Thousands rally in Amsterdam against Israel

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    Jul 20, 2014 6:28 PM GMT
    I really hope the politicians in Washington understand that no amount of money is worth inflicting so much misery on another nation.

    http://news.yahoo.com/video/thousands-rally-amsterdam-against-israel-163027388.html
  • tj85016

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    Jul 20, 2014 6:36 PM GMT
    Israel is nothing more than a military outpost set up by Washington and London after WW2 in an attempt to control the outcomes in the Middle East. Kinda like Okinawa in the Pacific.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 21, 2014 1:19 AM GMT
    I will never understand the mind set of the Jew haters.
    Every time Israel is attacked, we have this exact same discussion.

    How long was Israel supposed to do nothing, while the Palestinians fired rockets at them ?

    Doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself ?

    The British controlled that territory.
    They offered both the Palestinians and the Jews half of it.
    The Jews accepted.
    The Palestinians wanted all or nothing.
    They got nothing; and they've been whining, ever since.
    The ONLY thing the Palestinians will except is the complete elimination of Israel.

    The Palestinians used to live freely among the Israelis until the Israelis got sick and tired of the Palestinians turning their young sons into suicide bombers. What kind of parent does that.

    To put an end to the suicide bombers, Israel had to build a wall to keep the Palestinian suicide bombers out.

    Instead of building a peaceful and productive society, the Palestinians elected terrorists to run their government, while they collected rockets and rocket launchers and dug tunnels, all with the purpose of killing as many Israelis as possible.

    Israel is in a very difficult position of being forced to kill or be killed.

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    Jul 21, 2014 1:37 AM GMT
    "The British controlled that territory.
    They offered both the Palestinians and the Jews half of it.
    The Jews accepted.
    The Palestinians wanted all or nothing."

    And now it is a certain powerful segment of Israel who also want ALL.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326#.U8xZSKjc1bX

    "Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza."
  • tj85016

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    Jul 21, 2014 2:06 AM GMT
    oh now we're "Jew haters" eh? Idiot.

    What the hell were the warmongering Brits doing controlling Palestine in the first place? What gave them the right to divide the territory in 2? None

    Israel was a gigantic mistake and yet another attempt by the English and Dutch to Balkanize the Middle East to control it on their terms

    It's all about oil. Israel is just another US/UK military base
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 21, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    I honestly don't understand the Gaza strip. From what I understand it is just this little strip of land that was settled by Palestinians. Didn't anyone ever have it marked out as part of it borders and if it is Israel, then does Israel consider them as illegal aliens. None of it makes any sense to me.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 21, 2014 2:39 AM GMT
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/20/israelis-gather-on-hillsides-to-watch-and-cheer-as-military-drops-bombs-on-gaza/

    "Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza"

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  • Mohannned

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    Jul 21, 2014 2:53 AM GMT
    I'm an Arab and I should take Palestinians side , but

    it's a war zone , there will never be peace between both sides , it's that hatred that grows inside most of the 300 million Arabs in the world against Israelis , and Israelis u hate us just as much don't lie to the world , it's all because of fucking Religions ,,, back in the 6th century Arabs and Jews they were neighbors . actually Cousins but always the Jews had the upper hand , the more educated and the strongest and Arabs were small weak tribes in Mekka and Madina but when the Muslims became a great force and they took over big part of Asia , Africa , and a big part of Europe , it was like putting gas on fire ,,,, what I'm trying to say is THIS HATE GOES BACK 1500 YEARS AGO AND IT WILL NEVER BE SOLVED ,

    I myself have no problem with Jews , actually I think all religions are a big joke and the problem in this world ,,, I hope for peace , but I can't see it in the horizon
  • mybud

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    Jul 21, 2014 2:58 AM GMT
    I fully support Israel..
  • jo2hotbod

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    Jul 21, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidIsrael is nothing more than a military outpost set up by Washington and London after WW2 in an attempt to control the outcomes in the Middle East. Kinda like Okinawa in the Pacific.


