Joan Rivers goes OFF about the Gaza conflict . . . and takes Selena Gomez down in the crossfire!

  • madsexy

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    Jul 25, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    This is hysterical . . . but real . . .
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    Jul 25, 2014 11:00 PM GMT
    Joan Rivers is such a dumb cunt.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    I agree with her.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    If the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.
  • madsexy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidIf the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.

    I must have missed that lesson in university - I thought treason had to be AGAINST your government or country not expressing a view on another country or two countries' conflict???

    Like Webster though above I do agree with her position and point (about Israel v. Palestine not necessarily about Selena Gomez - I have to think about that one! icon_lol.gif ). But I offer it as my opinion only - and I don't think I'm guilty of treason to my country or to this country I love or to Israel! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy saidIf the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.

    I must have missed that lesson in university - I thought treason had to be AGAINST your government or country not expressing a view on another country or two countries' conflict???

    Like Webster though above I do agree with her position and point (about Israel v. Palestine not necessarily about Selena Gomez - I have to think about that one! icon_lol.gif ). But I offer it as my opinion only - and I don't think I'm guilty of treason to my country or to this country I love or to Israel! icon_rolleyes.gif


    My mother was born in Mexico City. I couldn't give a FUCK what the Mexican Govt thinks about the US Government, and have no loyalty to Mexico's Govt...at all.

    In that this "Jewish" bitch feels a sense of loyalty based on religion to a foreign state, you bet she's a fucking traitor. She's countering every word the UNITED STATES Secretary of State is saying in his stance and negotiations.

    So, yes, you "missed" that bit in "university."
  • madsexy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy saidIf the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.

    I must have missed that lesson in university - I thought treason had to be AGAINST your government or country not expressing a view on another country or two countries' conflict???

    Like Webster though above I do agree with her position and point (about Israel v. Palestine not necessarily about Selena Gomez - I have to think about that one! icon_lol.gif ). But I offer it as my opinion only - and I don't think I'm guilty of treason to my country or to this country I love or to Israel! icon_rolleyes.gif


    My mother was born in Mexico City. I couldn't give a FUCK what the Mexican Govt thinks about the US Government, and have no loyalty to Mexico's Govt...at all.

    In that this "Jewish" bitch feels a sense of loyalty based on religion to a foreign state, you bet she's a fucking traitor. She's countering every word the UNITED STATES Secretary of State is saying in his stance and negotiations.

    So, yes, you "missed" that bit in "university."

    But Wrestler that's not treason to disagree with the Secretary of State - that's the right of Americans to their opinions in a free country. And you're assuming her reason is because she's Jewish - how do you know her reason isn't the same as mine (and I'm not Jewish though I can be a 'bitch' LOL)?

    I didn't post this to argue although I'm interested in other people's view on the conflict but that's a different matter. I posted it because I thought it was funny and particular the Selena Gomez part is hysterical. Take it down a notch my too-educated bud! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 25, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
    Israel is a fucking asshole.


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  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy said
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy saidIf the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.

    I must have missed that lesson in university - I thought treason had to be AGAINST your government or country not expressing a view on another country or two countries' conflict???

    Like Webster though above I do agree with her position and point (about Israel v. Palestine not necessarily about Selena Gomez - I have to think about that one! icon_lol.gif ). But I offer it as my opinion only - and I don't think I'm guilty of treason to my country or to this country I love or to Israel! icon_rolleyes.gif


    My mother was born in Mexico City. I couldn't give a FUCK what the Mexican Govt thinks about the US Government, and have no loyalty to Mexico's Govt...at all.

    In that this "Jewish" bitch feels a sense of loyalty based on religion to a foreign state, you bet she's a fucking traitor. She's countering every word the UNITED STATES Secretary of State is saying in his stance and negotiations.

    So, yes, you "missed" that bit in "university."

    But Wrestler that's not treason to disagree with the Secretary of State - that's the right of Americans to their opinions in a free country. And you're assuming her reason is because she's Jewish - how do you know her reason isn't the same as mine (and I'm not Jewish though I can be a 'bitch' LOL)?

    I didn't post this to argue although I'm interested in other people's view on the conflict but that's a different matter. I posted it because I thought it was funny and particular the Selena Gomez part is hysterical. Take it down a notch my too-educated bud! icon_biggrin.gif


    It's called treason, unless you're "Jewish". I COULD be a Mexican national, for example, but ONLY because my mother (a parent) was born there. They are the only two grounds on which I "could" claim Mexican nationality.

    Now, was Joan Rivers born in Israel? No. Were her parents born in Israel? No. Does Joan Rivers VOTE in Israeli elections? YES.

