Serodiscordant couples

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    Jul 30, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    I'm new to this so I'd like to know how others feel about this.

    My partner has been diagnose a few months ago with HIV. I'm and negative and we haven't had sex in 3 months. I'm grateful I'm negative, I though I would turn positive since his viral load was high, but I'm so lucky and he is happy for me, since he felt s guilty. We are still together as of now but that's because we haven't discussed many things yet, it's all new to us. He's been taking meds for close to two months and it seems to be working, which I'm thankful for.

    I'm a doctor, so getting infected would have meant changes in my working settings.

    I know very well about the virus, stigma, and everything around it, except for sero discordant couples. I know about PreP treatment and safe sex and low viral loads can keep me safe if we stick to it.

    But what would you do in this situation? What do you thinks is best to do?

    I want to stay with him, but I'm not sure he feels the same. He wants me in his life and to be close, but says he understand if we just continue as friends.

    It's been an emotional roller coaster for me. And for him was worse since he didnt tell me when he got diagnosed, since he felt so guilty and ashamed, which I understand and don't hold it against him. He stopped sex immediately after he found out, just didnt know how to tell me. I found his meds.

    Any way. I would like per to share their experience in this sort of case, specially other sero discordant couples .
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    I meant to post this in the HIV forum. Sorry
  • MikeW

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    Jul 30, 2014 7:53 AM GMT
    My last partner was HIV+ (deceased now for 4+years), I'm HIV-. We had a fairly active sex life while we were together (total of about 5 years). We were versatile. When I was a bottom he never came inside me, even with a condom. We monitored his viral load. I'm not sure what more to say, just pointing out it is possible to be in a serodiscordant relationship and remain negative.
  • Mohannned

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    Jul 30, 2014 8:11 AM GMT
    stay safe , if u r afraid stay friends , if u love him and still want him , JUST KEEP IT SAFE
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    metropolitan saidI'm new to this so I'd like to know how others feel about this.

    My partner has been diagnose a few months ago with HIV. I'm and negative and we haven't had sex in 3 months. I'm grateful I'm negative, I though I would turn positive since his viral load was high, but I'm so lucky and he is happy for me, since he felt s guilty. We are still together as of now but that's because we haven't discussed many things yet, it's all new to us. He's been taking meds for close to two months and it seems to be working, which I'm thankful for.

    I'm a doctor, so getting infected would have meant changes in my working settings.

    I know very well about the virus, stigma, and everything around it, except for sero discordant couples. I know about PreP treatment and safe sex and low viral loads can keep me safe if we stick to it.

    But what would you do in this situation? What do you thinks is best to do?

    I want to stay with him, but I'm not sure he feels the same. He wants me in his life and to be close, but says he understand if we just continue as friends.

    It's been an emotional roller coaster for me. And for him was worse since he didnt tell me when he got diagnosed, since he felt so guilty and ashamed, which I understand and don't hold it against him. He stopped sex immediately after he found out, just didnt know how to tell me. I found his meds.

    Any way. I would like per to share their experience in this sort of case, specially other sero discordant couples .


    The worst irony would be if you got HIV from someone who "said" they were Negative. Your BF may feel a lot of pressure and guilt to keep you Negative, but cutting you loose is much more dangerous. After 6 months with a ZERO/undetectable the chances of you getting HIV are probably ZERO. Research the PARTNERS STUDY and the SWISS STUDY. In the Partner's Study 4 people came up Positive....but NOT from their partner.

    This is from March 2014. Anything older than 6 months is out of date: Scientifically and legally.
    http://www.projectinform.org/news/having-an-hiv-positive-partner-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-protects-gay-men-too-by-at-least-96/

    You're a Doctor and asking the mutants on here for HIV advice??? LOL Good LUCK! This is the most HIV stigmatizing group I've ever encountered. They WANT HIV undetectable people to go to jail for 25 years if they don't disclose, even if no transmission occurred...which is contrary to the Department of Justice advice.

    They will tell you to ditch your psychopathic murderous boyfriend. (He should have told you!! I agree).

    As a Doctor let me ask you, do you know of a single case of HIV transmission from an HIV Undetectable person? I've yet to find a single case mentioned....that wasn't disproved by DNA. In the US there are 250,000 HIV/undetectable people. Many for up to a decade. That's a lot of people (and sex) without a single case of HIV transmission.

    Edit, I found one case.
    http://www.intmedpress.com/servefile.cfm?suid=8be42e39-7915-4b36-929c-0f1a603e989e

    Another edit: The above was presented as the first case of HIV transmission from ART/undetectable.

