Endangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

  • metta

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    Jul 19, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    Endangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460293/florida-forest-destroyed-walmart/

    Petition
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-the-endangered-forest.fb50?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=2144306
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    Jul 19, 2014 2:40 AM GMT
    article: "Over 225 types of native plants occur here and more than 20 percent of the plant species are found here and nowhere else in the world"

    Even if you don't give a crap about liberal environmental issues, from a strictly capitalist's point of view, the problem is that scientists and environmentalists now have to scramble to collect and preserve without the benefit of that environment about to be destroyed samples of what is found "nowhere else in the world." Who knows what chemical compounds are there that could advance humanity or, for that matter, further profits.

    On the environmental front, though I love the nature in Florida, given what looks like impending sea rise I don't know how seriously I can take saving what environment is gonna wind up snorkeling one day.

    If you google map Richmond Naval Air Station Miami you'll see how developed already is the area in question.

    I just checked the elevation at the metro zoo address nearby. Elevation for 12400 SW 152nd St, Miami, FL 33177 is 2 feet
    •The latitude for this location is: 25.611297
    •The longitude for this location is: -80.397708


    So, if climate change and if sea rise then that area is toast anyway.

    It's a real strange thing to consider. I feel the same way about the Everglades now, a project I supported whole heartedly before all the evidence came in on climate change, before most of us had any idea of how much the seas might rise.

    But how do you justify spending 13 billion over a 30 year period for restoration of an area that might be underwater in 100 or whatever years?

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/07/18/feds-stop-work-on-walmart-in-miami-dade-land-with-rare-species/
    Federal officials warned a developer who plans on building a Walmart and other businesses on Miami-Dade land to stop planning construction of the mixed use development until a survey is done of the endangered wildlife on the property.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 19, 2014 1:41 PM GMT
    As usual, more car centric suburban sprawl requiring costly, new infrastructure and destruction of natural habitat. Obviously companies influenced and controlled by NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS are behind this latest unneeded sprawl development. I wouldn't be surprised if that detestable, unethical Hobby Lobby doesn't try to lease space in this latest in outer ring suburban ugliness.
  • Breeman

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    Jul 19, 2014 3:20 PM GMT
    These are the tough issues!

    The 'condo-fication' in my town is ridiculous. There's little green left. It's sad. The city makes a killing. So much money to be made.
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    Jul 20, 2014 12:06 AM GMT
    Koch Brothers strike again!
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    Jul 20, 2014 12:11 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidEndangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460293/florida-forest-destroyed-walmart/

    Petition
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-the-endangered-forest.fb50?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=2144306


    Oh goody, another petition from Metta8.

    Metta8, is this land inside or outside the UDB?

    Metta8 doesn't know. He has no clue. This is just another far left copy and paste headline and a link forum graffiti post by Metta8 with no thought of his own expressed whatsoever, on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about. As usual.


    He's what Tom Wolfe would call a "Push-button liberal."
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    Jul 20, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAs usual, more car centric suburban sprawl requiring costly, new infrastructure and destruction of natural habitat. Obviously companies influenced and controlled by NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS are behind this latest unneeded sprawl development. I wouldn't be surprised if that detestable, unethical Hobby Lobby doesn't try to lease space in this latest in outer ring suburban ugliness.


    IKNOWRIGHT?

    Maybe all of these companies will build there:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/18-extremely-religious-big-american-companies-2013-6?op=1

    These companies are all EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS (so extreme, in fact, that most people are surprised to find out they are "religious companies").

    I must say, those Interstate Battery batteries are REALLY good... damn, they last a long time. I'm thinking Elisha and the lamp.
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    Jul 20, 2014 12:40 AM GMT
    theantijock saidarticle: "Over 225 types of native plants occur here and more than 20 percent of the plant species are found here and nowhere else in the world"

    Even if you don't give a crap about liberal environmental issues, from a strictly capitalist's point of view, the problem is that scientists and environmentalists now have to scramble to collect and preserve without the benefit of that environment about to be destroyed samples of what is found "nowhere else in the world." Who knows what chemical compounds are there that could advance humanity or, for that matter, further profits.

    On the environmental front, though I love the nature in Florida, given what looks like impending sea rise I don't know how seriously I can take saving what environment is gonna wind up snorkeling one day.

    If you google map Richmond Naval Air Station Miami you'll see how developed already is the area in question.

    I just checked the elevation at the metro zoo address nearby. Elevation for 12400 SW 152nd St, Miami, FL 33177 is 2 feet
    •The latitude for this location is: 25.611297
    •The longitude for this location is: -80.397708


    So, if climate change and if sea rise then that area is toast anyway.

    It's a real strange thing to consider. I feel the same way about the Everglades now, a project I supported whole heartedly before all the evidence came in on climate change, before most of us had any idea of how much the seas might rise.

