Older guys and abs

  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 12, 2014 4:06 PM GMT
    I know that diet is what creates abs, but if that is so, what's the point of exercising abs? But my question is, and this sounds stupid, I know, as you get older, does gravity pull your organs down? Can toned abs keep your stomach in and the organs up in place? Or is it just a matter of increased fat surrounding your organs, which I know increases as you age (the reason body fat measurements are calibrated for age)?
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    Aug 12, 2014 4:24 PM GMT
    I believe it's increased fat and the skin becoming a bit more loose. Diet doesn't solely create abs, it simply SHOWS them. Exercising abs make them grow much like any more muscle. You can have a great diet and be below a certain bf% to show abs, but then again that's just "skinny abs" and they won't be as defined and large.

    Hope that makes sense.
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    Aug 12, 2014 4:34 PM GMT
    As we age what shifts generally and likely with gravity is the subcutaneous layer of fat (as differentiated from the visceral), thus the changes to our faces and I even notice it in my feet. Most of my life was in water and on boats so I've spent very little time in shoes and only now has walking barefoot become somewhat uncomfortable because I've lost the fat in my feet. And I hate wearing shoes so this kind of sucks.

    As an older person once said to me at the gym: Oh I've a six pack, it's under this layer of lasagna.
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:07 PM GMT
    JumpMan_Josh saidI believe it's increased fat and the skin becoming a bit more loose. Diet doesn't solely create abs, it simply SHOWS them. Exercising abs make them grow much like any more muscle. You can have a great diet and be below a certain bf% to show abs, but then again that's just "skinny abs" and they won't be as defined and large.

    Hope that makes sense.


    that's basically what i keep reading. i hope to know for sure in a few months icon_smile.gif
  • jjguy05

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    Aug 12, 2014 5:48 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidI know that diet is what creates abs, but if that is so, what's the point of exercising abs? But my question is, and this sounds stupid, I know, as you get older, does gravity pull your organs down? Can toned abs keep your stomach in and the organs up in place? Or is it just a matter of increased fat surrounding your organs, which I know increases as you age (the reason body fat measurements are calibrated for age)?


    Your skin keeps growing as you get older, this is a known fact. But men that lift are able to fill that excess skin with muscle mass well into their 50s and even early 60s. Just something I've noticed. And once again, the importance of lifting. Screw jogging, screw everything else. Lifting (and eating to maintain high muscle mass) is the best physical activity for men. Period.

    As for the abs specifically, don't be one of those scary older guys that has a set of abs and nothing else. Be a well-rounded great-looking older guy, with chest, shoulders, back, arms, the works. And a bit of bodyfat (around 12-15%) looks great on older men. You don't need the 6-pack to show when the overall body is well-developed.
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 12, 2014 5:49 PM GMT
    abs are overrated.. go biceps and pex!
    [i''m just envy]
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:50 PM GMT
    I was thinking of having that lower roll of loose skin surgically made into a pouch. It should be just about right to hold a cell phone icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    Metabolism slows down when you get old.
  • jjguy05

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    Aug 12, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    Ashdod saidabs are overrated.. go biceps and pex!
    [i''m just envy]


    Totally agree. Abs are great, but pecs, biceps, and definitely don't forget back, shoulders, and triceps...these are all better.
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    jjguy05 said
    Ashdod saidabs are overrated.. go biceps and pex!
    [i''m just envy]


    Totally agree. Abs are great, but pecs, biceps, and definitely don't forget back, shoulders, and triceps...these are all better.


    Says the guy with abs.
  • jjguy05

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    Aug 12, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    ^^ What's your point? I have chest, arms, traps, back, I have the more important things, don't I?
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    Aug 12, 2014 5:55 PM GMT
    jjguy05 said^^ What's your point? I have chest, arms, traps, back, I have the more important things, don't I?



    lol I was joking.
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 12, 2014 6:06 PM GMT
    jjguy05 said^^ What's your point? I have chest, arms, traps, back, I have the more important things, don't I?