    It predates that
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    Mohannned saidI'm an Arab and I should take Palestinians side , but

    it's a war zone , there will never be peace between both sides ,... THIS HATE GOES BACK 1500 YEARS AGO AND IT WILL NEVER BE SOLVED ,

    I myself have no problem with Jews , actually I think all religions are a big joke and the problem in this world ,,, I hope for peace , but I can't see it in the horizon


    I also hope for peace. My connection to the place, well, besides my cousin, King David, is that my maternal great grandfather, that horse thief as my aunt grandma used to call him, was a Zionist so I own my share of the family homestead from generations ago in what was then the first settlement outside of Jerusalem.

    I do believe that peace comes through understanding and random sexual encounters. What I think I see missing or maybe misplaced in a lot of conversation is this thinking in the dimension of a defined space when it's only about that on the very surface. The real dimension isn't just about borders, about who has what territory, rather it is about the spiritual dimensions, the religion as you note and also it is an overlapping of historical contexts and controls.

    This issue is not as easily solved as giving the United States of America back to the American Indians who lost control of their land 200 whatever years ago to essentially one group of Europeans who took it over. This is about 1000s of years and multitudes of masters.

    The borders don't show the layers. You can try to cut out a cancer by its borders but you never know until you get there how deep the layers go.

    So for people to talk about this state or that territory, that's nothing more than a biopsy. We don't there find the cure.



    So the Jews have been in Israel for 3000 years. And they were in the region before that because that's where they became Jewish.

    It's not as if in 1050 BCE a group of Jewish businessmen from Brooklyn took Jerusalem with what trinkets they'd had left over from that deal for Manhattan.

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    40 maps that explain the Middle East

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  • Mohannned

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    Jul 21, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    Mohannned saidI'm an Arab and I should take Palestinians side , but

    it's a war zone , there will never be peace between both sides ,... THIS HATE GOES BACK 1500 YEARS AGO AND IT WILL NEVER BE SOLVED ,

    I myself have no problem with Jews , actually I think all religions are a big joke and the problem in this world ,,, I hope for peace , but I can't see it in the horizon


    I also hope for peace. My connection to the place, well, besides my cousin, King David, is that my maternal great grandfather, that horse thief as my aunt grandma used to call him, was a Zionist so I own my share of the family homestead from generations ago in what was then the first settlement outside of Jerusalem.

    I do believe that peace comes through understanding and random sexual encounters. What I think I see missing or maybe misplaced in a lot of conversation is this thinking in the dimension of a defined space when it's only about that on the very surface. The real dimension isn't just about borders, about who has what territory, rather it is about the spiritual dimensions, the religion as you note and also it is an overlapping of historical contexts and controls.

    This issue is not as easily solved as giving the United States of America back to the American Indians who lost control of their land 200 whatever years ago to essentially one group of Europeans who took it over. This is about 1000s of years and multitudes of masters.

    The borders don't show the layers. You can try to cut out a cancer by it's borders but you never know until you get there how deep the layers go.

    So for people to talk about this state or that territory, that's nothing more than a biopsy. We don't there find the cure.




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  • Mohannned

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    Jul 21, 2014 5:11 AM GMT
    sunjbill saidI'll never understand folks who think the only capitalistic country, Israel, in the entire area, is to blame. And to all the "look at all the money the US gives to Israel and what do we have to show for it" folks, yes they spend a large amount on their military, but they are surrounded by folks who refuse to live in peace. And in case you only read the headlines, Israel has given the world, and the US, LOTS back in the form of all kinds of tech advances, incredible solar and electric car tech, agriculture and water tech, and the list goes on and on. When they left Gaza, every greenhouse they left intact to help with food production was leveled because "it was the Jews stuff."

    The haters on here should ask themselves why billions of Arabs have nothing while their sheiks and dictatorial governments have so much, why women have equality ONLY in Israel, and why Israel is in the top 20 highest per capita countries in the world. The haters need to STOP reading the headlines and start learning about the countries and dynamics in that region. No doubt if rockets were flying down on 75% of your country, you'd be screaming for your leaders to help. The fact that most of you don't have to live with those daily horrors affords you to be liberal.