    "However, the major weakness of their line of evidence
    is the lack of documentation of the negative test in the
    partner. The result is based on the patient’s recollection
    of an anonymous HIV test obtained 5 years earlier. As
    the partner already had sexual relations with the index
    case during the first weeks of ART, it is possible that the
    couple had unprotected exposure before the viral load
    was suppressed.
    The recollection of a non-documented HIV antibody
    test more than 5 years earlier is a considerable weakness
    of this report."

    http://infekt.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vernazza_2008_AntivirTher_TransmissionChase.pdf

  • frogman89

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    Jul 31, 2014 9:19 AM GMT
    You are a doctor and claim to know everything about HIV, yet you don't know it's way more unlikely to get infected by HIV/undetectable than someone whose status you don't know. It's even safer to bareback with an HIV/undetectable than having protected sex with an HIV/detectable.
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    Jul 31, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
    If everyone was honest and regularly tested, statistically it is safer to have BB sex with undetectable boy "A" than BB sex with Negative boy "B".

    How is that possible? Once you reach undetectable (under 50 copies for 6 mo.) you are tested every 3 or 4 months. If undetectable boy "A" is exposed to "C" (an HIV contagious person) he doesn't get a new virus, nor passes it on.

    If "B" is exposed to boy "C" 2 months ago "B" may go undetected. But with a very HIGH viral load. Most people test positive within a few weeks of exposure. For others, it may take a few months. Even when regularly tested "B" is vulnerable to not just getting HIV, but also spreading it, even if tested every 3 months.
    For all of you clucking Chicken Littles, the same goes for condom too. How is that???
    If "A" or "B" wear condoms and fuck....nothing happens. "A" and "C" nothing new happens. "A" is still Poz but undetectable, "C" is still contagious....but not to "A".
    Boy "B" meets boy "C" and the damn condom breaks! Not unusual with a 15% "typical" failure rate. (Higher with Gay anal sex). Boy "B" is now boy "B/C" . He goes to safe sex party where only guys with recent negative test results are admitted. He meets boy "D" a proactive militant and knows HE is responsible for HIS own body (even using condoms, but it breaks again) he DOESN'T become positive.

    Sometimes I think the best place for a Negative person IS as a sero-discordant/magnetic couple. Take at least 2 tests to confirm you haven't already been exposed. Make sure your partner is a well managed <50 copies for 6 months ("U") undetectable. Your "U" guy is actually protecting you.

    Or go on PrEP and take control of your own life. It doesn't have to be a life long thing. In a year or two there should be other medications and/or you will feel safe in your relationship.

    (Now I'm just waiting for the howling, harpy hyenas onslaught! "BAD science!" they scream. "You want to breed our Neg. boys!" They say. "Murderer, pedophile, but you're still POSITIVE asshole!" I've heard it all before from the mentally science challenged.)
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    Jul 31, 2014 10:23 PM GMT
    MikeW saidMy last partner was HIV+ (deceased now for 4+years), I'm HIV-. We had a fairly active sex life while we were together (total of about 5 years). We were versatile. When I was a bottom he never came inside me, even with a condom. We monitored his viral load. I'm not sure what more to say, just pointing out it is possible to be in a serodiscordant relationship and remain negative.

    Same here. My first partner was poz. Which he told me on the phone before we ever met.

    I had to think a while about that. But I knew I loved him very much, and with his assurance we would always have safe sex, we became partners. I was always the bottom, and I blew him, too, also with a condom. I remain negative today.

    But he died after just a few years, from a sudden opportunistic AIDS disease, PML. A brain virus which is always fatal, no cure. Nothing the doctors could do to save him, all I could do was comfort him in his last days and watch him die in front of me.

    That to me is the greatest challenge in a "serodiscordant" relationship. I can do my own risk assessment, take my own chances about infection. Rather, it's less about my health, but instead am I building a relationship on sand? In my case I was.

    So it's a tough call. Today the survival rates for HIV and even AIDS patients are remarkable, virtually indefinite in many cases. But there are still cases of AIDS deaths.

    So I dunno. I knew the chance I was taking with him. I avoided HIV myself, but he didn't avoid death, leaving me alone to grieve after him. On balance, I've told people that having had that wonderful man in my life for even that brief period was worth the loss I had to endure afterwards. But that's something only YOU can decide for yourself.
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    Aug 01, 2014 4:56 AM GMT
    So youre a doctor but didn't get tested before having unprotected sex with your partner? icon_rolleyes.gif
    But just in case youre not a troll, like someone above said: keep it safe. Use a condom ALWAYS and remember a non detectable viral load in blood doesnt mean there is not risk anymore: HIV virus is present in semen and other fluids too so you can still get infected. Google info only from official and trustable websites, or ask info in any HIV centre.