    In my eyes,you have it all icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 12, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
    Ashdod said
    jjguy05 said^^ What's your point? I have chest, arms, traps, back, I have the more important things, don't I?



    In my eyes,you have it all icon_razz.gif



    You too. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 12, 2014 6:30 PM GMT
    MMMmmm… for some reason you guys make me feel old. Yes I do some cycling and weights. I have also found that grinding flax seed and having it on my oatmeal every morning keeps the skin elastic. My best ab exercise is alternate single leg raises using a high bar, the AbOriginal slings and ankle weights. just started doing that and it's a lot easier on my mid back. It also tends to divide your abs and even them out. A friend wants to do a photo shoot of me next month. So, maybe check for pics then.

    Doing things the right way and with the right building blocks can actually negate the aging process at least for awhile. Change your lifestyle for the better and it will all come.
  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 12, 2014 6:41 PM GMT
    So it sounds like I can get and keep my stomach flat through diet and reasonable BFP. Exercise will give them more definition but is not necessary for a flat stomach. I know core work is good for lots of reasons but flat is my main issue. I hate ab work (who doesn't?). On the other hand, chest, shoulders, back and arms I enjoy.
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    Aug 12, 2014 6:47 PM GMT
    jjguy05 saidYour skin keeps growing as you get older, this is a known fact. But men that lift are able to fill that excess skin with muscle mass well into their 50s and even early 60s. Just something I've noticed. And once again, the importance of lifting. Screw jogging, screw everything else. Lifting (and eating to maintain high muscle mass) is the best physical activity for men. Period.

    As for the abs specifically, don't be one of those scary older guys that has a set of abs and nothing else. Be a well-rounded great-looking older guy, with chest, shoulders, back, arms, the works. And a bit of bodyfat (around 12-15%) looks great on older men. You don't need the 6-pack to show when the overall body is well-developed.


    I've never heard anything about skin that keeps growing, but for maybe psoriasis, and lifting alone doesn't cut it. One of the major issues of aging is balance, especially not just for the older but the elderly. Because once you start falling you can kiss your ass goodbye. So besides for aerobic benefit, we also have to be concerned with maintaining proprioception (our sense of place in space) and balance.

    I'm just now back from my swim and I think that's one of the best things an older person can do as it hits all the minor muscles as well as major ones. So in one activity you get resistance, stretching, aerobics, balance and you feel your entire body moving through the space. Plus it's low impact.

    I think you are absolutely on target about older guys maintaining a higher body fat content, which is why I'm sitting here spooning my ice cream haha after having done my laps, ooops, did I admit that in public? It's Haagen Das, delicious. Fuck showing abs. I had them when younger. I doubt they're gonna get me dates now.

    One of my main issues with maintaining a higher body fat percentage in aging is how a lower body fat content hollows out the face. Personal preference but I just think a fuller face looks better, especially on an older guy.
  • Kwokpot

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    Aug 12, 2014 6:59 PM GMT
    I was surprised that I was able to lower my BF down to a level that I can see my abs - never had visible abs in my life! Clean eating and a dedicated routine of strength training and cardio(I use a HR monitor to make sure I'm hitting certain HR % when doing cardio) Who would have thought I'd have visible abs @ 52!

    While I thought about taking it to the next level and increase mass, I think as one gets older the work and food intake to achieve a 'certain look' becomes too much, and can too easily become bloat and FAT. I'm actually quite happy at fitness level that I'm at, and I'm actually slowly increasing muscle mass and decreasing BF%. I can see the results; my weight has pretty much stayed the same, but my muscular definition has increased, and my clothes don't fit the same due to the lower BF. It's noticeable around my waist, my pants are much looser, yet my shirts are tighter, especially around the arms and shoulders.
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    Aug 12, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidI know that diet is what creates abs, but if that is so, what's the point of exercising abs? But my question is, and this sounds stupid, I know, as you get older, does gravity pull your organs down? Can toned abs keep your stomach in and the organs up in place? Or is it just a matter of increased fat surrounding your organs, which I know increases as you age (the reason body fat measurements are calibrated for age)?