    But how do you justify spending 13 billion over a 30 year period for restoration of an area that might be underwater in 100 or whatever years?

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/07/18/feds-stop-work-on-walmart-in-miami-dade-land-with-rare-species/
    Federal officials warned a developer who plans on building a Walmart and other businesses on Miami-Dade land to stop planning construction of the mixed use development until a survey is done of the endangered wildlife on the property.


    No. If those things are "found nowhere else in the world" (which is a dubious claim to make in the first place), then surely they have already gathered all the "samples" they need.

    And really, all this frantic flusterfucking over 88 acres of woods?
  • waccamatt

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    Jul 20, 2014 1:37 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidEndangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460293/florida-forest-destroyed-walmart/

    Petition
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-the-endangered-forest.fb50?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=2144306


    Oh goody, another petition from Metta8.

    Metta8, is this land inside or outside the UDB?

    Metta8 doesn't know. He has no clue. This is just another far left copy and paste headline and a link forum graffiti post by Metta8 with no thought of his own expressed whatsoever, on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about. As usual.


    This is a perfect example of why I will never ever date another conservative. I don't care if it means I'll remain single for the rest of my days.
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    Jul 20, 2014 1:52 AM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidIf those things are "found nowhere else in the world" (which is a dubious claim to make in the first place), then surely they have already gathered all the "samples" they need.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemism
    the ecological state of a species being unique to a defined geographic location, such as an island, nation, country or other defined zone, or habitat type; organisms that are indigenous to a place are not endemic to it if they are also found elsewhere.
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    "the ecological state of a species being unique to a defined geographic location, such as an island, nation, country or other defined zone, or habitat type; organisms that are indigenous to a place are not endemic to it if they are also found elsewhere."


    I am not questioning the technical definition, of which I am fully aware. I refer to the specific claim made with regard to this news item... Come on - confined to 88 acres? Implausible. In any case, they've already got all the samples they need.

    Also, do yourself a favor, and do not taint yourself with Wikipedia.
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    Jul 20, 2014 3:31 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidEndangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460293/florida-forest-destroyed-walmart/

    Petition
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-the-endangered-forest.fb50?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=2144306


    Oh goody, another petition from Metta8.

    Metta8, is this land inside or outside the UDB?

    Metta8 doesn't know. He has no clue. This is just another far left copy and paste headline and a link forum graffiti post by Metta8 with no thought of his own expressed whatsoever, on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about. As usual.


    This is a perfect example of why I will never ever date another conservative. I don't care if it means I'll remain single for the rest of my days.


    It doesn't. It's a big, stupid, post-literate world out there, my friend. Dumbasses like metta abound, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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    Jul 20, 2014 4:07 AM GMT
    No matter, Florida will be gone in 50 years anyways. It's already started, the rising sea levels are seeping up through the ground because Florida is super low elevation and made of limestone. There's no way to save it unless sea levels stop rising.
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    Jul 20, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said

    "the ecological state of a species being unique to a defined geographic location, such as an island, nation, country or other defined zone, or habitat type; organisms that are indigenous to a place are not endemic to it if they are also found elsewhere."


    I am not questioning the technical definition, of which I am fully aware. I refer to the specific claim made with regard to this news item... Come on - confined to 88 acres? Implausible. In any case, they've already got all the samples they need.

    Also, do yourself a favor, and do not taint yourself with Wikipedia.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Rock_Ridge

    The globally imperiled pine rockland community, which also encompassed the Florida Keys and The Bahamas, supported numerous endemic plant species; 20 percent occur nowhere else in the world.[1]

    1 "Pine Rocklands: A Disappearing Habitat". Miami-Dade Department of Environmental Resources Management. Miami-Dade County.
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    Jul 20, 2014 4:42 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    Jack_NNJ said

    "the ecological state of a species being unique to a defined geographic location, such as an island, nation, country or other defined zone, or habitat type; organisms that are indigenous to a place are not endemic to it if they are also found elsewhere."


    I am not questioning the technical definition, of which I am fully aware. I refer to the specific claim made with regard to this news item... Come on - confined to 88 acres? Implausible. In any case, they've already got all the samples they need.

    Also, do yourself a favor, and do not taint yourself with Wikipedia.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Rock_Ridge

    The globally imperiled pine rockland community, which also encompassed the Florida Keys and The Bahamas, supported numerous endemic plant species; 20 percent occur nowhere else in the world.[1]

    1 "Pine Rocklands: A Disappearing Habitat". Miami-Dade Department of Environmental Resources Management. Miami-Dade County.


    Yeah, got it. And the land in question encompasses 88 ACRES.

    A section of rare and endangered forest

    How big "a section"?

