No Illegal Hispanics, GOP Adopts Tea Party's Stance

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    Aug 13, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
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    Representatives Steve King and Michele Bachmann.

    NYT: On Capitol Hill, the Tea Party wing continues to drive the GOP's agenda. With Democrats united in opposition and Republicans divided, during a boisterous, closed-door meeting, mainstream Republicans vented their anger at immigration hard-liners, accusing them of scuttling the leadership’s bills just because they could.

    Regardless, GOP's political damage was done. Complexities of immigration law that slip by most of the American news media remain front and center on Spanish television, where news figures such as Jorge Ramos advocate immigration overhaul positions, he said.

    Just days after helping write the House’s only immigration policy bill of the year, the Tea Party made waves again when they spoke of a “war on whites that’s being launched by the Democratic Party” to the conservative radio show host Laura Ingraham. Mr. Steve King was caught on tape grabbing the arm of a young immigrant who grew up in Arizona and was granted legal status by the president’s order. “You’re very good at English, you know what I’m saying?” he told the immigrant, a graduate of Arizona State University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/us/politics/immigration-house-republicans-tea-party.html
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    Aug 13, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    I'm dead set against illegal immigration no matter where the person comes from. I think I know many but I'm not sure because of the DADT policy they have. But I do know these people are seeking a better life for themselves and their families which unscrupulous employers exploit to their own monetary gain. These illegals are not paid a fair wage, they are cheated out of pay, they are made to work long hours without being paid time and a half for any work over forty hours, not given holiday pay, are usually working 6 or 7 days a week, and I'm sure I'm leaving out many other abuses. And they have no recourse but to take it because as an illegal they can't complain without risk of being deported.

    It's basically modern day slavery and the Democrats and liberals are shamefully endorsing it because they want the future voters and to appear caring and Republicans and conservatives are being labeled heartless meanies.
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    UndercoverMan saidI'm dead set against illegal immigration no matter where the person comes from. I think I know many but I'm not sure because of the DADT policy they have. But I do know these people are seeking a better life for themselves and their families which unscrupulous employers exploit to their own monetary gain. These illegals are not paid a fair wage, they are cheated out of pay, they are made to work long hours without being paid time and a half for any work over forty hours, not given holiday pay, are usually working 6 or 7 days a week, and I'm sure I'm leaving out many other abuses. And they have no recourse but to take it because as an illegal they can't complain without risk of being deported.

    It's basically modern day slavery and the Democrats and liberals are shamefully endorsing it because they want the future voters and to appear caring and Republicans and conservatives are being labeled heartless meanies.


    If I'm not mistaken, I believe the last president who proposed and granted full amnesty to undocumented aliens was that well known Democrat and liberal, Ronald Reagan.

    Is it the message you don't like or the fact that today's messenger has a little more skin melanin than Ronnie?
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    Aug 13, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
    I don't like amnesty programs no matter who does it. It's basically an admission that the government hasn't been doing its job and has let a situation get so out of hand that they just throw their hands up and admit defeat. Then we find ourselves in the same predicament down the line because it is expected that we will do the same in future again and again and again.

    I assume you don't have a problem with anything else I posted since you didn't bother to comment on it.

    Lastly, I am neither a fan of the Democrats or Republicans. They are both self serving and neither is overly concerned about the people of this country, just power and preserving their own.
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    Aug 13, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    I thought the statue of liberty said "everyone welcome" especially the poor and storm tossed. Seems to be easier than spending on all the money on pretending to have a border.
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    UndercoverMan saidI don't like amnesty programs no matter who does it. It's basically an admission that the government hasn't been doing its job and has let a situation get so out of hand that they just throw their hands up and admit defeat. Then we find ourselves in the same predicament down the line because it is expected that we will do the same in future again and again and again.

    I assume you don't have a problem with anything else I posted since you didn't bother to comment on it.

    Lastly, I am neither a fan of the Democrats or Republicans. They are both self serving and neither is overly concerned about the people of this country, just power and preserving their own.


    Then why do you specifically call out the 'Democrats and liberals' in your earlier post. Illegal immigration is a very complicated matter with several factors playing a role. To fingerpoint one party or group is not constructively addressing the problem and certainly not offering anything approaching a solution.
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    Aug 13, 2014 11:25 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    It's basically modern day slavery and the Democrats and liberals are shamefully endorsing it because they want the future voters and to appear caring and Republicans and conservatives are being labeled heartless meanies.


    Bull shit! I was offered a job two years ago by a conservative to supervise illegal immigrant workers working for his company.
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    Aug 13, 2014 11:28 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI don't like amnesty programs no matter who does it. It's basically an admission that the government hasn't been doing its job and has let a situation get so out of hand that they just throw their hands up and admit defeat. Then we find ourselves in the same predicament down the line because it is expected that we will do the same in future again and again and again.


