Bryan Higgins, Gay man brutally attacked in San Francisco's Castro District is taken off of life support

  • metta

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    Aug 14, 2014 6:21 AM GMT
    Bryan Higgins, Gay man brutally attacked in San Francisco's Castro District is taken off of life support

    Victim Bryan Higgins was known to friends and family as Feather Lynn

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-man-brutally-attacked-san-franciscos-castro-district-taken-life-support140814
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    Aug 14, 2014 7:45 AM GMT
    We had our own John Doe here in LA, what the hell is going on in this world, I have never seen it this bad icon_twisted.gif
    Is this the result of gentrification, the supposed safe haven of the gayborhoods?
    Serial killer, same MO?


    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/hospital-seeks-help-identifying-critically-injured-john-doe/Content?oid=2871086
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/16/missing-weho-man-found-in-hospital-as-john-doe/


    Bryan Higgins (31) Castro
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:00 AM GMT
    That's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:11 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidWhen I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!


    I have to comment on this, because in the article someone mentioned how homophobes go into the 'ghetto' to beat up gays. I don't know if that's true or not, but I can say this:

    1) This is why I fail to understand why we as gays continue to want to live and play in these crime-infested neighborhoods. It's like in Denver, everyone is all about Capitol Hill...but yet it's a dump, it's seedy and sketchy...and so are the gays who live there. But, gay people are AFRAID to live in the suburbs (It's 2014, not 1974)...but yet when you here shit like this happen, it's a surprise. It shouldn't be. You are living 2 blocks from the hood-est hood of hoods. And if you're drunk and say the wrong thing to the wrong person (not speaking of any of these victims, but some gay men tend to talk too much shit to strangers, and I have to tell so many of my gay friends to shut the fuck up and stop acting tough just because you have a 6'2 Black dude next to you, because I'm not going to be anyone's bodyguard anymore, because it's me who ends up in jail 9 times out of 10), you might get capped.

    2) I didn't care how expensive the homes in Castro/SF are. Being alone, I wanted to park as close to my destination as possible, even if it meant right in front of the bar. Being from Miami, I know nice, expensive cities can be downright deadly if you don't watch your step.
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:12 AM GMT
    2bnaked saidThat's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!



    2 john doe in 2 months? same kind of attack, missing ID, end in hospital on life support, both die, in the CA gayborhoods?
    Who's the next john doe, from SD Hillcrest?


    One more of these in CA and we might have a new serial killer, crack down on this shit?, the world is too busy and occupied, look at all the violence, its almost too much. Your right, why isn't our community up in arms about these recent attacks, I am worried
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    Aug 14, 2014 9:55 AM GMT
    I'm going to say that wider gay society and extremist religion need i2 take 50% (not necessarily 25% each) if there is beginning to be more violence against gay men. I'm going with an assumption that these two were not contributing to making opportunistic violent offenders act out there thoughts. Based on that logic,

    I feel confident that we need to look at the excesses of our culture more broadly and not just in CA as hatred can build from things seen online through social media ect. Please don't take it that I condone extreme violence regardless of any provocation, but those of you who think that the actions of the community as a whole does not effect you, think again it does.

    Regarding movie to the suburbs, I'm pretty sure that assaults have been trending down across the first world where there are "gay villages", no doubt due to reduced numbers making targeted violence more difficult. Much harder in cities where gay men have spread out in all directions
  • Suetonius

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    Aug 14, 2014 2:46 PM GMT
    Disturbing to SF residents - the city becomes a more violent place all the time . The police have said little, so it is not even known if this was a robbery or an anti-gay hate crime. Our police are certainly not among the best at homicide investigations, and apparently there's not a lot to go on in this case, so the culprit may never be caught. SF could solve a lot more murders if they would put CCTV cameras on the streets in high crime areas. The ruling politicians prefer crime to surveillance, so that will never happen. If they catch the guy, he certainly deserves the death penalty. But although the population in the state keeps voting for the death penalty, SF unfortunately elected a bleeding heart for District Attorney, who won't ask for it in any case - even the Boston bombers wouldn't be eligible for it if they did it here.
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    Aug 14, 2014 3:31 PM GMT
    We've seen what seems like an upward trend in NYC too. I have had two different friends attacked (one twice) by random strangers... one tried to confirm they were gay first, the other AFAIK didn't even ask.