    Enjoy the relationship taking precautions but if youre still not confortable or dont want to take the risks just keep the guy as a friend.
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    Aug 01, 2014 10:35 PM GMT
    timmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.
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    metropolitan saidtimmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.



    While AIDS still exists, it's a fraction of what it used to be. Now with ART Therapy he (and you) can live a normal life span.
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    Aug 02, 2014 3:32 AM GMT
    metropolitan saidtimmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.

    And then people wonder why HIV keeps increasing among the gay community! icon_lol.gif *shrugs*
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    metropolitan saidtimmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.

    And then people wonder why HIV keeps increasing among the gay community! icon_lol.gif *shrugs*



    It was not a concern because I know we can have sex and avoid transmission. not that I wish to get the virus. This is the sort of close mindedness I was hoping to avoid in this post. Thanks for that jerk
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    metropolitan said
    David3K said
    metropolitan saidtimmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.

    And then people wonder why HIV keeps increasing among the gay community! icon_lol.gif *shrugs*

    It was not a concern because I know we can have sex and avoid transmission. not that I wish to get the virus. This is the sort of close mindedness I was hoping to avoid in this post. Thanks for that jerk

    "We did get tested before barebacking and were negative" - yet after a while he became positive.
    So considering you didn't wait for the window period to get both tested again before barebacking I can tell you know shit about avoiding transmission, which is very ignorant and sad coming from a 'doctor' -in case you are really one, which by now I highly doubt.

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    metropolitan said


    It was not a concern because I know we can have sex and avoid transmission. not that I wish to get the virus. This is the sort of close mindedness I was hoping to avoid in this post. Thanks for that jerk


    I warned you! The level of stigmatization, prejudice stupidity, and pure hatred of HIV people on RJ is amazing. David3000 (Daid3k, etc.) KevinX (Xavier etc.)....just ignore their "advice".

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    Aug 02, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    When I was in Chicago, I would typically hear of gay men in a public setting talking in such a nasty manner about other gay men with HIV (these men didn't know me or anything about me so they carried on in an unabashed manner). They would talk about HIV+ gay men in such a foul manner as if they were such dirty trash and not even worthy of being friends with.

    That attitude is so alien to me. We have poz friends, and I'm always forgetting which ones they are. Because it's simply not important to me. Being our friends is what matters, not their health status. I guess Chicago is different.

    The opposing view is that I should know who's poz, to avoid being insensitive to them. But in reality, they're cool with it, don't mention it, don't make an issue of it. So I figure I shouldn't, either. As I said, I just treat them like everyone else, to the point of forgetting who's got it and who doesn't.

    If one of them falls very sick, well then, yeah, we'll respond accordingly. But ordinarily it's not a big deal, as they themselves prefer. I guess this really isn't Chicago.
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    metropolitan said


    It was not a concern because I know we can have sex and avoid transmission. not that I wish to get the virus. This is the sort of close mindedness I was hoping to avoid in this post. Thanks for that jerk


    I warned you! The level of stigmatization, prejudice stupidity, and pure hatred of HIV people on RJ is amazing. David3000 (Daid3k, etc.) KevinX (Xavier etc.)....just ignore their "advice".



    "David3000, David3K, etc"?
    Are you stupid? I created David3K after deleting David3000.

    3K = 3000

    I'm one and always been one. Fuckin idiot.

    And my advice here was to suggest people should always get themselves and their partners tested and THEN wait for the window period to get tested again before barebacking. Are you saying people should ignore that advice?
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    Aug 03, 2014 3:17 AM GMT
    You are an idiot.

    Read a few posts back. It's clearly stated.
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    Oct 20, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
    frogman89 saidYou are a doctor and claim to know everything about HIV, yet you don't know it's way more unlikely to get infected by HIV/undetectable than someone whose status you don't know. It's even safer to bareback with an HIV/undetectable than having protected sex with an HIV/detectable.


    It's not safe frogman89 to have BB anal sex with either and I am wondering if you are a poz guy who loves BB too like Timm55. Or maybe your just fake profiles made by executives from the drug companies who manufacture these drugs. Come clean pls frogman89.
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    Oct 20, 2014 3:26 AM GMT
    timmm55 saidYou are an idiot.

    Read a few posts back. It's clearly stated.


    You need to get off this site as your the most dangerous and irresponsible guy posting on here. You claim discrimination all the time yet you never want to discuss anything that is opposed to your view.

