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    Aug 05, 2014 11:08 PM GMT
    Bigorexia: Addicted to a Delusion
    http://www.thefix.com/content/bigorexia-addicted-delusion

    And while you're arguing, you can look at the pretty picture. icon_biggrin.gif

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    Aug 05, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
    i wonder if people who have lifted for a long time are more susceptible to this, like maybe they get bored or feel like they are no longer progressing in some way.

    i'm starting to feel like i don't want to get much bigger and i just started lifting (sorry, ectos!). i'm going to try to get leaner though icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 06, 2014 12:48 AM GMT
    I'm definitely sure that is real and I see it on here, and through my experiences of talking with people. I too have an addiction but it's not really about how my body looks, it's what my body can do. I'm an adrenaline junkie and i'm training until the day comes that I can hang with these guys

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    Aug 06, 2014 1:02 AM GMT
    pazzy said
    tmac saidI'm definitely sure that is real and I see it on here, and through my experiences of talking with people. I too have an addiction but it's not really about how my body looks, it's what my body can do. I'm an adrenaline junkie and i'm training until the day comes that I can hang with these guys



    folks turned jackie chan's stunts into an actual sport??


    Yeah. I would love to be able to explore the world like that. They must feel so free. I'm jealous yet inspired lol
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    Aug 06, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
    This is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    There is no big wave of male body obsession disorders, and there never was.

    In fact, even the female anorexia scare was fabricated - we were led to believe that millions upon millions of young women were wasting away to nothing, dying, committing suicide, etc.

    Turns out those numbers were wildly exaggerated.
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    Aug 06, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    tmac saidI'm definitely sure that is real and I see it on here, and through my experiences of talking with people. I too have an addiction but it's not really about how my body looks, it's what my body can do. I'm an adrenaline junkie and i'm training until the day comes that I can hang with these guys



    folks turned jackie chan's stunts into an actual sport??


    RIGHT YOU ARE, KEN
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    Aug 06, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    This article made a lot of sense, especially seeing as this is a type of body dysmorphic disorder, which in itself is a form of anxiety disorder. Overall it was a good read and quite informative as well
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    Aug 06, 2014 10:22 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    There is no big wave of male body obsession disorders, and there never was.

    In fact, even the female anorexia scare was fabricated - we were led to believe that millions upon millions of young women were wasting away to nothing, dying, committing suicide, etc.

    Turns out those numbers were wildly exaggerated.


    Wait what?

    What crisis? What epidemic? What wave? None of that was mentioned or implied in the article. It's just talking about Body Dysmorphia. It's a real thing that leads several guys towards doing some really shit things to their health.

    What point are you trying to make? Did you even read the article?
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    Aug 07, 2014 5:04 AM GMT
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    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    There is no big wave of male body obsession disorders, and there never was.

    In fact, even the female anorexia scare was fabricated - we were led to believe that millions upon millions of young women were wasting away to nothing, dying, committing suicide, etc.

    Turns out those numbers were wildly exaggerated.


    Wait what?

    What crisis? What epidemic? What wave? None of that was mentioned or implied in the article. It's just talking about Body Dysmorphia. It's a real thing that leads several guys towards doing some really shit things to their health.

    What point are you trying to make? Did you even read the article?


    The "epidemic" aspect is a given among the type of people who write and read articles such as these.

    Yes, I read it - I have also read the "scientific" literature quite extensively.

    This was started in earnest by Harrison Pope about 15 years ago with The Adonis Complex.
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    Aug 07, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
    Oh I get it ... You take a legitimate article that merely acknowledges the existence of Muscle Dysmorphic Disorder ... and how there are people, both men and women, who are struggling with it ... to attempt to discredit the entire concept as a non-issue ... because you said so?

    Nowhere did the article imply that there was a crisis among men. Your point (whether legitimate or not) has nothing to do with what's being discussed.

    Unless you're trying to argue that the condition does not exist.
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    Aug 08, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
    All those muscles will only make his penis look smaller.
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    Aug 08, 2014 6:39 AM GMT
    My first reaction was also that it's non-issue. But replies from people in the thread that its real opened my eyes. People who still think its unreal, remember if you don't know about something do not assume it does not exist.

    I think photoshoped / digitally enhanced images also contribute to that pressure about unachievable looks
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    Aug 08, 2014 10:55 AM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    There is no big wave of male body obsession disorders, and there never was.

    In fact, even the female anorexia scare was fabricated - we were led to believe that millions upon millions of young women were wasting away to nothing, dying, committing suicide, etc.

    Turns out those numbers were wildly exaggerated.


    Whatever you say, Jack William Pope.

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    Aug 08, 2014 1:01 PM GMT
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    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    There is no big wave of male body obsession disorders, and there never was.

    In fact, even the female anorexia scare was fabricated - we were led to believe that millions upon millions of young women were wasting away to nothing, dying, committing suicide, etc.

