Astrology and tarot cards. Fake or genuine?

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    Jul 31, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    We all know of these psychic charlatons who have major tv shows and con the gullible . Does anyone have any real evidence that astrology and tarot cards really work?
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    Jul 31, 2014 9:42 PM GMT
    Nope, it's bullshit. You don't see faith healers in hospitals for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery.
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    Aug 01, 2014 2:34 PM GMT
    BlakeA saidWe all know of these psychic charlatons who have major tv shows and con the gullible . Does anyone have any real evidence that astrology and tarot cards really work?


    Ever read a book? Is there any evidence that reading a book can affect someone's life ?

    Before the written word people used symbols, art, dance and mythologies to communicate human knowledge.

    If you let others think for you then sure all the systems of knowledge can and will used to control your life.
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    Aug 01, 2014 4:11 PM GMT
    It's the 21st century and we are still asking this? icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Sure and "reading" animal entrails and tea leaves will tell you the future too.
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    Aug 01, 2014 4:19 PM GMT
    I'm very skeptical but that's probably because of Saturn's influence in my third house and/or my Scorpio rising sign.
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    Aug 01, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    Determinate saidI'm very skeptical but that's probably because of Saturn's influence in my third house and/or my Scorpio rising sign.


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    Aug 01, 2014 6:07 PM GMT
    ^^^^ Now look what you've done!

    A completely serious topic has been ruined.
  • ConorJ260

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    Aug 01, 2014 6:33 PM GMT
    To be fair, the horoscopes I see are so vague that I can see why so many people think they work for them.. They're fun but soo fake haha
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    Aug 01, 2014 6:47 PM GMT
    In order to understand the concept better, you would need a science, math and or physics background. The 'reason' the workings are poo pooed by the public is because of religion and its origin. It has much to do with science vs religion (evolution vs creation argument). As is, the 'church' has demonized and sub planted in human minds that this stuff cant be real, is evil and goes against their teachings. The 'church' has suppressed this science so people are unaware of the truth, stay unaware and only believe what they are told to believe (sheep). Knowledge is power, those who wish to maintain power, suppress the knowledge for everyone else.
  • MikeW

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    Aug 01, 2014 7:09 PM GMT
    If you're going to have an intelligent conversation about things like this, you can't put it in a 'true' or 'false' dichotomy to begin with.

    As Alphq13 so accurately pointed out, what we're dealing with here are language systems that have roots that go back far beyond our contemporary era.

    But it also depends 'why' one is looking into such things and 'how' one approaches them.

    For example, if you approach it strictly from a 'belief' / 'disbelief' POV, that limits your understanding. I mean that from both points… both "believers" and "nonbelievers" are wearing blinders. "Understanding" is more complicated than just a matter of 'belief' or 'disbelief'.

    So, for example, can the future be foretold (by any means)? Obviously we can make predictions based on observations, right? The weather channel does it all day long. So do many other sciences. In fact, we know a 'theory' is more likely correct if its model accurately predicts a (future) outcome. The whole of our science is based on the ability to abstract (future) probabilities from observations of current and past events.

    The thing is "future events" can never be known precisely. There is room for argument with that statement but 'in general' it is true. For example, I can predict that in a few minutes I'm going to get up from my lap top and go to my Dr.s appointment. It is scheduled. I can predict many things about the journey there and the appointment itself. HOWEVER, no matter what I 'think' about it, there are going to be 'unpredicted' perhaps even 'unpredictable' detail variables that weren't foreseen by me. This is also true for everyone of us every day. We know (more or less) what we're going to do tomorrow. Tomorrow comes and it is (more and less) as we foresaw. But the details are always a bit different.

    But such 'ancient languages' as the Tarot and Astrology (which are related if you take them back far enough) aren't (and were never) solely about predicting 'future' events. That's just one 'take' on what they're about.

    A more contemporary 'take' is that both are like ink-blots: Rorschach tests. In other words, whatever "meaning" we derive from "random" events says something about our psychology. AND our 'psychology' says something about our predilections, our "hopes and fears" (something the Tarot looks at). Our individual psychological make ups influence our actions in the world, right? So, they influence our possible futures, right?

    My point isn't to say that these old ways of thinking are "true" and should be "believed in". I'm not saying that. I'm simply pointing out that saying they are 'true' or 'false' is a rather simplistic way of looking at them.

    The human mind makes meaning out of random events all day long and the meaning it makes out of these events sets a course for what happens next.
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    Aug 01, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    If, otherwise-intelligent, persons are willing to accept the oppressive-&-distorted, contemptuous-and-hypocritical horse*hit emanating from Rome; why then, should they not study or accept "valid" human history?
    I Suggest :
    Humanity should STOP speculating, and start researching!


