Israel’s war of self-defense

  • metta

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    Jul 21, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    Do you think that Israel has gone too far? Not far enough? About right?







    Israel's war of disproportionate force on Gaza

    Early Sunday, an Israeli incursion into the Shujayea neighborhood in Gaza killed at least 60 more Palestinians. Most of the injuries being treated at Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital belong to civilians suffering from shrapnel injuries and amputations. More than 100 children have been killed so far and the Palestinian death toll just surpassed 400 with more than 3000 injured.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/gaza-israel-militaryoperationswarpalestiniancivilians.html

  • metta

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    Jul 21, 2014 4:19 AM GMT
    Young American Jew stands up for Palestine.





  • tj85016

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    Jul 21, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    the Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled
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    Jul 21, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidthe Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled


    Usually I think you have something worthwhile to add to a discussion, but this time I have to ask, "Are you Serious?"

    To my knowledge the Nazis never sent 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into any concentration camp, yet Israel sends 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into Gaza and that hasn't stopped because of this conflict.

    I've never found any historical reference for Jews inside concentration camps having tunnels out of the concentration camps for years at a time and being able to use them to slaughter German families and kidnap teenage boys, yet the Palestinians have such tunnels from Gaza to the rest of Israel and have used them for such purposes.

    I have never heard of Jews Passing out candy and dancing in the streets everytime a German was kidnaped or killed.

    I have never found any historical records of the Jews having any kind of real weapons inside the concentration camps, yet Hamas and the Palestinians do have weapons in Gaza.

    I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities.

    I have yet to see any accounts of Jews using suicide vest or strapping such vests to their children and dogs and detonating them in populous areas or at military installations .

    I've never heard of a case where the Nazis warned the Jews or anyone else for that matter, that they would have a military strike at a particular hour to evacuate the area, yet Israel is doing just that.

    I haven't been able to find any cases where Jewish leaders took shelter in bomb shelters while forcing women and children to stay in their houses, knowing that a military strike was coming.

    I wasn't aware that the German solution for the Jews included a "Two State Solution", as Israel has agreed to over and over since 1948. If this was about the Palestinians having a homeland of their own, Israel has been offering that for more than 6 decades.

    I've never heard of the Jews hiding weapons among their women and children, starting a conflict, maximumizing the death total and then crying foul.

    From where I stand Israel doesn't look so much like the Nazis as the Islamo-Fascist Palestinians who sided with the Nazis during WWII do. They both can't/couldn't/won't accept the possibility of one Jew left alive.
  • TheSkyWasYell...

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    Jul 21, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
    On the contrary, I wish Israel would get off its ass and exterminate Palestinian insectile, mindless filth once and for all. These Pali crybabies (who manipulate the world for sympathy) are the lowest, criminal dregs of the muslim world. They want gays executed, teach their children to be suicide bombers, have a jew-killing charter identical to Hitler's, and cheered in the streets over 9/11. So I have ZERO sympathy for these Palistinian inbred filth and want them completely destroyed down to the last woman and child. These people are a vicious disease which contribute NOTHING to humanity except pain and suffering. Instead of using all their overgenerous foreign aid trying to improve their society, they spend all their time/money trying to kill Jews so fuck them and fuck anyone who sympathizes with these utterly mindless, animal vermin that EVEN OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES REJECT!

    Any gay who defends mud-slime culture ranks even lower than Log Cabin Repubs. on my scale of miserable, shit-eating, sell-out vermin and deserves every homophobic hate crime they get.
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    tj85016 saidthe Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled


    Usually I think you have something worthwhile to add to a discussion, but this time I have to ask, "Are you Serious?"

    To my knowledge the Nazis never sent 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into any concentration camp, yet Israel sends 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into Gaza and that hasn't stopped because of this conflict.

    I've never found any historical reference for Jews inside concentration camps having tunnels out of the concentration camps for years at a time and being able to use them to slaughter German families and kidnap teenage boys, yet the Palestinians have such tunnels from Gaza to the rest of Israel and have used them for such purposes.

