16 States Making Voting Easier, 15 Harder

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    Aug 12, 2014 2:23 AM GMT
    NYT: The list, compiled by the Brennan Center for Justice, includes these states:

    • Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Virginia and West Virginia. They created online registration systems, a big improvement over unreliable and inconvenient paper systems.

    • Colorado and Louisiana. They will allow 16- and 17-year-olds to preregister when they apply for a driver’s license. Colorado also added Election Day registration, and it is encouraging mail-in voting without an absentee excuse.

    • Maryland. It will allow same-day registration during early voting, which was expanded from six to eight days.

    • Delaware. It will allow most felons to vote immediately after completing their sentences.

    The 15 states with new restrictions: http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/state-voting-2014

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/12/opinion/where-voting-is-now-easier.html?ref=opinion&assetType=opinion
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    Aug 12, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
    voter fraud is none existent so why not open up the situation to get a better turn out?
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    Aug 12, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
    VOTING IS HARD

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-25641801

    Additionally, here are some Caucasian nations which require ID to vote:

    Canada
    Switzerland
    France (LMAO)
    Germany
    Netherlands

    Just show a damn ID. Is it so difficult?
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    Aug 12, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidVOTING IS HARD

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-25641801

    Additionally, here are some Caucasian nations which require ID to vote:

    Canada
    Switzerland
    France (LMAO)
    Germany
    Netherlands

    Just show a damn ID. Is it so difficult?


    When you're trying to vote illegally, yes.

    Kudos to those states who require it, when registering and when voting, unless when doing so by mail.
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    Can't have them niggers n meksikins votin'
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    Aug 12, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
    we dont have to show any ID at all to vote here, I guess we trust eacxh other. Also, the politicians aren't involved in proposing new constituency boundaries, but can comment on proposals that the commission makes.
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    Aug 12, 2014 11:29 PM GMT
    seafrontbloke saidwe dont have to show any ID at all to vote here, I guess we trust eacxh other. Also, the politicians aren't involved in proposing new constituency boundaries, but can comment on proposals that the commission makes.


    So the French don't trust one another, but the Brits do? I guess I can see that.
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    Aug 12, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN saidCan't have them niggers n meksikins votin'


    Well, the Mekskins won't have a problem, because they are already accustomed to showing ID to vote.
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    Aug 13, 2014 2:44 PM GMT
    I have always had to show a photo ID to vote. You need to show a photo ID for many other things. Why not voting? Hell, lets do away with photo driver's licenses. I mean why make it so difficult for people to drive? You have to go to the DMV, wait in line, fill out forms, have your PICTURE taken, wait for it to develop,and then carry it with you when you drive. What an inconvenience! If you get in an accident we will just trust you to provide the correct information and vouch for yourself that you are who you say you are.
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    Aug 13, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    GOP Makes Easier to Own Guns But Harder to Vote, Both Constitutional Rights

    Photo identification is one restriction. But other restrictions are much more prevalent as opined by the NYT: These restrictions include cutbacks on early voting, which have taken place in eight states since 2011. One of the most pernicious ways to limit voting is to make it harder to register, as 10 states have done. Some limit voter registration drives, while others require documentary proof of citizenship, which many American citizens lack.

    In all cases, these restrictions will make it harder for minorities and the poor to vote, which is the point, since proponents of such laws are trying to reduce the turnout of probable Democratic voters.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/12/opinion/where-voting-is-now-easier.html?ref=opinion&assetType=opinion
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    Aug 13, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidGOP Makes Easier to Own Guns But Harder to Vote, Both Constitutional Rights

    Photo identification is one restriction. But other restrictions are much more prevalent as opined by the NYT: These restrictions include cutbacks on early voting, which have taken place in eight states since 2011. One of the most pernicious ways to limit voting is to make it harder to register, as 10 states have done. Some limit voter registration drives, while others require documentary proof of citizenship, which many American citizens lack.

    In all cases, these restrictions will make it harder for minorities and the poor to vote, which is the point, since proponents of such laws are trying to reduce the turnout of probable Democratic voters.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/12/opinion/where-voting-is-now-easier.html?ref=opinion&assetType=opinion


    The article mentions nothing about guns or republicans making it easier to buy such. That's an editorial construct by woodsman.

    The article mentions, but does not document the states that require proof of citizenship -- I wish it had done that.

