Couple On Trial For Murder Of 8 Year Old Called Him Gay, Tortured Him 'More Severely Than Many POWs'

  • metta

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    Aug 20, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
    Couple On Trial For Murder Of 8 Year Old Called Him Gay, Tortured Him 'More Severely Than Many POWs'

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    Pearl Fernandez, 30, and her boyfriend Isauro Aguirre, 34, are on trial in Los Angeles for the murder of her 8-year old son, Gabriel Hernandez. The details of the case are horrific, as are the accusations that young Gabriel "fell through the cracks" after case workers ignored clear warning signs, including a suicide note he had penned.

    "For eight straight months," Deputy District Attorney Jonathan Hatami told a grand jury this week, Gabriel "was abused, beaten and tortured more severely than many prisoners of war."

    more terrible details here....
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/couple_on_trial_for_murder_of_8_year_old_they_called_gay_tortured_him_more_severely_than_many_pows


    RIP Gabriel
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    Aug 20, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    Death sentence to both. Case workers should not get off easy, either. If an engineer fucks a bridge up and people die, he will be in trouble. Same concept.
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    Aug 20, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    Hopefully they'll get life without parole. Then they'll be dead in a few weeks or less.
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    Aug 26, 2014 5:28 AM GMT
    Skin these fuckers alive.
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    Aug 26, 2014 1:27 PM GMT
    That was tough read. It would be hard to imagine a worse story.

    Sweetooth said...Case workers should not get off easy, either. If an engineer fucks a bridge up and people die, he will be in trouble. Same concept.


    Child protection services can have a huge burn-out rate. Just imagine being that caseworker with whatever resources are allotted and dealing with that level of humanity on a daily basis. I don't know if I could do it. It's not quite building a bridge; it's catching people being tossed off.

    The closer analogy might be working in an emergency room--where people also die--but even there would be greater resources, more control over the patient, definite science, etc. Where a doctor might be able to control bleeding, a social worker might not.

    https://www.childwelfare.gov/management/workforce/retention/turnover.cfm
    Turnover of frontline workers, as well as supervisory and management staff, is a major concern in many child welfare agencies. In some jurisdictions, worker turnover is as high as 90 percent per year, while in others, turnover is fairly minimal.
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    Aug 26, 2014 2:23 PM GMT
    theantijock saidThat was tough read. It would be hard to imagine a worse story.

    Sweetooth said...Case workers should not get off easy, either. If an engineer fucks a bridge up and people die, he will be in trouble. Same concept.


    Child protection services can have a huge burn-out rate. Just imagine being that caseworker with whatever resources are allotted and dealing with that level of humanity on a daily basis. I don't know if I could do it. It's not quite building a bridge; it's catching people being tossed off.

    The closer analogy might be working in an emergency room--where people also die--but even there would be greater resources, more control over the patient, definite science, etc. Where a doctor might be able to control bleeding, a social worker might not.

    https://www.childwelfare.gov/management/workforce/retention/turnover.cfm
    Turnover of frontline workers, as well as supervisory and management staff, is a major concern in many child welfare agencies. In some jurisdictions, worker turnover is as high as 90 percent per year, while in others, turnover is fairly minimal.


    Right, don't do a job if you can't handle it properly. Take the proper time off, and allot your time correctly. No excuses. Catching people being tossed off, or having the whole bridge collapse, and 100 people die, same thing.
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    Aug 26, 2014 4:04 PM GMT
    Sweetooth said...No excuses. Catching people being tossed off, or having the whole bridge collapse, and 100 people die, same thing.


    I made no excuses and certainly it needs to be investigated (understatement). Could have been anything from stress related, tremendous caseloads, could even have been the homophobia of an anti-gay social worker. Any of that needs to be discovered and dealt with.

    But engineers don't do bridge design under duress, and they've the time to recheck their work, whereas clients of social work come into the system at times of trauma. And that's why the liability would be more akin to working an emergency room than a cubical. EMTs, emergency room healthcare providers, social workers, rescue workers, these types of work involve people who save lives so that to me indicates a different standard than an engineer who "merely" needs to not take lives, as equally important as that is but not as frantic an occupation.
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    Aug 26, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    I am horrified reading this piece of news.
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    Aug 26, 2014 7:08 PM GMT
    These creatures deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered. With me there to roast marshmallows over their burning intestines while they watch.
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    Aug 26, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    I'm not one to believe in god, but if you are out there please watch this boy, and take care of him in your loving hands.
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    Aug 26, 2014 8:14 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    Sweetooth said...No excuses. Catching people being tossed off, or having the whole bridge collapse, and 100 people die, same thing.


