HIV Diagnoses Down in U.S., Except for Young Gay Males

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    Jul 20, 2014 4:57 AM GMT

    I've never understood why this statistic is so high, to be honest. I've always thought that safe sex was common knowledge.icon_confused.gif




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    Jul 20, 2014 5:27 AM GMT
    Same old. Theres a reason so many gays just dont care.
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    Jul 20, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    Common Sense is an uncommon charateristic.

    Just use a condom, guys.
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    Jul 20, 2014 2:16 PM GMT
    Quite frankly, if you're stupid enough to have sex with someone you don't or barely know without a condom you're just asking for it.
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    Jul 20, 2014 2:17 PM GMT
    Or get 'em on PReP...and serves as a daily reminder of what they're doing as well.
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    Jul 20, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
    Young male attitude of invincibility + drug ads with buff dudes that make HIV seem like a minor, controllable inconvenience.
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    Jul 20, 2014 2:56 PM GMT
    kevex said
    I've never understood why this statistic is so high, to be honest. I've always thought that safe sex was common knowledge.icon_confused.gif




    http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay689903_20140719_HIV_Diagnoses_Down_in_U_S___Except_for_Young_Gay_Males__CDC.html


    1. Condoms were never designed for anything other than vaginal sex.
    2. A certain segment of the gay population fetish each other's anuses/bowels and prefer barebacking.
    3. When a women goes on the pill her monogamous b/f or hubby no longer uses condoms, and some gay men feel they don't need condoms either.
    4. As gay porn has slowly gone condom free, so have HIV rates in the gay community. Instead of using common sense, they emulate porn.
    5. Bug chasers want HIV so they'll never have to worry about HIV/AIDS any more. Bug chasing doesn't seem to exist among straight people.
    6. People who weren't around in the 80's may figure it's no big deal to get HIV these days, you can just take pills for it. icon_rolleyes.gif
    7. Stealthing exists in the gay community but not in the straight community where pregnancy is a possibility. http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/
    8. The latest thing is to take Truvada and also use condoms, but it's clear that once gay men start taking that pill they'll be chucking the condoms. HIV/AIDS is tricky. A girl born with HIV was considered cured of the disease earlier this year, but a few weeks ago it was determined the four year old is not cured. HIV is still active in her system. icon_sad.gif
    9. You can educate people all you want, but they're still going to do whatever they want. With all we know about cigarettes and addiction, it still surprises me when I see young people take up the smoking habit. Cigarettes are expensive and there are even health warnings right on the cigarette pack.

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    Jul 20, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
    Use Condum Sense! Its not just HIV there are so many STD's out there and know one seems to care about those either and lets not even go down the Crystal road!
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    Jul 20, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
    Maybe it has something to do with the whole political correctness of avoiding singling out gays as FUCKING HUGE RISK GROUP, possibly on the same level of intravenous drug users.
    HIV prevention campaigns are now targeted at people in general, so it's not a surprise that young gay couples feel safe as long as they take the same precautions as straight couples when in reality the former should be a lot more careful than the latter.

    And we can all imagine the outrage from the LGBTQQIP2SAA paladins if anyone dares to say HIV in developed countries is indeed a bigger issue for gay people and drug users than for the cis privilleged straights.
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    Jul 20, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
    ShiftyJK08 saidYoung male attitude of invincibility + drug ads with buff dudes that make HIV seem like a minor, controllable inconvenience.


    Yep.
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    Jul 20, 2014 7:21 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidMaybe it has something to do with the whole political correctness of avoiding singling out gays as FUCKING HUGE RISK GROUP, possibly on the same level of intravenous drug users.
    HIV prevention campaigns are now targeted at people in general, so it's not a surprise that young gay couples feel safe as long as they take the same precautions as straight couples when in reality the former should be a lot more careful than the latter.

    And we can all imagine the outrage from the LGBTQQIP2SAA paladins if anyone dares to say HIV in developed countries is indeed a bigger issue for gay people and drug users than for the cis privilleged straights.



    It's the propaganda that gay sex is safe; that drugs and ACA etc. make it so .... The statistics show otherwise but politically correctness can not be challenged without being labeled a conservative republican.

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    AaronH20P saidMaybe it has something to do with the whole political correctness of avoiding singling out gays as FUCKING HUGE RISK GROUP, possibly on the same level of intravenous drug users.
    HIV prevention campaigns are now targeted at people in general, so it's not a surprise that young gay couples feel safe as long as they take the same precautions as straight couples when in reality the former should be a lot more careful than the latter.

    And we can all imagine the outrage from the LGBTQQIP2SAA paladins if anyone dares to say HIV in developed countries is indeed a bigger issue for gay people and drug users than for the cis privilleged straights.


