Study: Gays Are Leaving the 'Gayborhood'

  • metta

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    Jul 28, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    Study: Gays Are Leaving the 'Gayborhood'


    In the past decade, neighborhoods like the Castro and Chelsea have experienced a sizable drop in gay and lesbian residents.


    http://www.advocate.com/pride/2014/07/28/study-gays-are-leaving-gayborhood
  • Apparition

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    Jul 28, 2014 10:42 PM GMT
    ...people who tend to be single, are selling out to, or being forced out by rent increases, so two income couples can live close to THE MOST EXPENSIVE urban neighbourhoods in the US. SHOCKER...not.
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    Jul 28, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    True this.

    My anecdotal observation is that with greater acceptance of diversity, there is less attraction, and less need for the protection of a cloistered "Gayhto".
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    Jul 28, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
    Not only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.
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    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.
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    Jul 29, 2014 2:02 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
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    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....
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    Jul 29, 2014 3:44 AM GMT
    I see this as a Semi-good thing. This means More people will be " exposed" for lack of a better term to gay people and realize we are not some freakish monster. If all gay people stayed within small areas then progress would be much slower I believe.
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    lookinforcars101 saidI see this as a Semi-good thing. This means More people will be " exposed" for lack of a better term to gay people and realize we are not some freakish monster. If all gay people stayed within small areas then progress would be much slower I believe.


    And also we gay men start to realise that we have to make some attempt to fit into the values of our neighbourhood of choice as it's a two way street. Or maybe I am deluded and there will be more of the same crap followed by a mass return to the ghettos
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    Jul 29, 2014 5:20 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    lol, you want me to go back through your zillions of posts? not a chance, love. You said you said it, and that's that. You meant it as an insult and said so as well. 'apt description'. Consider those words. *shrugs*
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    Jul 29, 2014 5:59 AM GMT
    lookinforcars101 saidI see this as a Semi-good thing. This means More people will be " exposed" for lack of a better term to gay people and realize we are not some freakish monster. If all gay people stayed within small areas then progress would be much slower I believe.


    Probably we have a greater impact being out in the world like at our places of work than we do from inside our living rooms.
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    Jul 29, 2014 6:33 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1803431
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    Jul 29, 2014 6:33 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    lol, you want me to go back through your zillions of posts? not a chance, love. You said you said it, and that's that. You meant it as an insult and said so as well. 'apt description'. Consider those words. *shrugs*


    Took all of 15 seconds to find it.
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    lookinforcars101 saidI see this as a Semi-good thing. This means More people will be " exposed" for lack of a better term to gay people and realize we are not some freakish monster. If all gay people stayed within small areas then progress would be much slower I believe.


    Probably we have a greater impact being out in the world like at our places of work than we do from inside our living rooms.



    That has some truth to it but how many people who live in " gay Ghettos" never venture out of their area and thus expose no one to what it is to be gay( IE we are not some weird oddity ). That's to say for example person X lives in West Hollywood/ boystown, Dupont circle etc etc etc...... each day they go to their gym( happens to be in the gay area) buy their groceries( in the gay area) and walk their dog outside..... in this same area. They prob work in the gay area too as many people dont drive 40 miles to work each day etc.
    Im not saying its BAD to live in ANYPLACE do what you want, just that I think the guy who is in Rural town USA/world prob has a greater effect on social change than the guy who lives in NYC and is a professional gay.
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    meninlove said
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    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It must be hard being so perfect, and free of all sin yourselves. Oh my you have never attacked anyone, or ever been nasty here at RJ.

    But southbeach was also dealing with some very nasty and spiteful liberals wingers too.icon_wink.gif
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    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1803431


    Oh my the haters truly came out in that one just to abuse and insight hate. There truly is no depth to the depravity of the leftist wingers.
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    Jul 29, 2014 9:33 AM GMT
    Being blessed to call the worlds most livable city home. My husband and I have lived happily and safely out in the burbs for many years now, and we live in a colder sack full of straight family's.
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    Gays have been doing the "gentrification" of urban areas for decades. The aftermath is fairly typical.

    We fix up older marginal areas, Realtors pick it up as an up and coming hot spot, and the straights buy into it because it's a "safe" urban area. We end up being priced out of our own neighborhood "Gayttos".

    The only story here is the fervor in recent markets of SF and NYC where RE has exploded.
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    timmm55 saidGays have been doing the "gentrification" of urban areas for decades. The aftermath is fairly typical.

    We fix up older marginal areas, Realtors pick it up as an up and coming hot spot, and the straights buy into it because it's a "safe" urban area. We end up being priced out of our own neighborhood "Gayttos".

    The only story here is the fervor in recent markets of SF and NYC where RE has exploded.