    I made no excuses and certainly it needs to be investigated (understatement). Could have been anything from stress related, tremendous caseloads, could even have been the homophobia of an anti-gay social worker. Any of that needs to be discovered and dealt with.

    But engineers don't do bridge design under duress, and they've the time to recheck their work, whereas clients of social work come into the system at times of trauma. And that's why the liability would be more akin to working an emergency room than a cubical. EMTs, emergency room healthcare providers, social workers, rescue workers, these types of work involve people who save lives so that to me indicates a different standard than an engineer who "merely" needs to not take lives, as equally important as that is but not as frantic an occupation.


    Most engineers do not work in a cubicle, and an engineer fucking up can more than just take lives (Bhopal, Chernobyl etc).
    They said he was tortured akin to a POW. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you're not cut out to be an ER doc, don't be one.
    There are absolutely no excuses. You can't handle the job, don't do it. Laws need to be changed, that's for sure.
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    Aug 26, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
    Sweetooth said

    Most engineers do not work in a cubicle, and an engineer fucking up can more than just take lives (Bhopal, Chernobyl etc).
    They said he was tortured akin to a POW. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you're not cut out to be an ER doc, don't be one.
    There are absolutely no excuses. You can't handle the job, don't do it. Laws need to be changed, that's for sure.


    Of course there can be major engineering fuckups that cost lots of lives.

    I'm just saying that I'd discern at least enough difference to not immediately cast a judgment.

    If a fire fighter saves four lives but one guy who he might have attempted to rescue dies, we don't immediately judge that he was entirely at fault for that death.
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    Aug 26, 2014 10:59 PM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    Varus saidI'm not one to believe in god, but if you are out there please watch this boy, and take care of him in your loving hands.

    If you dont believe in God DO NOT ask him any favors
    why not? He doesn't even grant them to believers. Maybe nonbelievers will have better luck.
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    Aug 27, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    Sweetooth said

    Most engineers do not work in a cubicle, and an engineer fucking up can more than just take lives (Bhopal, Chernobyl etc).
    They said he was tortured akin to a POW. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you're not cut out to be an ER doc, don't be one.
    There are absolutely no excuses. You can't handle the job, don't do it. Laws need to be changed, that's for sure.


    Of course there can be major engineering fuckups that cost lots of lives.

    I'm just saying that I'd discern at least enough difference to not immediately cast a judgment.

    If a fire fighter saves four lives but one guy who he might have attempted to rescue dies, we don't immediately judge that he was entirely at fault for that death.


    I agree with this.
  • metta

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    Oct 29, 2014 8:44 PM GMT
    Couple Who Tortured 'Gay' Toddler to Death Get Plea Deal


    Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2014/10/couple_who_tortured_gay_toddler_to_death_get_plea.php
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 29, 2014 9:06 PM GMT
    Is there a word for when you want to cry and throw up at the same time?

    If there was ever anyone who actually deserved the death penalty it's these two.

    I hope they enjoy their three squares a day.icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 29, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    I'm not okay with state sanctioned killing when not in self defense so I'm okay with this plea. Life without parole seems appropriate to the crime. That poor kid. What a horror story.
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    Oct 30, 2014 12:23 AM GMT
    HottJoe saidIs there a word for when you want to cry and throw up at the same time?

    If there was ever anyone who actually deserved the death penalty it's these two.

    I hope they enjoy their three squares a day.icon_confused.gif
    For someone who does not believe in an afterlife, the death penalty seems much nicer than life without parole.

    I'm glad they got life. Hopefully they'll be emotionally and physically tortured for several decades to come...basically "hell on earth" so to speak.
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    Oct 30, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    MY GOD!! That poor baby!!! icon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif

    I legit would've adopted him...
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    Oct 30, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    Tears of deep sadness are always in my eyes when I hear of horrific stories like these.

    I could NEVER imagine in a million years hurting any one of my three darling children.

    Awhile back, in all the drama and mess of things, I had to fight!

    I fought hard and won.

    I won in the fact that I proved to my community and I will soon prove to the world that as a man, a single parent, a Father who is different, can still be the ultimate, kind-hearted person that it takes to have children.

    MOST of the straight parents out there who abuse their own flesh and blood should be put to death. [PERIOD]
  • metta

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    Nov 03, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
    Boyfriend May Not Take Plea Deal in Child Murder Case



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