Health Survey: About 2 Percent Of Americans Are Gay Or Lesbian

  • metta

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    Jul 15, 2014 11:08 PM GMT
    Health Survey: About 2 Percent Of Americans Are Gay Or Lesbian

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/health-survey-americans-gay_n_5587696.html
  • tazzari

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    Jul 15, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    Given the number of closet cases and those who haven't come out yet, I'd question the accuracy of the survey. There's also the issue of why numbers should matter, but I'm certain right-wingers will find a way to use this to our disadvantage.
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    Jul 16, 2014 2:26 AM GMT
    Here are links to numerous other studies done over the years 1948 thru 2011

    [url]http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/bib-homoprev.html[/url
    1972
    4% of the white college-educated males and between 1-2% (and closer to 1%) of white females were predominantly or exclusively homosexual.

    1979
    They found 9.9% of the males in the College Sample had extensive homosexual experience. 3.7% of females had extensive homosexual experience.

    1991
    the 1988 and 1989 National Opinion Research Center's (NORC) General Social Surveys, and classified 5-6% of adults as homosexual or bisexual

    1993
    Janus and Janus, in their cross-sectional (not random) nationwide survey of American adults aged 18 and over, stated that 9% of men and 5% of women reported having had homosexual experiences "frequently" or "ongoing." In another measure, 4% of men and 2% of women self-identified as homosexual

    1994
    Homosexuality was viewed as a complex of same-gender behavior, desire, and identity. 9% of men and 4% of women reported having engaged in at least one same-gender sexual activity since puberty

    1995
    Combined data from the GSS and NHSLS surveys showed 5.3% of men reporting sexual activity with a same-gender partner since age 18. Data from the NABS showed 6.5% of men reporting sex with men during the previous five years. The highest prevalence was found in central cities of the 12 largest SMSAs (14.4% since age 1icon_cool.gif and among "highly educated" White males (10.8%).

    1998
    Based on one or more of the overlapping measures, 15.3% of males reported being homosexual to some degree.

    2010
    While about 7% of adult women and 8% of men identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the proportion of individuals in the U.S


    The one I thought most interesting, posted I think by Metta a while back, was that one where they specifically questioned in a way to absolutely assure participants that no one would ever know their answers and then the numbers skyrocketed. I don't recall what they were exactly but I do remember I was a bit stunned by their results.

    Maybe Metta recalls what thread that was reported in?
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    Jul 16, 2014 2:43 AM GMT
    I would have to question results of this as well knowing the already Kinsey Scale, maybe the 2% is exclusively homo? According to Kinsey, that is only the far end of the scale


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    Jul 16, 2014 3:05 AM GMT


    definitely more than 2%, when we use the entire scale


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  • kew1

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    Jul 16, 2014 11:37 AM GMT
    Apparently Grindr has 950,000 profiles in London. If half of London is male, that's about 19% . If they mean London and surrounding towns, that'll still be about 10% gay/bi/justdamnhorny. Or a lot of people have joined many times.
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    Jul 16, 2014 12:59 PM GMT
    Not surprising that identity and behavior yield very different numbers. There are quite a lot of guys who look at and/or play with other guys but who would never claim to be anything other than straight.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 16, 2014 4:09 PM GMT
    Two percent is a huge number. It's one whole star on the flag.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 16, 2014 4:38 PM GMT
    theantijock saidThe one I thought most interesting, posted I think by Metta a while back, was that one where they specifically questioned in a way to absolutely assure participants that no one would ever know their answers and then the numbers skyrocketed...


    Found that study...

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w19508?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw
    The Size of the LGBT Population and the Magnitude of Anti-Gay Sentiment are Substantially Underestimated

    NBER Working Paper No. 19508
    Issued in October 2013

    Measuring sexual orientation, behavior, and related opinions is difficult because responses are biased towards socially acceptable answers. We test whether measurements are biased even when responses are private and anonymous and use our results to identify sexuality-related norms and how they vary. We run an experiment on 2,516 U.S. participants. Participants were randomly assigned to either a “best practices method” that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a “veiled elicitation method” that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01). The results show non-heterosexuality and anti-gay sentiment are substantially underestimated in existing surveys, and the privacy afforded by current best practices is not always sufficient to eliminate bias. Finally, our results identify two social norms: it is perceived as socially undesirable both to be open about being gay, and to be unaccepting of gay individuals.