    You resort to personal insults against people when your arguments inevitably break down. Please get some help as I respect your passion and agree with the idea of de stigmatising HIV poz guys but not at the risk of infecting everyone else.

    It wouldn't hurt for you to discuss some of the many qualifying information that has unanimously been published about your assertion that undetectable poz guys cannot transmit the disease

    You are a dangerous man and your passion would be better directed once your deal with your anger at the world
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    Oct 20, 2014 3:32 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    metropolitan saidI'm new to this so I'd like to know how others feel about this.

    My partner has been diagnose a few months ago with HIV. I'm and negative and we haven't had sex in 3 months. I'm grateful I'm negative, I though I would turn positive since his viral load was high, but I'm so lucky and he is happy for me, since he felt s guilty. We are still together as of now but that's because we haven't discussed many things yet, it's all new to us. He's been taking meds for close to two months and it seems to be working, which I'm thankful for.

    I'm a doctor, so getting infected would have meant changes in my working settings.

    I know very well about the virus, stigma, and everything around it, except for sero discordant couples. I know about PreP treatment and safe sex and low viral loads can keep me safe if we stick to it.

    But what would you do in this situation? What do you thinks is best to do?

    I want to stay with him, but I'm not sure he feels the same. He wants me in his life and to be close, but says he understand if we just continue as friends.

    It's been an emotional roller coaster for me. And for him was worse since he didnt tell me when he got diagnosed, since he felt so guilty and ashamed, which I understand and don't hold it against him. He stopped sex immediately after he found out, just didnt know how to tell me. I found his meds.

    Any way. I would like per to share their experience in this sort of case, specially other sero discordant couples .


    The worst irony would be if you got HIV from someone who "said" they were Negative. Your BF may feel a lot of pressure and guilt to keep you Negative, but cutting you loose is much more dangerous. After 6 months with a ZERO/undetectable the chances of you getting HIV are probably ZERO. Research the PARTNERS STUDY and the SWISS STUDY. In the Partner's Study 4 people came up Positive....but NOT from their partner.

    This is from March 2014. Anything older than 6 months is out of date: Scientifically and legally.
    http://www.projectinform.org/news/having-an-hiv-positive-partner-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-protects-gay-men-too-by-at-least-96/

    You're a Doctor and asking the mutants on here for HIV advice??? LOL Good LUCK! This is the most HIV stigmatizing group I've ever encountered. They WANT HIV undetectable people to go to jail for 25 years if they don't disclose, even if no transmission occurred...which is contrary to the Department of Justice advice.

    They will tell you to ditch your psychopathic murderous boyfriend. (He should have told you!! I agree).

    As a Doctor let me ask you, do you know of a single case of HIV transmission from an HIV Undetectable person? I've yet to find a single case mentioned....that wasn't disproved by DNA. In the US there are 250,000 HIV/undetectable people. Many for up to a decade. That's a lot of people (and sex) without a single case of HIV transmission.

    Edit, I found one case.
    http://www.intmedpress.com/servefile.cfm?suid=8be42e39-7915-4b36-929c-0f1a603e989e

    Another edit: The above was presented as the first case of HIV transmission from ART/undetectable.

    "However, the major weakness of their line of evidence
    is the lack of documentation of the negative test in the
    partner. The result is based on the patient’s recollection
    of an anonymous HIV test obtained 5 years earlier. As
    the partner already had sexual relations with the index
    case during the first weeks of ART, it is possible that the
    couple had unprotected exposure before the viral load
    was suppressed.
    The recollection of a non-documented HIV antibody
    test more than 5 years earlier is a considerable weakness
    of this report."

    http://infekt.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vernazza_2008_AntivirTher_TransmissionChase.pdf



    What would be ironic and given your agenda possibly justice is if you fall I'll from infection passed on by a guy with another strain of HIV that would form a superstrain. You like to cast doubt on the evidence that doesn't support you but you fall in heap and start insulting everyone when the evidence doesn't stack up against your world view
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    metropolitan saidtimmi and art thanks. I came here for advice and experiences on magnetic couples rahter than getting medical information.

    We did get tested before barebacking and were negative. I check myself every 6 months.

    frogman, there's some truth to what you say but its not as simple as that.

    I've talked to my partner and he is now more at ease, and understands that we can be in a relationships despite our status, and not be a danger for my health.

    I'm grateful for your comment art-deco, one of my main concerns was not the risk of transmission, but the risk of loosing him to aids.

    I'm grateful to have him in my life and that he is willing to continue the relationship, knowing we can be safe and happy together.