    True that. In NYC started out in the West Village, got chased north into Chelsea, now 8th Ave looks like downtown Paramus with national chains and the go-to gay spot is in Hell's Kitchen.

    I had a visual of a swarm of buff guys in tank tops being herded northwards by a swarm of stroller-pushers.



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    Aunty_Jack said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
    southbeach1500 said
    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1803431


    Oh my the haters truly came out in that one just to abuse and insight hate. There truly is no depth to the depravity of the leftist wingers.


    Maybe a mildly snide comment from SB, but nothing approaching the insults that routinely are hurled his way.
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    lookinforcars101 said
    That has some truth to it but how many people who live in " gay Ghettos" never venture out of their area and thus expose no one to what it is to be gay( IE we are not some weird oddity ). That's to say for example person X lives in West Hollywood/ boystown, Dupont circle etc etc etc...... each day they go to their gym( happens to be in the gay area) buy their groceries( in the gay area) and walk their dog outside..... in this same area. They prob work in the gay area too as many people dont drive 40 miles to work each day etc.
    Im not saying its BAD to live in ANYPLACE do what you want, just that I think the guy who is in Rural town USA/world prob has a greater effect on social change than the guy who lives in NYC and is a professional gay.


    Well, of course, no one can really gayify the world more than a professional gay, other than, maybe, a gay professional.

    I get what you're saying but for two points. One, gayborhoods are not that large and as they tend to be more urban, they are immediately adjacent to the rest of civilization so residents don't work just in the gayborhood. The average commute from Wilton is 22 minutes, typical of pretty much anywhere, while it doesn't take 10 minutes to ride your bike from one end of town to the other in any direction. West Hollywood the commute is 23.6 minutes. Just N of Wilton is the bedroom community of Pompano Beach, commute time average 24 minutes. And near to W Hollywd is Beverly Hills, average commute time 22.9 minutes, all per city-data.

    So that's pretty much a wash.

    What my 2nd counter point would be--and I not only lived in the ghetto but helped to originally establish a very successful one and later moved out--is that most people hardly even know their next door neighbors, but we do associate more so with colleagues at work.

    I happen to be someone who does know not just many of my neighbors but many residents of the neighborhood where I live because I tend to get involved. I've a history of volunteering for the cities themselves and organizations within, I even plant plants for neighbors. I know their stories and they know mine. But most people don't do that.

    Mostly people just come home from work, drive into their garage and you don't see them again until there's a hurricane, the neighborhood loses electric for a week and everyone's looking for water. And even that camaraderie fades.

    Where as occupation is direct interaction every day, day after day. Plus the corporations have some power. A few minorities living in town might sway a few voters--assuming they're not just nice in person while voting their religion in the booth--but a corporation saying it won't come to town unless they stop discriminating, that, especially today, is where the power is.
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    meninlove said
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    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    lol, you want me to go back through your zillions of posts? not a chance, love. You said you said it, and that's that. You meant it as an insult and said so as well. 'apt description'. Consider those words. *shrugs*


    Took all of 15 seconds to find it.


    Well bless your heart, so post the link, lol.
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    Jul 29, 2014 3:52 PM GMT
    meninlove said
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    southbeach1500 said
    meninlove said
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    meninlove said
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    buddycat saidNot only is their less of need to stick to the gay ghetto, the emergence of the Internet has made it possible to socialize and meet gay people outside of the gayborhood. Being priced out is another issue but that certainly doesn't stop gay people from gentrifying another area for the yuppies and DINK couples.


    Funny how when I first used the term "gay ghetto" here to describe Wilton Manors, I was roundly condemned, but now it's "acceptable" to use the term by the liberal majority here.

    Just another example of the hypocrisy of the liberal majority RJ membership.


    Good grief. I remember that. You used it as a nasty insult. Can't tell the difference in usage? Tsk tsk.


    It wasn't an insult, it was a perfectly apt description. icon_exclaim.gif


    Trying to pull a Michelle Bachman are you? Oh dear....


    Please pull the quote in question. There should be no dispute between us that I made it, so go ahead and pull it from the archive.


    lol, you want me to go back through your zillions of posts? not a chance, love. You said you said it, and that's that. You meant it as an insult and said so as well. 'apt description'. Consider those words. *shrugs*


    Took all of 15 seconds to find it.


    Well bless your heart, so post the link, lol.


    Scroll up, already did in the post before the one you quoted.

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    Just found it. icon_lol.gif

    That's not the particular topic I read his words in, though. He also said it somewhere else. He can be remarkably repetitive in other topics. icon_lol.gif

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    meninlove said
    Just found it. icon_lol.gif

    That's not the particular topic I read his words in, though. He also said it somewhere else. He can be remarkably repetitive in other topics. icon_lol.gif



    Let me look again.
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    Jul 29, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    This one?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1044745