    What pissed me off in the first case was that, when the story got written up on a gay blog (joemygod) a lot of the comments were a.) making fun of my friend's weight and b.) criticizing him for not defending his boyfriend. These guys are not ninja fighters, and this took place on a narrow subway platform.

    They were walking one behind the other, trying to put distance from the guy after he verbally accosted them, and he pursued them along the platform. The guy in back turned around and tried to disengaged him and got punched in the face for his trouble. By the time his boyfriend realized he had stopped and turned around, the damage was done and the perp was gone. In the meantime, there were dozens of other people around and nobody said or did anything to help them, at the gayest station in the (second?) gayest city on earth.

    Meantime, lesbians got murdered and tossed behind a dumpster in TX, people's houses get burned down, the suburbs aren't all that safe either.
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    Aug 14, 2014 5:42 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidWe had our own John Doe here in LA, what the hell is going on in this world, I have never seen it this bad icon_twisted.gif
    Is this the result of gentrification, the supposed safe haven of the gayborhoods?
    Serial killer, same MO?


    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/hospital-seeks-help-identifying-critically-injured-john-doe/Content?oid=2871086
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/16/missing-weho-man-found-in-hospital-as-john-doe/


    Bryan Higgins (31) Castro
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    Ramon Estrada (37) WeHo
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    If you were older, you would have seen it this bad before. In fact, you would have seen it far worse.
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    Aug 14, 2014 5:57 PM GMT
    scruffLA said
    2bnaked saidThat's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!



    2 john doe in 2 months? same kind of attack, missing ID, end in hospital on life support, both die, in the CA gayborhoods?
    Who's the next john doe, from SD Hillcrest?


    One more of these in CA and we might have a new serial killer, crack down on this shit?, the world is too busy and occupied, look at all the violence, its almost too much. Your right, why isn't our community up in arms about these recent attacks, I am worried


    You may find these observations interesting.

    When I lived in Minneapolis, I used to run along the River Road for exercise. The road ran along a gay cruising / pick-up area. Once a man walking his dog there was mistakenly thought to be gay and was attacked. He responded by shouting something like this: "What's the matter with you? Are you sick?" When I saw a gay man attacked, he responded by saying something like this: "Oh! Please don't hurt me! Please don't hit me!" See the difference? Gay men often felt that they were bad people, that something was horribly wrong with them, and that the deserved to be punished. That explains the difference in the way the above two responded when attacked. The response of the non-gay man when attacked caused the attacker to leave whereas the response of the gay man when attacked made the attacker disgusted with him and encouraged him to continue the attack.

    This happened in about 1976 and obviously there have been changes since then. Gay men and women are less likely to see themselves as bad people deserving of punishment, but some still have that attitude and act in such a way as to put themselves in danger and encourage attack.

    Obviously I have no way to know the situation preceding the attacks being discussed and what I have written may not be related to those attacks. However, it is something to keep in mind.
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    Aug 14, 2014 6:50 PM GMT
    2bnaked saidThat's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!



    Crack down - like in St. Louis.
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    Aug 14, 2014 6:58 PM GMT
    I will admit, I do enjoy visiting all the Gay cities or gay ghetto's.

    South Beach
    San Francisco
    San Diego
    Seattle
    etc.....

    I have traveled a lot.
    I am content to say I live here....LOL DON'T LAUGH TO HARD!!!

    I live in a city that is rated the #1 in the nation as the most conservative!!!

    I live in MESA ARIZONA.
    Six miles east of ASU
    Fifteen miles east of Downtown PHOENIX.


    I have a deep history here. My family goes back 4 generations
    when my Great Grandfathers moved from Denmark/Holland.

    I love it here. My neighbors all know I am DIFFERENT! Most on my street are MORMONS. My city has more churches than most and they are literally on every corner.

    I might have been bullied from time to time. Called names in the past, but I don't fear for my life. I keep myself below the "gaydar" and I am very cordial and respectable and do kind things that keep them in my corner.