    I have never heard of Jews Passing out candy and dancing in the streets everytime a German was kidnaped or killed.

    I have never found any historical records of the Jews having any kind of real weapons inside the concentration camps, yet Hamas and the Palestinians do have weapons in Gaza.

    I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities.

    I have yet to see any accounts of Jews using suicide vest or strapping such vests to their children and dogs and detonating them in populous areas or at military installations .

    I've never heard of a case where the Nazis warned the Jews or anyone else for that matter, that they would have a military strike at a particular hour to evacuate the area, yet Israel is doing just that.

    I haven't been able to find any cases where Jewish leaders took shelter in bomb shelters while forcing women and children to stay in their houses, knowing that a military strike was coming.

    I wasn't aware that the German solution for the Jews included a "Two State Solution", as Israel has agreed to over and over since 1948. If this was about the Palestinians having a homeland of their own, Israel has been offering that for more than 6 decades.

    I've never heard of the Jews hiding weapons among their women and children, starting a conflict, maximumizing the death total and then crying foul.

    From where I stand Israel doesn't look so much like the Nazis as the Islamo-Fascist Palestinians who sided with the Nazis during WWII do. They both can't/couldn't/won't accept the possibility of one Jew left alive.

    Excellent reply to some of the nonsense that pervades these boards.
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    Jul 21, 2014 8:54 PM GMT
    TheSkyWasYellow saidOn the contrary, I wish Israel would get off its ass and exterminate Palestinian insectile, mindless filth once and for all. These Pali crybabies (who manipulate the world for sympathy) are the lowest, criminal dregs of the muslim world. They want gays executed, teach their children to be suicide bombers, have a jew-killing charter identical to Hitler's, and cheered in the streets over 9/11. So I have ZERO sympathy for these Palistinian inbred filth and want them completely destroyed down to the last woman and child. These people are a vicious disease which contribute NOTHING to humanity except pain and suffering. Instead of using all their overgenerous foreign aid trying to improve their society, they spend all their time/money trying to kill Jews so fuck them and fuck anyone who sympathizes with these utterly mindless, animal vermin that EVEN OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES REJECT!

    Any gay who defends mud-slime culture ranks even lower than Log Cabin Repubs. on my scale of miserable, shit-eating, sell-out vermin and deserves every homophobic hate crime they get.


    There are days that I might come within 10% of agreeing with you, but this is far far way over the top.

    I've reported you and asked that you be deleted.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 22, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    It is time for the US to give Israel a choice. If they want US support and friendship they need to stop electing hard liners to run their country. If Israelis insist on electing war mongering hard liners, than it is time for the US to pull the plug on Israel and become a pro Arab country. It is that plain and simple.
  • tj85016

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    Jul 22, 2014 12:33 AM GMT
    Who could possibly be surprised at what Hamas or the Palestinians do? They got their land snatched from under them in 1948 and they're still pissed off. Who wouldn't be? But unlike the Native Americans, they have some friends with deep pockets.

    You all know you'd be lobbing a few whatevers at Tel Aviv whenever you could if you were in their shoes.
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    Jul 22, 2014 3:43 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
    Boundaries of the region have changed throughout history, and were last defined in modern times by the Franco-British boundary agreement (1920) and the Transjordan memorandum of 16 September 1922, during the mandate period.[3] Today, the region comprises the State of Israel and Palestinian territories in which the State of Palestine was declared


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people
    The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[32] Legal historian Assaf Likhovski states that the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine
    The State of Palestine[i] (Arabic: دولة فلسطين‎ Dawlat Filasṭīn) is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations.[13][14] Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers


    History of 1000s of years of control over the area summed up in a shoe gif
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  • Lincsbear

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    Jul 22, 2014 8:43 PM GMT
    metta8 saidYoung American Jew stands up for Palestine.







    It`s examples like these that make me wonder how democratic Israel really is.