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    thank u for saying it like u see it , I'm an Arab and I agree with most of what u said , but u can't eliminate the fact that Israel acted several times as the dominant and did a lot of shamful acts
    and do u know that Israel controls everything in Gaza economy and everything , and that what irritates Hamas the most
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    Jul 21, 2014 5:15 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/20/israelis-gather-on-hillsides-to-watch-and-cheer-as-military-drops-bombs-on-gaza/

    "Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza"

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    uhm

    people are barbaric

    I guess if I was hit by bombs or some I would cheer for this too but, ehhhhh... Maybe I'd be inspired enough to find a more constructive means to approach my suffering... Sad news.
  • tj85016

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    Jul 21, 2014 5:20 AM GMT
    jo2hotbod said
    tj85016 saidIsrael is nothing more than a military outpost set up by Washington and London after WW2 in an attempt to control the outcomes in the Middle East. Kinda like Okinawa in the Pacific.


    It predates that


    nope, 1948
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    Jul 21, 2014 5:22 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidoh now we're "Jew haters" eh? Idiot.

    What the hell were the warmongering Brits doing controlling Palestine in the first place? What gave them the right to divide the territory in 2? None

    Israel was a gigantic mistake and yet another attempt by the English and Dutch to Balkanize the Middle East to control it on their terms

    It's all about oil. Israel is just another US/UK military base


    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?
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    Jul 21, 2014 5:30 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]sunjbill said[/cite]

    The haters on here should ask themselves why billions of Arabs have nothing while their sheiks and dictatorial governments have so much, why women have equality ONLY in Israel, and why Israel is in the top 20 highest per capita countries in the world.


    Because that's how departing colonial powers set things up...a system of tight control. Of course we've bombed the progressive arab states back to the stone age. Women had rights in Syria, Libya, and Iraq

    It was designed with endless conflict in mind so these people would never realize their true human potential and their societies would always be full of strife.

    That said, dishonest brokers on both sides have agendas of the their own in maintaining the status quo and deliberately sabotage every peace negotiation.
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    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?[/quote]

    Actually Israel has done far worse things then Hamas. Israel sponsors terrorists actions such as assassinations using forged passports from other nations. Take away people's rights and basically use terror to control their foes.

    It's actually a very simple situation to understand.

    The Palestinians were living there, the US and the UK decided to dump the Israelis there when Europe refused to take them back.

    The Palestinian's are hopelessly out gunned. The Israelis refuse to let them have any sort of development/life in Gaza for the purpose that they get so fed up they move to Jordan permanently.

    The Palestinians have watched their homes taken away from them, their rights and the UN has 100% agreed that Israelis are the oppressors.

    Read Peace not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter. He's as american as they come and a devout christian. His book sheds a lot of light on the process and puts blame where it's deserved.

    As long as the politicians in the US government depend on the money from Israel and the Jewish supporters in the US there will never be any peace. They have all sold out their morals and beliefs for their seat.

    We are actually supporting the bad guys in the war.
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    Jul 21, 2014 6:54 AM GMT
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    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?


    Actually Israel has done far worse things then Hamas. Israel sponsors terrorists actions such as assassinations using forged passports from other nations. Take away people's rights and basically use terror to control their foes.

    It's actually a very simple situation to understand.

    The Palestinians were living there, the US and the UK decided to dump the Israelis there when Europe refused to take them back.

    The Palestinian's are hopelessly out gunned. The Israelis refuse to let them have any sort of development/life in Gaza for the purpose that they get so fed up they move to Jordan permanently.

    The Palestinians have watched their homes taken away from them, their rights and the UN has 100% agreed that Israelis are the oppressors.

    Read Peace not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter. He's as american as they come and a devout christian. His book sheds a lot of light on the process and puts blame where it's deserved.

    As long as the politicians in the US government depend on the money from Israel and the Jewish supporters in the US there will never be any peace. They have all sold out their morals and beliefs for their seat.