    Umm, the issue exists because the government hasn't been doing its job already - and without amnesty.
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    Aug 13, 2014 11:29 PM GMT
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    Then why do you specifically call out the 'Democrats and liberals' in your earlier post. Illegal immigration is a very complicated matter with several factors playing a role. To fingerpoint one party or group is not constructively addressing the problem and certainly not offering anything approaching a solution.


    Exactly, and the only thing that will work is a compromise solution. There is no hard-line solution.
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    UndercoverMan saidI'm dead set against illegal immigration no matter where the person comes from. I think I know many but I'm not sure because of the DADT policy they have. But I do know these people are seeking a better life for themselves and their families which unscrupulous employers exploit to their own monetary gain. These illegals are not paid a fair wage, they are cheated out of pay, they are made to work long hours without being paid time and a half for any work over forty hours, not given holiday pay, are usually working 6 or 7 days a week, and I'm sure I'm leaving out many other abuses. And they have no recourse but to take it because as an illegal they can't complain without risk of being deported.

    It's basically modern day slavery and the Democrats and liberals are shamefully endorsing it because they want the future voters and to appear caring and Republicans and conservatives are being labeled heartless meanies.


    If I'm not mistaken, I believe the last president who proposed and granted full amnesty to undocumented aliens was that well known Democrat and liberal, Ronald Reagan.

    Is it the message you don't like or the fact that today's messenger has a little more skin melanin than Ronnie?


    You're correct, but like so many who conflate legal and illegal immigration in hopes of making our immigration laws even more permissive - as well as fattening Democratic voter registration rolls - you state only the half truth. President Reagan - you know, the man who won the Cold War - later stated he regretted his grant of amnesty, which like every one before it, proved only to increase illegal immigration. If he had lived to see the effects of his mistaken judgment, he'd have regretted it even more. Next time you post, tell the whole truth, and nothing but, eh?
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:27 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidI don't like amnesty programs no matter who does it. It's basically an admission that the government hasn't been doing its job and has let a situation get so out of hand that they just throw their hands up and admit defeat. Then we find ourselves in the same predicament down the line because it is expected that we will do the same in future again and again and again.


    Umm, the issue exists because the government hasn't been doing its job already - and without amnesty.


    EXACTLY. What's your point?
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:33 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    coolarmydude said
    UndercoverMan saidI don't like amnesty programs no matter who does it. It's basically an admission that the government hasn't been doing its job and has let a situation get so out of hand that they just throw their hands up and admit defeat. Then we find ourselves in the same predicament down the line because it is expected that we will do the same in future again and again and again.


    Umm, the issue exists because the government hasn't been doing its job already - and without amnesty.


    EXACTLY. What's your point?
    The point is President Obama has sent more illegals back then Bush ever did...If memory serves me right, Bush loosened the immigration laws so his rich farmer friends would have access to dirt cheap labor...Just sit down and shut up Asshat.
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:34 AM GMT
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    ...as well as fattening Democratic voter registration rolls...

    Ah, well there we have it, don't we? Legal US immigrants who become citizens are likely to vote as Democrats. Therefore, Republicans want to block all immigrants, legal or otherwise.

    Problem is, the demographics are shifting against Republicans anyway, with or without immigrants. Hence their desperate attempts at voter redistricting (gerrymandering), and voting restrictions.

    That may work for a few years, but eventually the numbers will crush you guys. And then Democrats will get to do the redistricting. And you won't see but a handful of Republican national office holders for the remainder of your life. What goes around comes around.
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:35 AM GMT
    Texas GOP Spent Half Billion on Border, Now Asks Federal Government to Pay

    NYT: Texas has spent $500 million on border security since 2005. No other state that shares a border with Mexico — California, Arizona and New Mexico — has made a comparable investment of money and personnel. And no other state has a Border Security Operations Center, which Texas opened in Austin to analyze, map and share border-related intelligence with local, state and federal agencies.

    The $500 million Texas has spent on border-security comes with a caveat. Last month, Mr. Perry told a Congressional committee that Texas should be reimbursed by the federal government for the half a billion dollars it has spent securing the border.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/texas-is-accused-of-overreaching-and-overspending-to-police-border.html?_r=0
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:42 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidTexas GOP Spent Half Billion on Border, Now Asks Federal Government to Pay

    NYT: Texas has spent $500 million on border security since 2005. No other state that shares a border with Mexico — California, Arizona and New Mexico — has made a comparable investment of money and personnel. And no other state has a Border Security Operations Center, which Texas opened in Austin to analyze, map and share border-related intelligence with local, state and federal agencies.