    It`s a disproportionate war, as Hamas represents only a minor immediate threat to Israel, given the sheer scale of economic, military, and political support she receives from the US and other western countries. But Israel is so fearful and it probably suits the politicians there to have it so. When a country feels afraid and under threat its people are more easily controlled, and it usually tries to silence public dissent, which is the hallmark of a democracy. It`s an ominous sign of what might be coming there.

    I fear Israel is paying a price for this attack on Gaza(and past ones, as well as in the West Bank) in its international reputation among the peoples of the world; and upon itself. But it appears to value the sympathy and sycophancy of major governments more.

    What`s even more worrying is that it either can`t or won`t see this, maybe because of its paranoia. It`s friends need to be honest with it.
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    Jul 23, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidWho could possibly be surprised at what Hamas or the Palestinians do? They got their land snatched from under them in 1948 and they're still pissed off. Who wouldn't be? But unlike the Native Americans, they have some friends with deep pockets.

    You all know you'd be lobbing a few whatevers at Tel Aviv whenever you could if you were in their shoes.


    As I said earlier, usually you have something to add to a discussion, but in this case you are out of your depth and way off.

    Historical evidence doesn't support what you've said about the Palestinians having "their land snatched from under them".

    Due to space it's nearly impossible to explain the Jewish purchases of land in what is now Israel in the century leading up to the creation of Israel in 1948. Your narrative is uninformed, to say the least.

    The often made claim that a Jewish minority owning only 5% of the land in Palestine forced Arabs who owned 95% of the land off their land is not supported by the historical fact.

    In may 1948 the State of Israel was established on a portion of the area allotted by the origional League of Nations Mandate. At the time of the formation of Israel, 8.6% of the land was owned by Jews, 3.3% owned by Arab owners (both inside the area and in areas as far away as Egypt, Syria and Turkey). 16.9% of the land had been abandoned by Arab owners who joined with Arab armies from surrounding Arab states who called for them to leave Palestine to "get out of the way" while Arab armies tried to kill the new state before it began. The rest of the land (more than 70%) had been land vested in the Mandate Power and therefore accordingly, legally reverted to the state Israel.

    The 1946 British Government survey of Palestine found that the greater part of this 70% was made up of some 3,144,250 acres or about 50% of the Total 6,580,00 acres of the total Mandate of Palestine. These lands were know as Crown or State lands and were made up of mostly uninhabited arid or semi-arid lands that were inherited by the Mandatory Government from the previous owner, Turkey. These lands passed to the Government of Israel in 1948. These lands had never been owned by Arab farmers, neither under the British Mandate nor under the Ottoman Empire.

    Maybe it's best summed up by the Algerian political writer Abdul Razak Kader in 1969:

    "The Nationalists of the states neighbouring on Israel, whether they are in the government or in business, whether Palestinian, Syrian or Lebanese or town dwellers of tribal origin all know that at the beginning of the century and during the British Mandate the marshy plains and stony hills were sold to the Zionists by their unclesfor gold, the very gold which is often the origin of their own political of commercial careers. The Nomadic or seminomadic peasants who inhabited the frontier regions know full well what the green plains, the afforested hills and the flowering fields of today's Israel were like before. The Palestinians who are today refugees in the neighbouring countries and who were adults at the time of their flight know all this, and no anti-Zionist propaganda-pan-Arab or Pan-Moslem can make them forget that their present nationalist exploiters are the worthy sons of their feudal exploiters of yesterday and that the thorns of their life are of Arab, not Jewish, origin."




    Your and others contention that somehow the Palestinians had "their lands snatched from under them in 1948" just is not true. The truth is that Jews turned a shithole of a desert and swampy wasteland into a modern state capable of taking care of itself and in the process elevated the standard of living of both themselves and the Palestinians and now the Palestinians want to take it from them for nothing and return it to a 6th century Islamist shithole!






