no matter how hard it is to make ends meet. You'll probably have to forget about recreation, vacations, etc. , but hopefully something better will eventually come along, especially if you're young, and if you can be patient. Good luck, and keep trying, don't give up.

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    Jan 26, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Don't do marketing..

    Bill202 saidDon't forget Civil Service. The Federal Government currently has over 38,000 jobs listed on USAJobs.gov I retired at age 56 after 30 years with the Treasury Department. It was a great career with stability, benefits, training, travel, and good people. The Government will be creating many new positions to oversee the economic stimulus plan also.


    Do this.

    Entry-level marketing jobs are mostly bs, along with most entry-level jobs advertised on sites like monster. I wasted way too much time going for them. Once I started seriously looking into jobs that weren't advertised I got 4 job offers within two weeks, and this was just under a year ago. I helped a couple friends find jobs too because they were having the same problem. A lot of government jobs are just recently lifting hiring freezes so it's definitely something to consider.

    Flieslikeabeagle also had good advice.
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    Jan 26, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    BronzeChew saidDon't do marketing..

    Bill202 saidDon't forget Civil Service. The Federal Government currently has over 38,000 jobs listed on USAJobs.gov I retired at age 56 after 30 years with the Treasury Department. It was a great career with stability, benefits, training, travel, and good people. The Government will be creating many new positions to oversee the economic stimulus plan also.


    Do this.

    Entry-level marketing jobs are mostly bs, along with most entry-level jobs advertised on sites like monster. I wasted way too much time going for them. Once I started seriously looking into jobs that weren't advertised I got 4 job offers within two weeks, and this was just under a year ago. I helped a couple friends find jobs too because they were having the same problem. A lot of government jobs are just recently lifting hiring freezes so it's definitely something to consider.

    Flieslikeabeagle also had good advice.


    Where did you find these unadvertised jobs? I'd assume they'd be hard to locate if they're unadvertised...