Religious freedom and gay rights, which will win?

  • FuerteC

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    Jul 21, 2014 3:11 PM GMT
    Is it a false dichotomy?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/how-hobby-lobby-split-the-left-and-set-back-gay-rights/374721/

    You don't choose to be gay but you can choose your own religion. In my view gay rights trump religious freedom. You are born gay. You are predisposed to be gay. The problem is religious extremism. There is a great deal of religious extremism in the current age. Also we are becoming secular, as we don't care what religion you are as long as we respect basic human rights. How many religions are actively against homosexuality? They are not even for gay rights.
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    Jul 21, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
    The "born gay" argument is useless against religion. Blacks are born black, yet some people still use bible verses to justify hatred toward them.

    Until all religions learn the teachings of Jesus (equal love for everyone)some religions will continue to use their religious texts as a basis for hatred.

    Personally, I think all religious texts that are not direct quotes from Jesus should be outlawed and burned; but I'm also aware that's not feasible...just a pleasant thought.
  • wild_sky360

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    Jul 21, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
    It becomes increasingly irrelevant as people recognize and reject hypocrisy.
  • FuerteC

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    Jul 21, 2014 3:24 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe "born gay" argument is useless against religion. Blacks are born black, yet some people still use bible verses to justify hatred toward them.

    Until all religions learn the teachings of Jesus (equal love for everyone)some religions will continue to use their religious texts as a basis for hatred.

    Personally, I think all religious texts that are not direct quotes from Jesus should be outlawed and burned; but I'm also aware that's not feasible...just a pleasant thought.


    I somewhat agree. However not all people agree with the teachings of Jesus. I think the least tolerant of homosexuality is Islam which is a bit ironic considering Pakistanis search of "gay sex" on google is very high. There are gay Christians, gay Buddhists, but gay Hindus, Sikhs and of other faiths are very rare.
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    Jul 21, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
    FuerteC said
    paulflexes saidThe "born gay" argument is useless against religion. Blacks are born black, yet some people still use bible verses to justify hatred toward them.

    Until all religions learn the teachings of Jesus (equal love for everyone)some religions will continue to use their religious texts as a basis for hatred.

    Personally, I think all religious texts that are not direct quotes from Jesus should be outlawed and burned; but I'm also aware that's not feasible...just a pleasant thought.


    I somewhat agree. However not all people agree with the teachings of Jesus. I think the least tolerant of homosexuality is Islam which is a bit ironic considering Pakistanis search of "gay sex" on google is very high. There are gay Christians, gay Buddhists, but gay Hindus, Sikhs and of other faiths are very rare.
    Due to lack of evidence, I don't fully believe that Jesus existed; but I admire his teachings.

    The reason people don't agree with his teachings is that they can't comprehend the idea of love and tolerance. Hate is so ingrained in their thoughts that they pick out verses to justify the hate, and they're not even aware that hate is what's driving them...they honestly believe they're doing the right thing. That's what makes religion so scary.
  • wild_sky360

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    Jul 21, 2014 11:36 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidDue to lack of evidence, I don't fully believe that Jesus existed; but I admire his teachings.


    Interesting position that you don't hear very often.
    I'm on the fence about it. The film Zeitgeist spends the first 30 minutes dissecting that point, without malice.

    Lately I'm thinking he's a higher dimensional being that chose to incarnate to experience life as a human being and to bring a message about the mess of religions at that time.

    I don't believe a single anti gay message has ever been attributed to him directly, just those that continued to speak in his name after death.
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    Jul 22, 2014 12:28 AM GMT
    Religious freedom must win for equality to win.

    In other words, "separation of church and state" must be authentic or it will be a sham.
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    Jul 22, 2014 4:01 AM GMT
    wild_sky360 said
    paulflexes saidDue to lack of evidence, I don't fully believe that Jesus existed; but I admire his teachings.


    Interesting position that you don't hear very often.
    I'm on the fence about it. The film Zeitgeist spends the first 30 minutes dissecting that point, without malice.

    Lately I'm thinking he's a higher dimensional being that chose to incarnate to experience life as a human being and to bring a message about the mess of religions at that time.

    I don't believe a single anti gay message has ever been attributed to him directly, just those that continued to speak in his name after death.
    It's funny you refer to him as a higher dimensional being. The more I learn about quantum mechanics, physics, etc., the more plausible that theory sounds. It doesn't explain the immaculate conception, but that's not entirely outside the laws of physics either. And yeah, he definitely rebuked all the religions of that time...not to mention warned of future religions (false prophets).

    I've noticed that people who practice meditation seem to have a higher understanding of the "spiritual realm" (ie. inner workings of the subconscious mind). It could very well be that our subconscious minds are quantumly entangled, and he was simply trying to point that out. Unfortunately, he came at a time when humans weren't capable of understanding such scientific information.