    If you're not seeing that difference, then... you're not seeing that difference.
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    Jul 25, 2014 11:37 PM GMT
    Israelite and Jew are two different things. Just saying.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:39 PM GMT
    kevex saidIsrael is a fucking asshole.


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    I HATE to agree with you... but this is the most sensible post you've put up...ever. People simply will not LOOK at this map.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:42 PM GMT
    kevex saidIsraelite and Jew are two different things. Just saying.


    No, but you're not "just saying". Every Jew in New York and Miami who never lived in Israel for a day is (if they decide to) voting in the elections of a foreign state in which they were NOT BORN. And they're are voting in elections in that foreign state to approve the use of MY U.S. tax money.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    owl_bundy saidlet me get this straight. israel was basically a place that was created by other countries governments in the 50s like america and the uk out of land that was someone elses territory (palestine). is that right? somebody explain the shit to me.


    If you want to be technical, "Israel" was "created" by Peru.

    Go figure that one out.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 25, 2014 11:57 PM GMT
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy said
    madsexy said
    WrestlerBoy saidIf the daughter of French, or British, or German, of Spanish immigrants, who is a natural-born United States citizen, argued so forcefully for a country other than the one of which she IS a citizen, I know what I would call her.

    Why American "Jews" get away with this treason, is beyond me.

    I must have missed that lesson in university - I thought treason had to be AGAINST your government or country not expressing a view on another country or two countries' conflict???

    Like Webster though above I do agree with her position and point (about Israel v. Palestine not necessarily about Selena Gomez - I have to think about that one! icon_lol.gif ). But I offer it as my opinion only - and I don't think I'm guilty of treason to my country or to this country I love or to Israel! icon_rolleyes.gif


    My mother was born in Mexico City. I couldn't give a FUCK what the Mexican Govt thinks about the US Government, and have no loyalty to Mexico's Govt...at all.

    In that this "Jewish" bitch feels a sense of loyalty based on religion to a foreign state, you bet she's a fucking traitor. She's countering every word the UNITED STATES Secretary of State is saying in his stance and negotiations.

    So, yes, you "missed" that bit in "university."

    But Wrestler that's not treason to disagree with the Secretary of State - that's the right of Americans to their opinions in a free country. And you're assuming her reason is because she's Jewish - how do you know her reason isn't the same as mine (and I'm not Jewish though I can be a 'bitch' LOL)?

    I didn't post this to argue although I'm interested in other people's view on the conflict but that's a different matter. I posted it because I thought it was funny and particular the Selena Gomez part is hysterical. Take it down a notch my too-educated bud! icon_biggrin.gif


    It isn't? So YOU are voting in another FOREIGN POWER'S elections, as a NATIVE BORN American, are you???
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    Jul 26, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidIt isn't? So YOU are voting in another FOREIGN POWER'S elections, as a NATIVE BORN American, are you???


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

    Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other", (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.

  • tj85016

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    Jul 26, 2014 12:34 AM GMT
    typical new york cunt
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 26, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    WrestlerBoy saidIt isn't? So YOU are voting in another FOREIGN POWER'S elections, as a NATIVE BORN American, are you???


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

    Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other", (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.



    Shut up you armchair wannabe lawyer. Joan Rivers is not "naturalized" and has no right to resume "former citizenship", because she doesn't have one. Go to law school if you want to learn not making a fool of yourself even in that simple misreading of google world you just gave.
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    Jul 26, 2014 2:36 AM GMT
    kevex saidIsraelite and Jew are two different things. Just saying.


    NOT MUCH DIFFERENT
    :

    "The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses,

    BUT YOU'D BETTER STAY JEWISH

    "provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly."
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    Jul 26, 2014 2:42 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said... American "Jews" get away with this treason...


    WrestlerBoy said

    Shut up you armchair wannabe lawyer. Joan Rivers is not "naturalized" and has no right to resume "former citizenship", because she doesn't have one. Go to law school if you want to learn not making a fool of yourself even in that simple misreading of google world you just gave.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
    The Afroyim decision opened the way for a wider acceptance of dual (or multiple) citizenship in United States law.[3] The Bancroft Treaties—a series of agreements between the United States and other nations which had sought to limit dual citizenship following naturalization—were eventually abandoned after the Carter administration concluded that Afroyim and other Supreme Court decisions had rendered them unenforceable.