    What political "correctness"? You sound like a right winger. "Men who have Sex with Men" MSM as it's abbreviated is a much larger group than IV drug users. At least here in the USA. It's reported as such publicly and in detail.

    There are general HIV PSAs at the general population, more so in DC, SF or NYC but look at any Gay magazine or web site and social media. It's much more specific "marketing." It's pinpointed. I'm not sure how they are targeting IV drug users.

    Not sure what you mean in paragraph/run-on-sentence #3. But HIV has greater prevalence in developing countries. Specifically in sub-Saharan Africa. I don't think the LGBT would be unaware of that either. Also Washington DC heterosexuals have a rate as high as some of the African countries.

    adult-hiv-prevalence-rate-global-health1
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    Jul 20, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
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    2. A certain segment of the gay population fetish each other's anuses/bowels and prefer barebacking.
    One of the strangest turns of a phrase I've ever heard! "Oh baby I love your bowels" Yeah right! Anal sex isn't just Gay sex either.
    3. When a women goes off the pill her monogamous b/f or hubby no longer uses condoms, and some gay men feel they don't need condoms either.

    I assume you meant goes ON the pill and her BF doesn't use condoms

    4. As gay porn has slowly gone condom free, so have HIV rates in the gay community. Instead of using common sense, they emulate porn.
    Rates are DOWN overall, up in the 18-24 age bracket. Right or wrong, porn is showing what many really do anyway. If it's what sells it's what people want.
    5. Bug chasers want HIV so they'll never have to worry about HIV/AIDS any more. Bug chasing doesn't seem to exist among straight people.

    It's an exaggerated myth. "The persistence of the bug chasing idea, and the very scarce evidence of its existence, suggests a strong need to invent the category even in the absence of anyone who can clearly embody it," he told me. "This raises the question of why the bug chasing idea remains so strong, when even if a handful of actual 'bug chasers' could be found, they could account for no more than an infinitesimal proportion of the HIV epidemic." Even less so in this age of HIV/U and PrEP. http://www.thebody.com/content/art56290.html
    6. People who weren't around in the 80's may figure it's no big deal to get HIV these days, you can just take pills for it. icon_rolleyes.gif
    7. Stealthing exists in the gay community but not in the straight community where pregnancy is a possibility. http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/
    Really, you've never heard of a woman who intentionally went off the pill or sabotaged her partner's condom to have baby??? I'd never heard of it in the Gay community.
    8. The latest thing is to take Truvada and also use condoms, but it's clear that once gay men start taking that pill they'll be chucking the condoms.
    It's not clear and it's NOT true. Studies have shown no difference in sexual behaviour when on PrEP

    HIV/AIDS is tricky. A girl born with HIV was considered cured of the disease earlier this year, but a few weeks ago it was determined the four year old is not cured. HIV is still active in her system. icon_sad.gif

    What does the miracle baby have to do with gay sex? #8 ART therapy was never considered a cure by anyone.
    9. You can educate people all you want, but they're still going to do whatever they want. With all we know about cigarettes and addiction, it still surprises me when I see young people take up the smoking habit. Cigarettes are expensive and there are even health warnings right on the cigarette pack.

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    Jul 20, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    I see guys with AIDS every day. Some look as sick and emaciated as late stage cancer patients. The concept that HIV/AIDS is a routine, manageable disease is false. But that's the message many of these gay kids are getting. Nothing to worry about.

    It's manageable for SOME patients, but not ALL patients. That's often a personal variable difficult to predict. And only manageable at considerable cost in money, and a commitment to constant & very rigid medical care and monitoring. But yes, I know some guys thriving with HIV and even full AIDS for decades. But I also know some who are near death.

    HIV/AIDS patients are not lepers - I know, I chose one as my first partner, until his untimely death. But neither is HIV/AIDS something to be dismissed as a mere inconvenience. At present it's a lifelong burden of mandatory medications, possible side effects, and doctor's visits. Doable, and I respect the guys who manage it, but no bed of roses. And always potentially fatal.

    Therefore these kids who think otherwise are getting bad information, or inadequate information, and need to be told of the reality. That's why here in Broward County, one of the US hotspots for new HIV cases, so much effort is being put into education, and promoting safe sex. If you can't cure the bug, you prevent the bug.
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    Jul 20, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
    ShiftyJK08 saidYoung male attitude of invincibility + drug ads with buff dudes that make HIV seem like a minor, controllable inconvenience.


    Funny, it was the older generations that started spreading the bug around.
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    ShiftyJK08 saidYoung male attitude of invincibility + drug ads with buff dudes that make HIV seem like a minor, controllable inconvenience.