    It's a combination of losing the mid section fat and building and toning the abdominal muscles. My trainer taught that all training should start at the core. It's also the traditional Japanese belief that health radiates from the Hara
    ( tanden ) . It certainly turned things around for me. So many guys my age complain of back aches but it's really a muscle / weight imbalance .
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    Aug 12, 2014 7:10 PM GMT
    It is good to get any type of exercise as you get older. Use it or lose it. The less activity the more sluggish and inactive you will become over time.

    Depending on your diet and exercise you will likely have prediabetes or Type 2 diabetes as you get older. Being overweight or becoming obese increases the likelihood. 50-60% of older adults will have this.

    The abdominal fat is linked to the development of diabetes, heart and kidney complications in people. Abdominal muscles can also strengthen the back. So if you have the ability to live a more active lifestyle enjoy it while you can.icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 12, 2014 8:01 PM GMT
    I like natural body resistance exercises and some light jogging and hiking.

    Eating right is the KEY! If you want to bulk up, do the free weights, eat more protein and get your sleep.

    Just keep an eye out when you slow down on your training and are used to eating a lot. That's what tends to get you bogged down and ultimately will turn into body fat. CALORIES will need to be controlled.

    SKIN....Drink water and take collagen and your elasticity will firm up properly for your muscles and frame.

    Keep active and skin tightens up. I read a big article a wile back how it suggested that moderate activity can reverse aging, loose skin and wrinkles!!!

    OH...Take your OMEGA OILS TOO!!!

    You might look like him.....
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  • Destinharbor

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    Aug 12, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    2bnaked saidI like natural body resistance exercises and some light jogging and hiking.

    Eating right is the KEY! If you want to bulk up, do the free weights, eat more protein and get your sleep.

    Just keep an eye out when you slow down on your training and are used to eating a lot. That's what tends to get you bogged down and ultimately will turn into body fat. CALORIES will need to be controlled.

    SKIN....Drink water and take collagen and your elasticity will firm up properly for your muscles and frame.

    Keep active and skin tightens up. I read a big article a wile back how it suggested that moderate activity can reverse aging, loose skin and wrinkles!!!

    OH...Take your OMEGA OILS TOO!!!

    You might look like him.....
    tumblr_na7m90LE781qlj1c3o1_500.jpg

    Can I skip all that and just eat him^^^^?
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    Aug 12, 2014 9:03 PM GMT
    ^^^^^Great advice above me here. Additionally - what I do is what they taught us in my H2o-polo playing years:

    *Hanging leg raises - 4 sets, 25 reps each.

    *"V" crunches - 4 sets of 10 reps.

    *Sit-ups on the ball - 100 reps.

    I also run, but only about 1/2 hour, 5 times weekly.

    If I could lay off carbs (French bread & pasta) I'd have my six, or even my eight pack back.......but I'm just not willing (motivated) to deny myself. Lazy I guess!

  • Aug 12, 2014 9:06 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidI was thinking of having that lower roll of loose skin surgically made into a pouch. It should be just about right to hold a cell phone icon_rolleyes.gif


    Or a baby kangaroo.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 12, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    We are talking about the topic, "The importance of fitness in aging" again this new season on my weekly webradio program, "Spirit of Fitness" and I'll be interviewing a trainer on this sort of topic.

    My impression is you have to work a little harder to maintain good vitality with your exercise and health as you get older, a six pack can be a challenge at any age, but probably ever more so as one gets into their 40's and beyond. I've always been very lucky as a twenty something and now in my 40's to make it look pretty effortless (which it isn't, but I love it).