    We are actually supporting the bad guys in the war. [/quote]

    I do try to understand things even though I am not caught up in all the politics.
    I know former President Carter has his views and there are many on both sides. It's shameful
    that in the 21 st. Century we have such hatred for our fellow men. No one is willing to compromise.
    Coexisting will never happen. Peace is something that will not happen when hatred is taught to children
    who grow up to be suicide bombers and that goes for bot groups!
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    Jul 21, 2014 11:31 AM GMT
    first of all trying to Misquote me is very deceptive and underhanded.

    "canadian_stud said
    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?"

    I never said that. I said Israel is the real terrorist agent.

    Grow up to be suicide bombers? Yeah real fact statement there.

    A people with years of oppression with limited means of expression are forced to work with tools they can get their hands on. The fact that the give up their lives shows you the desperation they face.

    You should not cut paste stuff to make words up. If your argument is valid you wouldn't have to rely on such low rent tactics.
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    Jul 21, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
    canadian_stud saidfirst of all trying to Misquote me is very deceptive and underhanded.

    "canadian_stud said
    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?"

    I never said that. I said Israel is the real terrorist agent.

    Grow up to be suicide bombers? Yeah real fact statement there.

    A people with years of oppression with limited means of expression are forced to work with tools they can get their hands on. The fact that the give up their lives shows you the desperation they face.

    You should not cut paste stuff to make words up. If your argument is valid you wouldn't have to rely on such low rent tactics.


    Well, I know someone who'd sit and have dinner with Hamas, yes: "When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?"…(Matthew, 9:11).

    What I have never understood is the generosity of these peoples' "god" in "giving" them this land. I mean, if they'd been at each other's throats since time immemorial fighting over... Scotland, Austria, the natural resources of... Mexico? But THIS piece of shit? (Sorry, "land of milk and honey").
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    canadian_stud saidfirst of all trying to Misquote me is very deceptive and underhanded.

    "canadian_stud said
    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?"

    I never said that. I said Israel is the real terrorist agent.

    Grow up to be suicide bombers? Yeah real fact statement there.

    A people with years of oppression with limited means of expression are forced to work with tools they can get their hands on. The fact that the give up their lives shows you the desperation they face.

    You should not cut paste stuff to make words up. If your argument is valid you wouldn't have to rely on such low rent tactics.


    I read a lot in a day. I never cut and paste anything. I form my own ideas from the many resources I read. I don't know everything, but this I know. People need to learn to GET A LONG!! That's it!
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    canadian_stud saidfirst of all trying to Misquote me is very deceptive and underhanded.

    "canadian_stud said
    Hamas is a terrorist group. Would you sit and have dinner with any one of them?"

    I never said that. I said Israel is the real terrorist agent.

    Grow up to be suicide bombers? Yeah real fact statement there.

    A people with years of oppression with limited means of expression are forced to work with tools they can get their hands on. The fact that the give up their lives shows you the desperation they face.

    You should not cut paste stuff to make words up. If your argument is valid you wouldn't have to rely on such low rent tactics.


    Well, I know someone who'd sit and have dinner with Hamas, yes: "When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?"…(Matthew, 9:11).

    What I have never understood is the generosity of these peoples' "god" in "giving" them this land. I mean, if they'd been at each other's throats since time immemorial fighting over... Scotland, Austria, the natural resources of... Mexico? But THIS piece of shit? (Sorry, "land of milk and honey").


    For the Jewish people it's called ZION. For the Christians it's the Birthplace of Christ. Muslims, I am not sure. Something Holy to them I think also. This has always been a troubled region. I am not sure I will even understand the GAMES of this earth!! GOD SO HELP US ALL. Unless, your atheist right?
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    Jul 21, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    2bnaked said
    Muslims, I am not sure. Something Holy to them I think also.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount
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    Aug 04, 2014 4:38 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said"Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza"

    I read that they were watching Iron Dome intercept the rockets being launched at them. But I suspect that if thousands of rockets were being launched at you and the US Air Force was attacking the rocket launchers, you'd also cheer.