    Two things here, Metro. If you both tested negative, how did he become HIV +?
    He wasn't honest with you, and this regard that's rather dangerous to your health. The problem with the drugs is not only does it require strict adherence, but making sure the viral load is consistently below a certain point to reduce possibility of contagion. I'm unaware of any home kit that can measure viral loads, so I urge caution and recommend safer sex. Use a condom.
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    Oct 20, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
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    timmm55 said
    metropolitan saidI'm new to this so I'd like to know how others feel about this.

    My partner has been diagnose a few months ago with HIV. I'm and negative and we haven't had sex in 3 months. I'm grateful I'm negative, I though I would turn positive since his viral load was high, but I'm so lucky and he is happy for me, since he felt s guilty. We are still together as of now but that's because we haven't discussed many things yet, it's all new to us. He's been taking meds for close to two months and it seems to be working, which I'm thankful for.

    I'm a doctor, so getting infected would have meant changes in my working settings.

    I know very well about the virus, stigma, and everything around it, except for sero discordant couples. I know about PreP treatment and safe sex and low viral loads can keep me safe if we stick to it.

    But what would you do in this situation? What do you thinks is best to do?

    I want to stay with him, but I'm not sure he feels the same. He wants me in his life and to be close, but says he understand if we just continue as friends.

    It's been an emotional roller coaster for me. And for him was worse since he didnt tell me when he got diagnosed, since he felt so guilty and ashamed, which I understand and don't hold it against him. He stopped sex immediately after he found out, just didnt know how to tell me. I found his meds.

    Any way. I would like per to share their experience in this sort of case, specially other sero discordant couples .


    The worst irony would be if you got HIV from someone who "said" they were Negative. Your BF may feel a lot of pressure and guilt to keep you Negative, but cutting you loose is much more dangerous. After 6 months with a ZERO/undetectable the chances of you getting HIV are probably ZERO. Research the PARTNERS STUDY and the SWISS STUDY. In the Partner's Study 4 people came up Positive....but NOT from their partner.

    This is from March 2014. Anything older than 6 months is out of date: Scientifically and legally.
    http://www.projectinform.org/news/having-an-hiv-positive-partner-with-an-undetectable-viral-load-protects-gay-men-too-by-at-least-96/

    You're a Doctor and asking the mutants on here for HIV advice??? LOL Good LUCK! This is the most HIV stigmatizing group I've ever encountered. They WANT HIV undetectable people to go to jail for 25 years if they don't disclose, even if no transmission occurred...which is contrary to the Department of Justice advice.

    They will tell you to ditch your psychopathic murderous boyfriend. (He should have told you!! I agree).

    As a Doctor let me ask you, do you know of a single case of HIV transmission from an HIV Undetectable person? I've yet to find a single case mentioned....that wasn't disproved by DNA. In the US there are 250,000 HIV/undetectable people. Many for up to a decade. That's a lot of people (and sex) without a single case of HIV transmission.

    Edit, I found one case.
    http://www.intmedpress.com/servefile.cfm?suid=8be42e39-7915-4b36-929c-0f1a603e989e

    Another edit: The above was presented as the first case of HIV transmission from ART/undetectable.

    "However, the major weakness of their line of evidence
    is the lack of documentation of the negative test in the
    partner. The result is based on the patient’s recollection
    of an anonymous HIV test obtained 5 years earlier. As
    the partner already had sexual relations with the index
    case during the first weeks of ART, it is possible that the
    couple had unprotected exposure before the viral load
    was suppressed.
    The recollection of a non-documented HIV antibody
    test more than 5 years earlier is a considerable weakness
    of this report."

    http://infekt.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vernazza_2008_AntivirTher_TransmissionChase.pdf



    What would be ironic and given your agenda possibly justice is if you fall I'll from infection passed on by a guy with another strain of HIV that would form a superstrain. You like to cast doubt on the evidence that doesn't support you but you fall in heap and start insulting everyone when the evidence doesn't stack up against your world view


    Are you wishing that timm gets sick from a super strain?!?
    Are you fucking kidding me??

    You have consistently demonstrated you are both ignorant and a moralizing slut shamer. However wishing another member to get sick crosses any line of human decency.
    You are evil.
  • Destinharbor

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    Oct 20, 2014 9:33 PM GMT
    SidneyRugby is a moron. Ignore him.

    I also have a question that some of the answers suggested. I know HIV is pretty well controlled now and no longer a death sentence, but do guys with controlled HIV have a normal life expectancy? Do they die younger than they would have otherwise but from some other "opportunistic" issue? I've never seen this discussed anywhere. I hope because it doesn't happen.