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    TheSkyWasYellow saidOn the contrary, I wish Israel would get off its ass and exterminate Palestinian insectile, mindless filth once and for all. These Pali crybabies (who manipulate the world for sympathy) are the lowest, criminal dregs of the muslim world. They want gays executed, teach their children to be suicide bombers, have a jew-killing charter identical to Hitler's, and cheered in the streets over 9/11. So I have ZERO sympathy for these Palistinian inbred filth and want them completely destroyed down to the last woman and child. These people are a vicious disease which contribute NOTHING to humanity except pain and suffering. Instead of using all their overgenerous foreign aid trying to improve their society, they spend all their time/money trying to kill Jews so fuck them and fuck anyone who sympathizes with these utterly mindless, animal vermin that EVEN OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES REJECT!

    Any gay who defends mud-slime culture ranks even lower than Log Cabin Repubs. on my scale of miserable, shit-eating, sell-out vermin and deserves every homophobic hate crime they get.


    Seriously? I and others served our country so that you have the right to say what you said but I just can't defend what you said.

    To call for the extermination of a whole people, and you speak of humanity?
  • metta

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    Jul 23, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
    Israel Is Destroying West Bank Houses To Punish Hamas’ Family Members

    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/23/3463273/israel-destroy-houses/
  • shutoman

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    Jul 23, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
    The question was "Do you think that Israel has gone too far? Not far enough? About right?"

    In my view, gone too far.

    You don't shell beaches with kids playing on them. You don't shell hospitals. You don't drop a 'knocking' shell on a house and bomb it 57 seconds later.

    In short - you don't retaliate on a scale of roughly 50-1.

    Saying 'we gave you warning' doesn't cut it. The numbers reveal that policy does not work, therefore it should be abandoned. It's not enough to say 'we didn't mean to hit you'. If you know that you do, in fact, keep killing civilians with this military policy, you should stop.

    Hamas? I'd be happy to see them all blown up, although I'd prefer to see them tried and condemned (that's a preference, I understand it may not be practical). But treating children the way you would terrorists is appalling and it brings democracy into disrepute. Democracy means more than just elections. it means following the rule of law including the laws of conflict to the spirit and not just the letter.
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    Jul 23, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    I just got back from 11 days in Israel where I was ducking into bomb shelters almost every day whenever the sirens sounded indicating that incoming Hamas missiles were on their way. I hope the fighting stops soon but I do believe that Israel needs to crush Hamas (who are genocidal terrorists) as if there were no Fatah; and at the same time negotiate much more reasonably and meaningfully with Fatah as if there were no Hamas. The time for a two-state solution is long overdue --- and --- Israel needs to destroy Hamas's offensive capabilities.
  • gooddude1583

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    Jul 24, 2014 3:24 AM GMT
    I am very sad and conflicted with the situation. As an Israeli with all my family back in Israel I can see why we respond to Hamas attacks and I don't think any country would have accepted getting missiles fired at your people without retaliation. Hamas has invested all it's resources for building tunnels and acquiring weapons. I already know a few of the Israeli soldiers who were killed in Gaza and my heart goes out to their families. But at the same time I feel sad for all the innocent lives lost in Gaza. I think that the IDF does not intentionally target civilians (unlike hamas) but because of Gaza being so highly populated and the fact Hamas has no respect for the lives of civilians in Gaza, the people of Gaza pay the price. The IDF is not using all of its power and it has made some mistakes which need to be dealt with. In the end of the day, I hope a cease fire can be reached and I do hope we can make the lives of people in Gaza better. This was tried once but it has to be tried again. Hamas is not a partner for peace but moderate Palestinians such as president Abbas are! Hamas flourishes on despair so we need to the give the people of Gaza hope. Hope for a better future of prosperity and their own independent state!

    - Look at this following link. It shows families of both Palestinians and Israelis who lost their loved ones due to our ongoing conflict and all they have to say is they don't want any more people to be like them. Touching and painful.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgFiMvFBwn4

    Hoping for better times for both Israelis and Palestinians.
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    Jul 24, 2014 8:39 AM GMT
    Thanks Gooddude for your post, which states thoughts that I agree with you but which you express much more eloquently than I can. For any of you who watched the video link he shared, the Jewish and Palestinian Arab Israelis in the video were each saying "We don't want you here."