    So as noted by others, not only did the study in the OP deal not with the percentage of LBGT but rather of those merely "identifying" as gay, but answering such a question from such an organization seems about as far from a "veiled elicitation method" as there could be, other than maybe being surveyed, live, on reality TV.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jul 17, 2014 12:42 AM GMT
    kew1 saidApparently Grindr has 950,000 profiles in London. If half of London is male, that's about 19% . If they mean London and surrounding towns, that'll still be about 10% gay/bi/justdamnhorny. Or a lot of people have joined many times.


    I think this statistic is fascinating. In addition to these numbers, wouldn't there be a sizable group of people who are gay and are NOT on Grindr?
  • Apparition

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    Jul 17, 2014 4:07 AM GMT
    google, could probably reliably answer the question, to a statistical degree, just tracking porn searches.
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    Jul 17, 2014 7:15 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    http://www.nber.org/papers/w19508?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw

    We run an experiment on 2,516 U.S. participants. Participants were randomly assigned to either a “best practices method” that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a “veiled elicitation method” that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment.

    This NBER study piqued my curiosity so I did some digging to find out what their 'veiled elicitation method' was.

    It's hard to elicit a truthful response to a "sensitive" question if social stigma is attached to one of the possible responses. There are clever ways to pose the question to improve the likelihood of an honest answer. Typically these methods will combine the sensitive question with a more innocuous question, so that participants perceive that their responses are anonymous and untraceable--there's no longer the realization "OMG, this person knows that I'm gay."

    For instance, you could ask the question this way: "Toss a fair coin. If it lands heads, then report YES. If it lands tails, then truthfully answer Sensitive Question". (I've seen this approach described in at least one stats textbook.) In the case of the NBER study, the 'veiled elicitation method' involved two flavors of survey questions. One version contained a list of statements; each respondent was asked to report the *number* of statements that were true for them. The second group of respondents was given the same list, but with a Sensitive Statement as an additional item. Using either of these approaches it is possible to estimate the proportion of respondents who answered YES to the Sensitive Question.

    But the price we pay for these coy approaches to masking the question of real interest is that we are wasting data: we expend the effort to recruit all these respondents, but some of them don't even get to answer the Sensitive Question. In statistics jargon, the resulting estimator may be unbiased, but at the cost of larger variance.

    Speaking of unbiased estimators, all of this is predicated on the sample of respondents being a truly random sample from the population of interest. In the case of the NBER study, the participants were solicited using Amazon's Mechanical Turk service, which is hardly a random sample of anything except Mechanical Turk users. It's valid to conclude that the 'veiled elicitation method' does increase affirmative responses to Sensitive Questions; I'm not so sure whether the amount of increase seen among the study participants reflects the general population at large.

    More details here and here.
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    Jul 17, 2014 12:23 PM GMT
    _zed_ said...But the price we pay for these coy approaches to masking the question of real interest is that we are wasting data...


    That sounds like something someone more scientifically inclined than I would say. lol. I'm a total layman in this but I do enjoy that type of info and so found this approach curious myself. I'm not at all familiar with that tested group.

    It was just something I hadn't before considered and so found interesting how that can change the numbers as in here, from one of your links

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    So as you say, even given faults there's gotta be something to it. And I think so especially when you consider veiled info as opposed to reporting yourself to the government, particularly now that it is so involved in insurance and medical records so who knows what fears of honest answers arise out of that. So difference in this case, given those two factors (both not being veiled while being so very public) could be even higher.
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    Jul 20, 2014 3:52 PM GMT
    kew1 saidApparently Grindr has 950,000 profiles in London. If half of London is male, that's about 19% . If they mean London and surrounding towns, that'll still be about 10% gay/bi/justdamnhorny. Or a lot of people have joined many times.


    I'm not sure London is a useful statistical indicator as to the gay population of the rest of the UK.

    The UK census figures tend to show a similar percentage of gay people in the UK to that reported in America (i.e 2%). Much as I'd love to believe the 10% figure that is often bandied around, my personal (and very unscientific) experience tells me the figure is probably nearer the reported 2%. Perhaps it would be more accurate to describe these 2% as, "those who self-identify as being gay or lesbian and are comfortable with being identified as such".
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 20, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    It has to be more than 2% of Americans. This survey is inaccurate. I wonder if the right wing lunatics are behind this so-called health survey to find a reason to keep discriminating against usicon_question.gificon_idea.gif