    Funny, it was the older generations that started spreading the bug around.

    Older generations today, or those older in the early 1980s? Nobody even knew how HIV was spread back then (nor had it been fully identified and named yet), and so devising safe sex guidelines wasn't possible. Difficult to protect against the unknown.

    HIV/AIDS was hitting everyone, young & old alike, because lacking information no one had yet modified their sex practices to prevent transmission. But it seemed to hit the 20s-30s group the hardest, perhaps because they were having the highest sex partner turnover rate.

    When I subsequently came out late in the mid-1990s in my 40s and bemoaned my "lost" gay years, friends told me that perhaps I was really fortunate. Because it was my generation that was decimated the worst by the AIDS epidemic. They told me that maybe if I'd been out at that dangerous time I'd already be dead.

    Since at first there was no understanding how it was spreading or even what it was, and no effective ways to treat it. Creating a tragic "Lost Generation" (first told by Gertrude Stein to Ernest Hemingway regarding WWI soldiers). In which the dead and the struggling survivors are guiltless victims.

    So I fail to see the relevance or validity of your "older generations that started spreading the bug around" comment.
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    AlmondJoy said
    2. A certain segment of the gay population fetish each other's anuses/bowels and prefer barebacking.
    One of the strangest turns of a phrase I've ever heard! "Oh baby I love your bowels" Yeah right! Anal sex isn't just Gay sex either.

    It's a fact. They fetish each other's anuses and bowels and because of it many gay men are dead and 20% are HIV+. And when they become poz, for many of them, their fetish increases instead of decreasing.

    3. When a women goes off the pill her monogamous b/f or hubby no longer uses condoms, and some gay men feel they don't need condoms either.

    I assume you meant goes ON the pill and her BF doesn't use condoms

    fixed!

    4. As gay porn has slowly gone condom free, so have HIV rates in the gay community. Instead of using common sense, they emulate porn.
    Rates are DOWN overall, up in the 18-24 age bracket. Right or wrong, porn is showing what many really do anyway. If it's what sells it's what people want.

    It doesn't matter if rates are down overall, they're up in the gay community and 20% are infected. What sells is copying behavior and infecting.

    5. Bug chasers want HIV so they'll never have to worry about HIV/AIDS any more. Bug chasing doesn't seem to exist among straight people.

    It's an exaggerated myth. "The persistence of the bug chasing idea, and the very scarce evidence of its existence, suggests a strong need to invent the category even in the absence of anyone who can clearly embody it," he told me. "This raises the question of why the bug chasing idea remains so strong, when even if a handful of actual 'bug chasers' could be found, they could account for no more than an infinitesimal proportion of the HIV epidemic." Even less so in this age of HIV/U and PrEP. http://www.thebody.com/content/art56290.html

    Not a myth at all. You probably think beastiality and pedophilia are myths, too.


    7. Stealthing exists in the gay community but not in the straight community where pregnancy is a possibility. http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/
    Really, you've never heard of a woman who intentionally went off the pill or sabotaged her partner's condom to have baby??? I'd never heard of it in the Gay community.

    Of course I've heard of women doing that. It's vaginal, not anal. icon_rolleyes.gif


    8. The latest thing is to take Truvada and also use condoms, but it's clear that once gay men start taking that pill they'll be chucking the condoms.
    It's not clear and it's NOT true. Studies have shown no difference in sexual behaviour when on PrEP

    Those are studies. icon_lol.gif

    HIV/AIDS is tricky. A girl born with HIV was considered cured of the disease earlier this year, but a few weeks ago it was determined the four year old is not cured. HIV is still active in her system. icon_sad.gif

    What does the miracle baby have to do with gay sex? #8 ART therapy was never considered a cure by anyone.

    The girl was supposedly cured of HIV and she never really was. Maybe you're the sock account for that guy who's been promoting Truvada and has his profile hidden since you came aboard. icon_lol.gif


    HIV infection returns in Mississippi girl thought cured
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/10/baby-hiv-returns-mississippi/12480595/
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    Jul 20, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
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    Older generations today, or those older in the early 1980s? Nobody even knew how HIV was spread back then (nor had it been fully identified and named yet), and so devising safe sex guidelines wasn't possible. Difficult to protect against the unknown.


    I kind of figured out how it was spread the first time I saw it on the news. They showed gay men with sores on their bodies and said they had an incurable "gay cancer". I thought it was obvious that this was from anal and promiscuity because it was spreading so quickly in the gay community. Phil Donahue did an episode on his talk show, too. In "The Normal Heart" the doctor character played by Julia Roberts told the gay men to take a break from the promiscuity but they laughed at her. They couldn't put two and two together and said something like sex was all they had going for them all the while infecting and killing each other.