    At the end of the video, the "punchline" explains that the "you" refers to having any more newly bereaved family members in our Jewish/Palestinian support group for families of those killed in warfare.
  • shutoman

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    Jul 24, 2014 10:14 AM GMT
    @gooddude1583 @duluthrunner

    Thanks for your comments which are balanced and fair. I have never thought that IDF soldiers on the ground for one moment went to war wishing to kill children - but I do feel that the military doctrines currently being implemented in Gaza come at an unacceptable cost. I also have to register concern at the language coming out of significant sections of the IDF rabbinate.

    I'm encouraged too that there is talk of negotiating with Fateh - but, of course, a lot lies with that. One of the reasons that Hamas gained strength was because of Fateh's failure to come up with any lasting concessions. Abbas needs boosting, and I cannot see how he can gain further credibility within the Palestinian constituencies without, say, a meaningful halt on settlements in the West Bank. But that's not going to be easy.
  • shutoman

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    Jul 25, 2014 4:08 PM GMT
    I'd never seen a Hamas interview before, and i thought this was interesting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p023kld8
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 5:57 PM GMT
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/24/israelis-palestinians-losers-conflict-suffering-rights

    Daniel Barenboim made more sense than anyone in yesterday's Guardian and is, of course, an Israeli and Palestinian passport holder.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
    shybuffguy said
    tj85016 saidthe Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled


    Usually I think you have something worthwhile to add to a discussion, but this time I have to ask, "Are you Serious?"

    To my knowledge the Nazis never sent 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into any concentration camp, yet Israel sends 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into Gaza and that hasn't stopped because of this conflict.

    I've never found any historical reference for Jews inside concentration camps having tunnels out of the concentration camps for years at a time and being able to use them to slaughter German families and kidnap teenage boys, yet the Palestinians have such tunnels from Gaza to the rest of Israel and have used them for such purposes.

    I have never heard of Jews Passing out candy and dancing in the streets everytime a German was kidnaped or killed.

    I have never found any historical records of the Jews having any kind of real weapons inside the concentration camps, yet Hamas and the Palestinians do have weapons in Gaza.

    I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities.

    I have yet to see any accounts of Jews using suicide vest or strapping such vests to their children and dogs and detonating them in populous areas or at military installations .

    I've never heard of a case where the Nazis warned the Jews or anyone else for that matter, that they would have a military strike at a particular hour to evacuate the area, yet Israel is doing just that.

    I haven't been able to find any cases where Jewish leaders took shelter in bomb shelters while forcing women and children to stay in their houses, knowing that a military strike was coming.

    I wasn't aware that the German solution for the Jews included a "Two State Solution", as Israel has agreed to over and over since 1948. If this was about the Palestinians having a homeland of their own, Israel has been offering that for more than 6 decades.

    I've never heard of the Jews hiding weapons among their women and children, starting a conflict, maximumizing the death total and then crying foul.

    From where I stand Israel doesn't look so much like the Nazis as the Islamo-Fascist Palestinians who sided with the Nazis during WWII do. They both can't/couldn't/won't accept the possibility of one Jew left alive.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshit:

    See map, idiot.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3878653#439874_3878695_name
  • topathlete

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    Jul 26, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    shybuffguy said
    tj85016 saidthe Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled


    Usually I think you have something worthwhile to add to a discussion, but this time I have to ask, "Are you Serious?"

    To my knowledge the Nazis never sent 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into any concentration camp, yet Israel sends 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into Gaza and that hasn't stopped because of this conflict.

    I've never found any historical reference for Jews inside concentration camps having tunnels out of the concentration camps for years at a time and being able to use them to slaughter German families and kidnap teenage boys, yet the Palestinians have such tunnels from Gaza to the rest of Israel and have used them for such purposes.

    I have never heard of Jews Passing out candy and dancing in the streets everytime a German was kidnaped or killed.

    I have never found any historical records of the Jews having any kind of real weapons inside the concentration camps, yet Hamas and the Palestinians do have weapons in Gaza.

