Our streets- a war zone?

  • tazzari

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    Aug 15, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
    The picture that goes with this NYT article is very frightening. Do we need - or want - our police aremd like this?


    Yes, the shootings and the idiotic looting are shameful and terrible - but are we handling the growing unrest and inequality in our country constructively?

    I see very little money aimed at prevention, very little thought as to the causes of unrest. Are we really headed for this sort of Banana Republic war on the streets?

    And can we keep this from becoming a partisan discussion?
  • jaroslav123

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    Aug 16, 2014 12:04 AM GMT
    Reminds me of the fact that in the UK, where I live, they're contemplating using the water cannon because of the London riots. I'm deeply worried by this. I just know it's going to be used on an innocent and maim or kill them.
  • tazzari

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    Aug 16, 2014 12:27 AM GMT
    It all sounds a bit like August of 1914 - building up more and more armaments, rather than looking for solutions to problems before they become acute.

    In response to Pazzy - it does depend on where you live. In my hometown, the police are friendly, efficient and very professional. Your post really doesn't address my questions, though, which were how we can change this trend.
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    Aug 16, 2014 1:36 AM GMT
    Simple answer: Yes, we do want them armed like that..


    However, the Ferguson situation is a clusterfuck of poor leadership, lack of community policing, and bored cops itching to use their shiny new toys.

    This issue isn't so cut and dry. Law enforcement should be prepared for whatever situation that they have to deal with. But they should also use good judgement and NOT enter every situation cocked and locked.

    Now that they released the name of the cop that shot the kid, his life is pretty much over. He should just move to another country.
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    Aug 18, 2014 4:04 AM GMT
    pazzy saidyeah, wait til you get on their bad side. they'll be efficient all right. you can forget the friendly and professionalism. don't trust the cops. not saying to be on some crazy shit like doing a car chase when the cops pull you over.

    my other post was basically saying that it starts from the academy and the people that teach the cops how to be the cops. the cops basically separate themselves from the community.

    question. do you know any police officers of your town that patrol your area by name, do you see any of them walking around and talking with residents or do you only see them when people call them? the cops are NOT proactive or apart of the community. they act more like a fraternity or a gang so of course, people are going to feel a certain way about the cops.

    i live in the burbs and the police are NOT apart of the community. they roll like a gang. the problem started WAY before the civil unrest. they act like they're going to war even BEFORE situations like this arise. the nice guy they do is just a front.

    It's simple. DON'T get on their bad side. Treat them how you want to be treated. Be mature, be level headed. It's like interacting with anyone. Don't be hostile, because it will trigger a defensive reaction.

    If cops are bad in your area, then blame their leadership. Instead of taking on the "fuck da police" attitude, you should complain to the police chief and the mayor.

    It just shocks me that you actually wanted to be a cop. You seem to have the wrong mindset for something like that.
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    Aug 18, 2014 4:26 AM GMT
    Is Mr. Tazzari aware that Federal agencies have been stockpiling billions of rounds of ammunition during the Obama administration? Something unheard of in previous years. Do your own research and then maybe you too will ask, why are these Federal agencies buying massive quantities of ammunition?

    Here's just a few examples from various sources:

    In August 2012, Business Insider reported the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) was requesting 46,000 rounds of "mostly hollow-point" ammunition for agents operating under its auspices.

    A large portion of the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) "1.6 billion round stockpile" of ammunition was 9mm--a very common civilian round. At the time of our reporting, DHS was adding 20 million more rounds.

    The Department of Agriculture requested 320,000 rounds, and the "FBI separately sought 100 million hollow-point rounds" along the way as well.

    The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."