    NBC's Earliest Report on AIDS 1982
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKJ5ZzzL0w
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    Jul 20, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
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    Jul 20, 2014 11:21 PM GMT
    kevex said
    I've never understood why this statistic is so high, to be honest. I've always thought that safe sex was common knowledge.icon_confused.gif




    http://www.philly.com/philly/health/topics/HealthDay689903_20140719_HIV_Diagnoses_Down_in_U_S___Except_for_Young_Gay_Males__CDC.html


    People should start asking young gay men with HIV what they believe led to their seroconversion instead of assuming all sorts of things.

    You'll come to understand most of them would never, ever have sex with someone they knew was living with HIV.

    This DDF, UB2 aspect of our culture is a scourge on our community.
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    Jul 20, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    Older generations today, or those older in the early 1980s? Nobody even knew how HIV was spread back then (nor had it been fully identified and named yet), and so devising safe sex guidelines wasn't possible. Difficult to protect against the unknown.

    I kind of figured out how it was spread the first time I saw it on the news. They showed gay men with sores on their bodies and said they had an incurable "gay cancer". I thought it was obvious that this was from anal and promiscuity because it was spreading so quickly in the gay community. Phil Donahue did an episode on his talk show, too. In "The Normal Heart" the doctor character played by Julia Roberts told the gay men to take a break from the promiscuity but they laughed at her. They couldn't put two and two together and said something like sex was all they had going for them all the while infecting and killing each other.

    NBC's Earliest Report on AIDS 1982
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKJ5ZzzL0w

    Initially it was all speculation. Nothing had been proven or established. Sexual transmission was a suspected factor, but nobody knew for sure. Nor how that mechanism worked. When the discoveries began to be made the dissemination of the information to the public was slow, uneven and confusing.

    My future gay mentor contracted HIV around 1990 because he hadn't gotten the word, in a rural part of Oregon. Not every gay lives in SF and NYC, contrary to what these movies and TV dramatizations portray. Mainstream media wasn't reporting it well, and gay pubs didn't have major circulations, especially outside major cities.

    So when he moved to Seattle shortly afterwards he began to write an HIV/AIDS info column for the Seattle Gay News (SGN), which he was doing when I met him there in 1994. He told me that the word still wasn't getting out to the gay community, and many of the new infections were due to continued ignorance about safe sex practices.

    He was unrelenting in teaching me about the dangers of HIV, that he insisted I learn first before I learned how to actually have gay sex. I attribute my remaining HIV neg all these years later entirely to him, because I was initially dangerously uninformed, like many other men are even today, and undoubtedly would have made some risky choices.
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    Jul 21, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
    AaronH20P saidMaybe it has something to do with the whole political correctness of avoiding singling out gays as FUCKING HUGE RISK GROUP, possibly on the same level of intravenous drug users.
    HIV prevention campaigns are now targeted at people in general, so it's not a surprise that young gay couples feel safe as long as they take the same precautions as straight couples when in reality the former should be a lot more careful than the latter.

    And we can all imagine the outrage from the LGBTQQIP2SAA paladins if anyone dares to say HIV in developed countries is indeed a bigger issue for gay people and drug users than for the cis privilleged straights.


    No. Just...no.

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    Actually...

    "young gay couples feel safe as long as they take the same precautions as straight couples when in reality the former should be a lot more careful than the latter."

    ...is a good point. We have too many guys that are convinced they can avoid HIV by having unprotected sex with people they trust, or people we've known for a long time, or people that don't look like they have HIV, or by topping instead of bottoming, or with someone that is nice and cute and attractive.

    Unprotected sex carries the risk of contracting HIV, no matter the situation.

    End of discussion.
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    Jul 21, 2014 3:42 AM GMT
    WOW - what a sad, yet terrifying statement on the landscape of gay men's health. It pains me to think this is more accurate than not. All my protesting and activism seems for naught if people are behaving this way. icon_neutral.gif

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    Jul 21, 2014 3:59 AM GMT

    I have no idea what is going inside the brains of young gay men these days!? there is sooooo much available free literature and information about this disease already EVERYWHERE!!

    Sorry to put it this way, but those who become HIV+ or gets full blown AIDS, is no ones' fault but their own. This holds true even for the victim of a cheating partner, boyfriend, or a casual hookup on a date. It is my humble opinion, not intended to offend anyone, that two of the main reasons why so many people become victims of a cheating sexual partner, is do to their lack or none there of common sense, and most importantly absence or knowledge on morals/values.

    The way I see is that humanity as a whole are behaving more like cave people these days; sad very sad.

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    That was funny yet very disturbing and sad.