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    Aug 01, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    PS

    Cosmobiologie is said to be the "Golden Key" and "The Sacred Egyptian Tarot" is correctly denoted the "Silver Key" to its interpretation.

    This is not to suggest that Spiritual Alchemy (like Speculative Masonry) should be ignored; all, are remarkably powerful.

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    Aug 02, 2014 1:24 AM GMT
    charlatans
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    Aug 02, 2014 7:35 AM GMT
    yes very much so, but it depends on the readers ability to be tune .
  • buddycat

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    Aug 02, 2014 7:41 AM GMT
    Fake
  • Breeman

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    Aug 02, 2014 11:58 AM GMT
    As far as psychics, I've heard that police detectives have used 'professional' psychics or mediums, to help with investigations. I think there may be some truth to astrology, but it's only because I like to keep an open mind.
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    Aug 02, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
    Breeman saidAs far as psychics, I've heard that police detectives have used 'professional' psychics or mediums, to help with investigations. I think there may be some truth to astrology, but it's only because I like to keep an open mind.

    As for psychics, I know a process server who was serving citations for collection lawsuits for unpaid phone bills. When he got to the "Ps" he found himself serving citations on a host of delinquent psychics. He made a game of it and would say "I have something very special for you - can you sense what it is?" None of them got it.
    Either the phone company has special connections with the Infinite, or the psychics' powers were a crock.


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    Aug 02, 2014 2:12 PM GMT
    Breeman saidAs far as psychics, I've heard that police detectives have used 'professional' psychics or mediums, to help with investigations. I think there may be some truth to astrology, but it's only because I like to keep an open mind.


    I read my horoscope but I don't take it seriously. I used to watch "Medium" with Patricia Arquette, and the show was based on real life medium Allison DuBois and she's worked with the police. Theresa Caputo talks with dead people, actually they talk to her. I've seen her show and it's fascinating how spot on she is, but some say she's a fake. I'd love to get a reading with a psychic but only if the person knew absolutely nothing about me beforehand, it would have to be completely random. On Theresa Caputo's show she'll go into a public place like a store, laundromat, or restaurant and pick up on things from people she's never met.

  • davfit

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    Aug 02, 2014 2:26 PM GMT
    Yes.. some fake ones.but then go to a good one like me and you are told your thoughts and facts without saying a word and you become believer.. Real quick
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    Aug 02, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    President Reagan's wife used an astrologer and the president apparently heeded some of her advice. If it's good enough for the First Lady it should be good enough for us.
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    Aug 02, 2014 3:56 PM GMT
    tarot cards are not supposed to predict the future, the pictures and sequences are supposed to open up things in your subconscious that lay dormant in your psyche.
  • waccamatt

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    Aug 02, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    It's all fake; if people treat it like a game then it's fine, but if they alter their life because of it, that's idiotic.
  • madsexy

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    Aug 02, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
    One break from undergrad a bunch of us went down to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. There was a tarot/psychic on the square there in the French Quarter (Jackson Sq?) who got up and came to one of my friends and said "I'm so sorry about your mother but she's at peace now and out of pain" and hugged him. His mother had died a month before after a terrible fight with cancer and he was from Washington state so nothing in common with this woman in New Orleans. It was weird and unnerving. The next day 3 of us went and found her and had her read our tarot . . . with spectacularly less dramatic results. What does that mean? I have NO idea to this day! icon_neutral.gif
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    Aug 02, 2014 8:59 PM GMT
    AlmondJoy said
    Breeman saidAs far as psychics, I've heard that police detectives have used 'professional' psychics or mediums, to help with investigations. I think there may be some truth to astrology, but it's only because I like to keep an open mind.


    I read my horoscope but I don't take it seriously. I used to watch "Medium" with Patricia Arquette, and the show was based on real life medium Allison DuBois and she's worked with the police. Theresa Caputo talks with dead people, actually they talk to her. I've seen her show and it's fascinating how spot on she is, but some say she's a fake. I'd love to get a reading with a psychic but only if the person knew absolutely nothing about me beforehand, it would have to be completely random. On Theresa Caputo's show she'll go into a public place like a store, laundromat, or restaurant and pick up on things from people she's never met.



    "Spirit" needs to show this gurl better hair and makeup tips.
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    Aug 02, 2014 9:03 PM GMT
    Someone who is FOR REAL, still has yet to claim the million dollar prize (actually, there is a list of many prizes). So, how come no one has won?


    http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

    Actually, this challenge would be the latest and greatest reality show if it were to be resurrected.