    I have to live here. This is my home. I will assimilate, I will blend, I will still like COCK! LOL

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/05/mesa-arizona-most-conservative-big-city/13641061/
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    Aug 14, 2014 7:01 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    2bnaked saidThat's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!



    Crack down - like in St. Louis.


    If gay people started a riot like the folks in SL they would definitely use chemical warfare and it wouldn't be pepper spray!!!
    YUPPPP
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    If gay people started a riot like the folks in SL they would definitely use chemical warfare and it wouldn't be pepper spray!!!
    YUPPPP
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    If a riot happen in Egypt the police force will use riot army and they will use firearms but I doubt they will use chemical attack. In the United States, "chemical warfare" against gay people rioting is not gonna happen in my opinion.
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:13 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    scruffLA said
    2bnaked saidThat's HORRIBLE!

    I wonder why they don't really crack down on this shit. Do you think it was a homeless? When I was in SF I noticed the great divide of wealth and poor. I mean every home in the city is flawless looking nearly and most are appraised at one million. This might get worse if people don't have each others back!



    2 john doe in 2 months? same kind of attack, missing ID, end in hospital on life support, both die, in the CA gayborhoods?
    Who's the next john doe, from SD Hillcrest?


    One more of these in CA and we might have a new serial killer, crack down on this shit?, the world is too busy and occupied, look at all the violence, its almost too much. Your right, why isn't our community up in arms about these recent attacks, I am worried


    You may find these observations interesting.

    When I lived in Minneapolis, I used to run along the River Road for exercise. The road ran along a gay cruising / pick-up area. Once a man walking his dog there was mistakenly thought to be gay and was attacked. He responded by shouting something like this: "What's the matter with you? Are you sick?" When I saw a gay man attacked, he responded by saying something like this: "Oh! Please don't hurt me! Please don't hit me!" See the difference? Gay men often felt that they were bad people, that something was horribly wrong with them, and that the deserved to be punished. That explains the difference in the way the above two responded when attacked. The response of the non-gay man when attacked caused the attacker to leave whereas the response of the gay man when attacked made the attacker disgusted with him and encouraged him to continue the attack.

    This happened in about 1976 and obviously there have been changes since then. Gay men and women are less likely to see themselves as bad people deserving of punishment, but some still have that attitude and act in such a way as to put themselves in danger and encourage attack.

    Obviously I have no way to know the situation preceding the attacks being discussed and what I have written may not be related to those attacks. However, it is something to keep in mind.


    I think it's less likely now that gay guys would put themselves in harms way but of those that still do I'm willing to bet that most of them are not out/down low. I would never deliberately do that but by being discreet it can easily happen hence why I decided not to be discreet.
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    Aug 14, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
    Although I didn't see anything on the news about him being beaten because he was gay, it's a tragedy anyway. A vibrant young man killed, what was to be gained? Very sad and it hurts a little more when it's right in your own back yard. I know that area well and would never have suspected that something like this would happen there. You just never know and must always be on guard….sad, very very sad.
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    Aug 14, 2014 10:17 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    scruffLA saidWe had our own John Doe here in LA, what the hell is going on in this world, I have never seen it this bad icon_twisted.gif
    Is this the result of gentrification, the supposed safe haven of the gayborhoods?
    Serial killer, same MO?


    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/hospital-seeks-help-identifying-critically-injured-john-doe/Content?oid=2871086
    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/16/missing-weho-man-found-in-hospital-as-john-doe/


    Bryan Higgins (31) Castro
    John_Doe_new.jpg


    Ramon Estrada (37) WeHo
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    If you were older, you would have seen it this bad before. In fact, you would have seen it far worse.




    I am old enough to remember the 80's (the decade you went back into the closet and or died of Aids) I would expect this in the oh so ever unfriendly South or Midwest, but not in our own back yard. It took authorities 13 years to find and stop Jeffrey Dahmer. Every serial killer leaves a 'calling card' and a pattern to which they murder. I am just stating the obvious at this point, a pattern is developing
  • Jonny21

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    Aug 15, 2014 7:47 AM GMT
    This is so sad. Whether this attack was motivated by hate or anything else. Why must be do such things.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Aug 15, 2014 11:15 AM GMT
    Very disheartening.