    Approximately 88 acres

    That's about 0.15 square miles. You could walk it from one corner to another in 10 minutes.

    The sale included an agreement to set aside 40 acres for a preserve...

    So the developed area will be 48 acres.

    [R]esearchers say the area they will develop is a globally imperiled ecosystem with a remarkable diversity of plant and animal life found nowhere else.


    Utter sophistry and deception. They make its sound as if that 88-acre spot contains plants and animals found nowhere else on Earth. The Pine Rocklands are actually a huge area of south Florida.

    Did you read metta's links? Did you read your own Wikipedia sources?
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    Jul 20, 2014 4:46 AM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidNo matter, Florida will be gone in 50 years anyways. It's already started, the rising sea levels are seeping up through the ground because Florida is super low elevation and made of limestone. There's no way to save it unless sea levels stop rising.


    Obama scrunched up his eyeballs 'n he clutched up his ol' walkin' stick 'n he says to de sea "YOU AIN' GONNA RAYZZ NO MO"
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    Jul 20, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    Forget endangered forests.

    This past year a developer had the audacity to tear down my local catering hall, the landmark Huntington Townhouse, and put up a Target.

    Express your outrage on their Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/HuntingtonTownHouseMemories

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    eagermuscle saidForget endangered forests.

    This past year a developer had the audacity to tear down my local catering hall, the landmark Huntington Townhouse, and put up a Target.

    Express your outrage on their Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/HuntingtonTownHouseMemories

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    This is an OUTRAGE!

    Solidarity, my brother.
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    Jul 20, 2014 1:55 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said...Yeah, got it. And the land in question encompasses 88 ACRES....

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/look_before_you_leap
    Proverb

    look before you leap
    1.Don't jump into something too precipitously; be at least a bit foresightful or circumspect.

    theantijock said...So, if climate change and if sea rise then that area is toast anyway...

    Jack_NNJ said...Did you read metta's links?....

    theantijock said...On the environmental front, though I love the nature in Florida, given what looks like impending sea rise I don't know how seriously I can take saving what environment is gonna wind up snorkeling one day....

    Jack_NNJ said...Did you read....
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 20, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidNo matter, Florida will be gone in 50 years anyways. It's already started, the rising sea levels are seeping up through the ground because Florida is super low elevation and made of limestone. There's no way to save it unless sea levels stop rising.
    You might as well include Louisiana, the Bahamas, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula in this scenario because they are all low laying and will disappear with the rising sea levels. So Florida is not alone.
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    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidEndangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A


    Oh goody, another petition from Metta8.

    Metta8, is this land inside or outside the UDB?

    Metta8 doesn't know. He has no clue. This is just another far left copy and paste headline and a link forum graffiti post by Metta8 with no thought of his own expressed whatsoever, on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about. As usual.



    Oh goody another cynical comment from this dude. Funny how none of his pics are in front of a walmart or chick fil a.

    This guy spends 5 min looking up this controversy online and then replies and accuses Metta8 of not knowing as much as he does

    I guess that's how we get noticed on RJ.

    News flash buddy: corporate America answers to one entity only...their shareholders. They have no choice, it's their fiduciary duty. We 'far left' citizens just like to call them out on their irresponsibility every so often. Does that bother you?
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    Jul 20, 2014 3:29 PM GMT
    waccamatt said
    southbeach1500 said
    metta8 saidEndangered Florida Forest Will Be Destroyed To Make Room For Walmart And Chick-Fil-A

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460293/florida-forest-destroyed-walmart/

    Petition
    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/save-the-endangered-forest.fb50?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=2144306


    Oh goody, another petition from Metta8.

    Metta8, is this land inside or outside the UDB?

    Metta8 doesn't know. He has no clue. This is just another far left copy and paste headline and a link forum graffiti post by Metta8 with no thought of his own expressed whatsoever, on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about. As usual.


    This is a perfect example of why I will never ever date another conservative. I don't care if it means I'll remain single for the rest of my days.


    Relax man. 99.6% of gay men are liberals. I located this little tidbit on a liberal "Fact Check" web site.
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    Jul 20, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    Just stop quoting this Southbeach douche guy. He loves the attention.
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    News flash buddy: corporate America answers to one entity only...their shareholders. They have no choice, it's their fiduciary duty. We 'far left' citizens just like to call them out on their irresponsibility every so often. Does that bother you?



    Fine, but how is this story an example of "calling them out on their irresponsibility"? We're talking about one measly patch of woods where someone will build a few stores.

    Perhaps you should applaud the effort to strengthen commerce in this instance.
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    Jul 20, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    Koatsal, why don't you "far leftists" go buy up some of this land and start a game preserve, or hippie commune, or do some other "sustainable" type thingy?