    I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities.

    I have yet to see any accounts of Jews using suicide vest or strapping such vests to their children and dogs and detonating them in populous areas or at military installations .

    I've never heard of a case where the Nazis warned the Jews or anyone else for that matter, that they would have a military strike at a particular hour to evacuate the area, yet Israel is doing just that.

    I haven't been able to find any cases where Jewish leaders took shelter in bomb shelters while forcing women and children to stay in their houses, knowing that a military strike was coming.

    I wasn't aware that the German solution for the Jews included a "Two State Solution", as Israel has agreed to over and over since 1948. If this was about the Palestinians having a homeland of their own, Israel has been offering that for more than 6 decades.

    I've never heard of the Jews hiding weapons among their women and children, starting a conflict, maximumizing the death total and then crying foul.

    From where I stand Israel doesn't look so much like the Nazis as the Islamo-Fascist Palestinians who sided with the Nazis during WWII do. They both can't/couldn't/won't accept the possibility of one Jew left alive.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshit:

    See map, idiot.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3878653#439874_3878695_name

    Do you have the intellectual capacity to explain how the map invalidates the points he makes. The borders were created by the UN and enlarged after the Arabs attacked the Jews and were defeated. Did you know that the borders of many countries are defined as the result of conflict?
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 26, 2014 1:59 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    WrestlerBoy said
    shybuffguy said
    tj85016 saidthe Israeli's have become the Nazi's they once fled


    Usually I think you have something worthwhile to add to a discussion, but this time I have to ask, "Are you Serious?"

    To my knowledge the Nazis never sent 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into any concentration camp, yet Israel sends 100 tons of humanitarian supplies daily into Gaza and that hasn't stopped because of this conflict.

    I've never found any historical reference for Jews inside concentration camps having tunnels out of the concentration camps for years at a time and being able to use them to slaughter German families and kidnap teenage boys, yet the Palestinians have such tunnels from Gaza to the rest of Israel and have used them for such purposes.

    I have never heard of Jews Passing out candy and dancing in the streets everytime a German was kidnaped or killed.

    I have never found any historical records of the Jews having any kind of real weapons inside the concentration camps, yet Hamas and the Palestinians do have weapons in Gaza.

    I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities.

    I have yet to see any accounts of Jews using suicide vest or strapping such vests to their children and dogs and detonating them in populous areas or at military installations .

    I've never heard of a case where the Nazis warned the Jews or anyone else for that matter, that they would have a military strike at a particular hour to evacuate the area, yet Israel is doing just that.

    I haven't been able to find any cases where Jewish leaders took shelter in bomb shelters while forcing women and children to stay in their houses, knowing that a military strike was coming.

    I wasn't aware that the German solution for the Jews included a "Two State Solution", as Israel has agreed to over and over since 1948. If this was about the Palestinians having a homeland of their own, Israel has been offering that for more than 6 decades.

    I've never heard of the Jews hiding weapons among their women and children, starting a conflict, maximumizing the death total and then crying foul.

    From where I stand Israel doesn't look so much like the Nazis as the Islamo-Fascist Palestinians who sided with the Nazis during WWII do. They both can't/couldn't/won't accept the possibility of one Jew left alive.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshit:

    See map, idiot.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3878653#439874_3878695_name

    Do you have the intellectual capacity to explain how the map invalidates the points he makes. The borders were created by the UN and enlarged after the Arabs attacked the Jews and were defeated. Did you know that the borders of many countries are defined as the result of conflict?


    No. Next.
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    Jul 26, 2014 2:13 AM GMT
    "I have never seen any accounts of Jews hiding weapons in their schools,hospitals and synagogue during WWII.

    I have never heard of accounts where the Jews in concentration camps were able to launch rockets into German cities.

    I've never read a single account of half the German population hiding in bomb shelters for days while the Jews dropped rockets on their cities. "


    Imagine their different fate if the Jews had been able to fight back against the Nazis.

    You make a strong case for arming the Palestinians.