    Turns out those numbers were wildly exaggerated.


    Whatever you say, Jack William Pope.

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    Aug 08, 2014 4:32 PM GMT
    From this thread
    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    From "Am I Ugly?" Phenomena on RJ, Explained
    Jack_NNJ saidAnother made-up "crisis." More bullshit filler from Pinch.

    From Left Behind: LGBT Homeless Youth Struggle to Survive on the Streets
    Jack_NNJ saidA manufactured crisis.


    He seems to like dropping the words "manufactured/made-up crisis" when they're not indicated. Almost like a sounding board, ready with sensational criticism for posts he doesn't agree with because they aren't in line with his politics...It's ironic because this is what he had to say about metta8 in another thread.

    Jack_NNJ said
    He's what Tom Wolfe would call a "Push-button liberal."


    Just keep tapping that button Jack_NNJ.
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    Aug 09, 2014 1:51 PM GMT
    go_dreaming saidOh I get it ... You take a legitimate article that merely acknowledges the existence of Muscle Dysmorphic Disorder ... and how there are people, both men and women, who are struggling with it ... to attempt to discredit the entire concept as a non-issue ... because you said so?

    Nowhere did the article imply that there was a crisis among men. Your point (whether legitimate or not) has nothing to do with what's being discussed.

    Unless you're trying to argue that the condition does not exist.


    Actually, I am arguing that the "condition" does not exist.

    The "condition" only exists in the research of certain experts.

    Yes, some men may experience problems related to body image. But to label it a "condition" or "disorder" is taking it to an absurd level.

    This article was not produced in a vacuum. My reading of it is informed by all of the literature about the subject.
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    Aug 09, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
    pazzy saidi swear... my state is the home to the most ignorant, arrogant, sorriest fucks in the nation. this jacknj tea party self hating gay guy comes from the northern part of my state. icon_sad.gif sometimes, i wonder why the fuck did my parents move out of ny or couldn't move to somewhere else that wasn't as shitty or embarrassing.


    It's too late to apologize, bitch.
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    Aug 09, 2014 1:53 PM GMT
    In any case, the OP encouraged us to argue about this. Can't you guys follow instructions?
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    Aug 09, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
    Hey Paul - I have a mate with something along those lines. I think he always had poor self-confidence but he got huge and it didn't change his self-image in the least. He managed to get his leg infected from injecting steroids. Idiot (no, he's seriously clever and wouldn't fuck up with not keeping his needle and injection site sterile so I'm thinking that his product was contaminated).
    Steroids have a massive influence on mental health so I think the might be some sort of negative feedback effects going on in addition to whatever baggage people start out with.

    Diffused goals might also be a problem. People compare themselves to how they looked a second ago, a day ago. Obviously, they are not going to be much different.
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    Aug 09, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidIn any case, the OP encouraged us to argue about this. Can't you guys follow instructions?


    If you were really interested in debating the subject matter, you would have made your position more clear. Instead you chose your "push button" approach as I pointed out, completely missing the discussion based on the information provided in the article. You're either a pathetic troll with nothing better to do, or you are so blinded by your outrage of RJ's politics that every post you make is knee-jerk liberal shaming.

    As for whether the condition exists, a quick Google search for Body Dysmorphic Disorder gives several examples of how well recognized the condition is. Not only does it show up in the list of treated illnesses for several organizations and mental health professionals, but it's also recognized in the ICD-10 and DSM-V.

    It's also not that unreasonable to believe. As someone who has dealt with depression and anxiety disorders, it's easy for someone like myself to understand at what point it becomes a disorder. If the thoughts of a negative body image become intrusive, to the point where it affects unrelated aspects of your life, (social life, professional life, self-esteem and personal relationships) then it's a disorder. It does NOT mean that every person who feels some sort of insecurity about their body has a condition. People can still be high-functioning while feeling unattractive. But when it becomes obsessive, one's top priority over maintaining proper health and stable relationships with family and friends, it's a disorder.
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    Aug 09, 2014 6:15 PM GMT
    go_dreaming saidFrom this thread
    Jack_NNJ saidThis is a bogus "crisis," a manufactured "epidemic."

    From "Am I Ugly?" Phenomena on RJ, Explained
    Jack_NNJ saidAnother made-up "crisis." More bullshit filler from Pinch.

    From Left Behind: LGBT Homeless Youth Struggle to Survive on the Streets
    Jack_NNJ saidA manufactured crisis.


    He seems to like dropping the words "manufactured/made-up crisis" when they're not indicated. Almost like a sounding board, ready with sensational criticism for posts he doesn't agree with because they aren't in line with his politics...It's ironic because this is what he had to say about metta8 in another thread.

    Jack_NNJ said
    He's what Tom Wolfe would call a "Push-button liberal."


    Just keep tapping that button Jack_NNJ.


    Lololololol good job! Now that is some relevant research!

    Gotta find some new key talking points jack.