    ID is required for purchasing beer and cigarettes at the local convenience store. The poor and minorities seem to navigate that obstacle pretty well. I don't see why standards should be lower for voting.
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Aug 13, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    …regulations that prevent hundreds of thousands of US citizens nationwide from voting (largely the poor, minorities, and students, who typically vote Democtatic), while preventing a handful of voter fraud attempts. That's what the data shows. Yet ideologues are not influenced by data, evidence, and reason.
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    Aug 13, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn said
    woodsmen said
    ID is required for purchasing beer and cigarettes at the local convenience store. The poor and minorities seem to navigate that obstacle pretty well. I don't see why standards should be lower for voting.


    I haven't been asked for ID to purchase beer in 20 years, and have never even thought of buying cigarettes.
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    Aug 13, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI have always had to show a photo ID to vote. You need to show a photo ID for many other things. Why not voting? Hell, lets do away with photo driver's licenses. I mean why make it so difficult for people to drive? You have to go to the DMV, wait in line, fill out forms, have your PICTURE taken, wait for it to develop,and then carry it with you when you drive. What an inconvenience! If you get in an accident we will just trust you to provide the correct information and vouch for yourself that you are who you say you are.


    The difference is that driving is a privilege, not a right. The Constitution says nothing about driving a horse drawn carriage or a car. It says plenty about voting.
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    Aug 13, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist said
    UndercoverMan saidI have always had to show a photo ID to vote. You need to show a photo ID for many other things. Why not voting? Hell, lets do away with photo driver's licenses. I mean why make it so difficult for people to drive? You have to go to the DMV, wait in line, fill out forms, have your PICTURE taken, wait for it to develop,and then carry it with you when you drive. What an inconvenience! If you get in an accident we will just trust you to provide the correct information and vouch for yourself that you are who you say you are.


    The difference is that driving is a privilege, not a right. The Constitution says nothing about driving a horse drawn carriage or a car. It says plenty about voting.


    Just because voting is a right that doesn't mean it should be unfettered. It isn't an inalienable right.
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    Aug 13, 2014 11:42 PM GMT
    Voting isn't "unfettered" in the US. One has to be a US citizen and 18 years old or older. Those are the only fetters placed on voting by the US constitution.
    It's important during this debate not to lose sight of the fact that voter fraud is a problem in the US only in the minds of those (almost always Republicans) who want to make voting difficult for minorities, the poor, and students (disproportionally Democrats). I follow this debate, and my understanding is there is no meaningful voting fraud in the US. If there are studies or news reports of it, please bring them to my/our attention.
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    Aug 13, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
    1 Billion Votes Cast in 14 Years, Only 31 Fraud

    NYT: There have been more than 1 billion votes cast in elections over the last 14 years. And just 31 cases of impersonation fraud. Is this substantial evidence of voter impersonation to prevent Blacks, poor, students, and elderly to vote?

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/proof-that-voter-impersonation-almost-never-happens/
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    Aug 14, 2014 12:19 AM GMT
    So there.
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:10 AM GMT
    From http://ballotpedia.org/Dead_people_voting

    Some recent examples of elections in which actual fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people include a 2005 state senate election in Tennessee that was decided by fewer than 20 votes; in this case, a post-election verification process established that two fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people. Three election workers were indicted, and the results of the election were voided. The mayoral election in Miami in 1997 was nullified by a judge because of widespread fraud, including a number of established cases of fraudulent votes cast in the name of dead people. Election inspectors looking at the 1982 gubernatorial election in Illinois estimated that as many as 1 in 10 ballots cast during the election were fraudulent, including votes by the dead.[1]

    When the Poughkeepsie Journal in New York did a 2006 analysis of how names of deceased people were still on New York's official list of registered voters, it conducted the assessment by matching "the names, dates of birth and ZIP codes of all listed voters in New York's database of 11.7 million voter registration records against the same information in the Social Security Administration's "Death Master File," a database of 77 million records of deaths dating to 1937." That study resulted in a final estimate of as many as 77,000 dead people on its rolls, and that as many as 2,600 of them had cast votes from the grave.[1]

    Voter fraud happens. 1 in 10 votes being fraudulent is nothing to sneeze at. Requiring a photo ID to vote is not a great inconvenience.