    The $500 million Texas has spent on border-security comes with a caveat. Last month, Mr. Perry told a Congressional committee that Texas should be reimbursed by the federal government for the half a billion dollars it has spent securing the border.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/07/us/texas-is-accused-of-overreaching-and-overspending-to-police-border.html?_r=0
    Perry used it as a political ploy to get attention from the conservative base...When democrats want to spend money to insure due process for Latin children, it's welfare. When Perry spends our tax money to make political points, it's border security.
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    Aug 14, 2014 4:19 AM GMT
    The interesting fact is that we are not talking about Immigration policy in this country. Each party blames for the mistakes of the current situation, but we really have no national policy to discuss the hard issues. It is easier to disguise the nation that we are aiming toward a policy when each political party is blaming each other to distract us from the real issues.

    We do not see either party coming out and speaking intelligently of these issues:

    How to deal with undocumented illegals in humane and justifiable way?

    How to better strengthen our national treaties with other nations to deport illegal immigrants, What incentives can we give other nations?

    How to help and strengthen the economies and security of our neighbors in Central, and Latin America, including Mexico so that leaving these regions is not as attractive as going to the United States?

    How to protect our borders because is of national interest from other groups or terrorists that might want to take advantage of the situation?

    How to use our current laws and enacted them?

    How to provide emergency health care to illegals when they flood our emergency rooms and each State and County ends pay the bill and yet to stop the taxpayer from paying the bill and skyrocketing insurance premiums and rising health care costs?

    One idea that I have an will not fix all issues, is increase the Visa fee requirements of entry into the USA. Currently, the fee is $160.00, increase the fee to $300.00 for each person wanting to come to the US. The additional $140.00 per person, will be protected in a budgetary committee that neither party (Republican, Democrat, Tea Party, etc.) could use for no other purpose for Immigration issue. The fee will be marked for medical, or other needs that each of the States would need to combat some areas of immigration. Border states could be granted an additional shares of the monies collected for there needs. For example, let's say un undocumented person falls injured in a hospital, the fee would cover just humane medical treatment for stabilization, and transportation back to the illegal nation.

    Just want to add to the conversation.





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    Aug 14, 2014 5:43 AM GMT
    I'm sure the government has some population goals somewhere based on some half-ass "economic model" written by Harvard jerkoffs like Krugman lol
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    UndercoverMan saidI'm dead set against illegal immigration no matter where the person comes from. I think I know many but I'm not sure because of the DADT policy they have. But I do know these people are seeking a better life for themselves and their families which unscrupulous employers exploit to their own monetary gain. These illegals are not paid a fair wage, they are cheated out of pay, they are made to work long hours without being paid time and a half for any work over forty hours, not given holiday pay, are usually working 6 or 7 days a week, and I'm sure I'm leaving out many other abuses. And they have no recourse but to take it because as an illegal they can't complain without risk of being deported.

    It's basically modern day slavery and the Democrats and liberals are shamefully endorsing it because they want the future voters and to appear caring and Republicans and conservatives are being labeled heartless meanies.


    If I'm not mistaken, I believe the last president who proposed and granted full amnesty to undocumented aliens was that well known Democrat and liberal, Ronald Reagan.

    Is it the message you don't like or the fact that today's messenger has a little more skin melanin than Ronnie?


    You're correct, but like so many who conflate legal and illegal immigration in hopes of making our immigration laws even more permissive - as well as fattening Democratic voter registration rolls - you state only the half truth. President Reagan - you know, the man who won the Cold War - later stated he regretted his grant of amnesty, which like every one before it, proved only to increase illegal immigration. If he had lived to see the effects of his mistaken judgment, he'd have regretted it even more. Next time you post, tell the whole truth, and nothing but, eh?


    Excuse me? I did say the whole truth. He did grant amnesty. Period. Whether he allegedly regretted it or nor doesn't change the fact that he DID IT. That's the whole truth. Sorry if you don't like reality.

    Here are a couple of other truths about Your Saint Ronald of Hollywood.
    1) he raised taxes 9 times
    2) he never said AIDS in public until 1987

    Oh and incidentally, I would give a helluva lot more credit to Lech Walesa, the Gdansk Shipworkers union and pope JP for ending the Cold War than to Bonzo's co-star
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI'm sure the government has some population goals somewhere based on some half-ass "economic model" written by Harvard jerkoffs like Krugman lol


    WTF?
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    Aug 15, 2014 4:35 AM GMT
    The Times is really going apeshit lately, more than usual.
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    Aug 15, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
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    tj85016 saidI'm sure the government has some population goals somewhere based on some half-ass "economic model" written by Harvard jerkoffs like Krugman lol


    WTF?


    Well it is true. Maybe not the population model thingy, but Krug (aka Professor Dickweed) is indeed a jerkoff.
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    Aug 15, 2014 6:11 AM GMT
    Koastal said
    tj85016 saidI'm sure the government has some population goals somewhere based on some half-ass "economic model" written by Harvard jerkoffs like Krugman lol


    WTF?


    if you think population isn't a huge component in US economic policy and forecasting models, you're just clueless