    The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_in_the_United_States
    The Supreme Court case of Afroyim v. Rusk declared that a U.S. citizen did not lose his citizenship by voting in an election in a foreign country, or by acquiring foreign citizenship, if they did not intend to lose U.S. citizenship. U.S. citizens who have dual citizenship do not lose their United States citizenship unless they renounce it officially


    I'm beginning to think shark was right about you.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 26, 2014 2:46 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    theantijock said
    WrestlerBoy saidIt isn't? So YOU are voting in another FOREIGN POWER'S elections, as a NATIVE BORN American, are you???


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

    Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a "status long recognized in the law" and that "a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other", (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized U.S. citizen has the right to return to his native country and to resume his former citizenship, and also to remain a U.S. citizen even if he never returns to the United States.



    Shut up you armchair wannabe lawyer. Joan Rivers is not "naturalized" and has no right to resume "former citizenship", because she doesn't have one. Go to law school if you want to learn not making a fool of yourself even in that simple misreading of google world you just gave.


    YOU said: "The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other", (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717)". Did you read the CASE, fool???

    HELD: his (Kawakita's) conviction for treason is AFFIRMED. Pp. 343 U. S. 719-745. And further...

    "The treasonable actions of petitioner (Kawakita) were so flagrant and persistent that it cannot be said that the DEATH SENTENCE imposed by the trial judge was so severe as to be arbitrary. Pp. 343 U. S. 744-745."
    190 F.2d 506 AFFIRMED.

    Do you have the SLIGHTEST idea on how to read the law? You've just used an "example" that completely proves the OPPOSITE of your purported point!

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Jul 26, 2014 2:50 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    WrestlerBoy said... American "Jews" get away with this treason...


    WrestlerBoy said

    Shut up you armchair wannabe lawyer. Joan Rivers is not "naturalized" and has no right to resume "former citizenship", because she doesn't have one. Go to law school if you want to learn not making a fool of yourself even in that simple misreading of google world you just gave.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
    The Afroyim decision opened the way for a wider acceptance of dual (or multiple) citizenship in United States law.[3] The Bancroft Treaties—a series of agreements between the United States and other nations which had sought to limit dual citizenship following naturalization—were eventually abandoned after the Carter administration concluded that Afroyim and other Supreme Court decisions had rendered them unenforceable.

    The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_in_the_United_States
    The Supreme Court case of Afroyim v. Rusk declared that a U.S. citizen did not lose his citizenship by voting in an election in a foreign country, or by acquiring foreign citizenship, if they did not intend to lose U.S. citizenship. U.S. citizens who have dual citizenship do not lose their United States citizenship unless they renounce it officially


    I'm beginning to think shark was right about you.


    If they were NOT NATURALIZED. And if you mean "your other bigoted Zionist asshole buddy" was "right about me because I think native-born Americans who vote in foreign powers' elections are traitors" then YES, he WAS "right about me."

    I am PROUD to be thought of as "wrong" but two old WANNABE "Jewish" queens like you two. GO to LAW SCHOOL to learn how to READ the law, you ignorant dolt.
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    http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

    A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality. However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.

    Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct. The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

    However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. nationality. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose nationality.

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    Jul 26, 2014 3:10 AM GMT
    An Eye for a Tooth
    Israel's problem with deterrence.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/07/24/an_eye_for_a_tooth_israel_gaza_hamas_deterrence_strategy

    " There is no real end to this dilemma, and it is likely to grow more intense. Even if the latest fighting yields months of peace, Israelis assume that they will have to again strike at Hamas, and perhaps even Hezbollah, at some point in the future. They use the term "mowing the grass": If Israel does nothing, the problem will grow out of control. Thus Israel feels compelled to act on a regular basis to ensure its deterrence achieves at least the partial results of limiting the wars and making them less frequent. So even if the latest fighting in Gaza ends soon, it won't be the last round."


    Hopeless.
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    Jul 26, 2014 3:13 AM GMT
    theantijock saidhttp://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html

    A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality. However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.

    Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct. The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

    However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. nationality. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose nationality.



    Let me try a 6th grade approach, and see if this gets thru your fog:

    JOAN RIVERS (whom we are TALKING about, yes???) is born in.... Spain (USA, in fact). Her PARENTS are born in... Italy (Russia, in fact). But she gets to VOTE in BRITISH elections (??????) because she "says" she is a member of the Church of England, the established RELIGION of that state.

    Is JEWISH (Church of England) the "nationality"?? Or is ISRAELI (British) the "nationality"? GETTING it???

    I am rejecting your Jewish co-option of "nationality" as I am...hers.
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    Jul 26, 2014 3:16 AM GMT
    AJ is in drive by mode...so fucking childish...he doesn't wish to hear what anyone is saying. All that will happen is he will get frustrated and increasingly nonsensical...