What are the chances of infection...

  • Eli_jah

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    Aug 17, 2014 6:43 PM GMT
    if one has unprotected sex (as the insertive partner) with an HIV+ but undetectable partner?
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    Aug 17, 2014 8:47 PM GMT
    Dopeamine saidif one has unprotected sex (as the insertive partner) with an HIV+ but undetectable partner?


    Between 0 and 4% (thought to be closer to zero)
    See HIV Partners Study

    Zero HIV Infections Seen Through Condomless Sex When HIV-Positive Partner Is on Effective Treatment

    http://www.thebodypro.com/content/73978/zero-hiv-infections-seen-through-condomless-sex-wh.html
  • Eli_jah

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    Aug 17, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    Dopeamine saidif one has unprotected sex (as the insertive partner) with an HIV+ but undetectable partner?


    Between 0 and 4% (thought to be closer to zero)
    See HIV Partners Study

    Zero HIV Infections Seen Through Condomless Sex When HIV-Positive Partner Is on Effective Treatment

    http://www.thebodypro.com/content/73978/zero-hiv-infections-seen-through-condomless-sex-wh.html


    Thanks. I couldn't nail down an actual number.
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    Aug 18, 2014 11:15 PM GMT
    It's probably safer than someone who claims to be negative.
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    Aug 19, 2014 8:38 AM GMT
    The chances are high enough that you will be infected if you bareback him more than 100 times.
  • Rhi_Bran

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    Sep 06, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    Dopeamine saidif one has unprotected sex (as the insertive partner) with an HIV+ but undetectable partner?


    The reason HIV is hard to transmit to a top via a positive bottom is because there little to no fluid exchange to the top. Unless you're going at it extremely rough, develop an abrasion on your penis, and somecrazyhow the bottom gets an anal tear large enough that it bleeds, it can't happen.
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    Sep 06, 2014 10:53 PM GMT
    Rhi_Bran said
    Dopeamine saidif one has unprotected sex (as the insertive partner) with an HIV+ but undetectable partner?


    The reason HIV is hard to transmit to a top via a positive bottom is because there little to no fluid exchange to the top. Unless you're going at it extremely rough, develop an abrasion on your penis, and somecrazyhow the bottom gets an anal tear large enough that it bleeds, it can't happen.


    That's bad information. Many times a top has gotten HIV from a bottom. Not as likely but certainly possible.

    "It’s technically less likely to be infected as the top than the bottom, although the risk isn’t eliminated. According to a study in Australia, around 1 in 5 men who recently contracted HIV were tops. In a research study published in 2007, among a sample size of 102 gay and bi men who were recently diagnosed HIV-positive, 10 of them were infected despite ‘strategic positioning’."


    https://www.projecthim.org/guys-on-top-dont-get-hiv-right/

    You dismiss accurate Undetectable information, but back a Neg Top's ‘strategic positioning' as logical?


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    Sep 07, 2014 5:23 AM GMT
    There is a chance.

    Just use a condom. Is it that big a deal?
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    Sep 07, 2014 1:30 PM GMT
    Wasn't the partners study done in straight couples?
    Applying its results to gays is problematic.
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    Sep 07, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidWasn't the partners study done in straight couples?
    Applying its results to gays is problematic.


    It isn't hard to find, Google "HIV Partner's Study" and you would have found your answer in seconds, rather than post inaccurate information.

    The Swiss Study was straight. The Partner's Study was mixed. And there was anal sex from both straight and gay.